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Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower

Threegoofs said:
Then why do Trumps people keep lying about it?
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How does that show it's not made up gibberish? You guys don't have any evidence to support your case and that is all that matters. The case made by the left on the Russians is nothing but a bunch of drama and misunderstandings on their part. It's why they spent all that time and energy claiming silliness like Flynn broke the Logan act when he in fact did nothing illegal.
 
haymarket said:
How so? Is it your contention that professional spies only do partisan bidding?
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Not currently. But it is a dangerous direction were it to happen.
 
randel said:
strike 3!!!! yer outta there!!! next batter please
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Hardly. How about you present a piece of evidence the left has presented that hasn't been shown to be baseless.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Funny how during the general election the Trumpsters didn't care who was leaking the confidencial, private info, they only cared about what was leaked and if those leaks made Clinton look bad.

Now they don't care about what's being leaked and if these leaks make Trump look bad, they only care about who's doing the leaking. lol

My, my how things have changed. What goes around comes around.
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And in the category of very funny, every funny from your side must have at least an equal opposite funny reaction. In funny that your side was focused on where the leaks came from then AND NOT the content of the leaks. Funny. Yes, what goes around does, and what goes up, giving Karma both middle fingers on the way up, way before ever reaching zenith, almost always gives Karma a chance to bite their ass on the way back down.

Yehhhh for karma.

Funny, huh? Funny is we know that Hill is guilty in various and sundry illegalities. Also funny is that it has only been alleged with Trump. Not a single shred of verifiable evidence has yet to surface. We also have some ideological holdovers, we saw the one at the top of the Justice dept, from the O bomb admin that are randomly exploding on the shelf, apparently far past their should dump by date.

Ends justify... the left. At least to the left themselves.
 
Fletch said:
Not currently. But it is a dangerous direction were it to happen.
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I agree that a spy agency should not be only partisan and used for that purpose. Which is why the letter from Comey needs to be thoroughly investigated for violations of the Hatch Act or any other internal protocols.
 
haymarket said:
You do realize that if this is true - there are legal procedures and probably cause thresholds that must be met in front of a court?
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So be it. Let's see if he's got it.
 
It's now proven beyond all doubt, Trump really can't say anything, no matter how crazy, that his supporters won't attempt to back up.
 
Mac77 said:
If its true the is beginning of the end of our republic

Nothing brings us closer to dictatorship than one political party using its police power to spy on the opposition party
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And when Trump does it, you'll be leading the cheering section.
 
haymarket said:
His fingers have been busy this morning tweeting accusations that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower before he became our official president.

Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower | TheHill



One thing to consider: if this is true - and it was done legally - there just may be recordings of talks between Trump, Trump campaign officials and the Russians. This has potential to be the equal to the White House taping system in Watergate which ultimately brought Nixon down and forced his resignation.

more to come but this is HUGE!!!!
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If it's true, then my impression of the number of Obama operatives who will likely be sentenced to long jail terms is growing.

I wonder who the Obama gang joined forces with to fund their illegal activities? Was it domestic terrorists, or was it a foreign country?

After all, nobody puts their life at risk to reveal extremely secret recordings and capabilities without some type of compensation. Iran maybe? Perhaps China? Both are connected to Obama via donations or favorable treatment.
 
haymarket said:
And what if this was done 100% legally because there was probably cause to believe that Trump was colluding with a foreign enemy to hijack our election?
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Wow! As I understand it, the alleged Russian meddling in our election rests entirely on the release of John Podesta's personal communications with Hillary's campaign. And you consider this interception of personal communication wrong, presumably. But you consider the recording and potential release of Trump's communications to be a great potential victory for the forces of good in society. Is that basically it?
Do you understand how your logic here could be extremely detrimental to having a functioning democracy? You seem to be saying that in 4 years it would be OK for the Trump government to tap into opposition operations in order to remain in power or support a favored politicians. Having another country eavesdropping is no better than having our own government eavesdrop of political opponents. In fact it is worse because we should not be having servers off site, passing classified documents, and other poor procedures anyway. But we should expect our own government to follow the law.

It is reprehensible for the government to be wiretapping people without a warrant. If some sort of mega data is being collected it is reprehensible to use that data without proper judicial oversight. It is incumbent on everyone to secure their data so that others can not collect it, as far as is possible.

Liberalism seems to be dying and it seems to be dying in large measure due to self-described "liberals".
 
MaggieD said:
You are assuming Donalt Trump made incriminating and illegal phone calls. Why on EARTH is not your first question, "Who would have done this?"
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Why isn't your first question, "Did this actually happen? Or is it a made accusation?"

MaggieD said:
One thing you're right about... this is HUGE.
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If it actually happened.

Otherwise it's just another bit of bluster.
 
Henrin said:
How does that show it's not made up gibberish? You guys don't have any evidence to support your case and that is all that matters. The case made by the left on the Russians is nothing but a bunch of drama and misunderstandings on their part. It's why they spent all that time and energy claiming silliness like Flynn broke the Logan act when he in fact did nothing illegal.
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He just lied and was forced to resign.

No big deal.

Funny, too, how it looks like some Trump people changed the GOP plank on Ukraine at the Convention, too.
 
MaggieD said:
Then there is a warrant.
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Not necessarily.

Iirc, the Patriot Act has a number of loopholes with the FISA courts.
You know, to keep us safe.
Thanks Bush Era!
 
haymarket said:
His fingers have been busy this morning tweeting accusations that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower before he became our official president.

Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping Trump Tower | TheHill



One thing to consider: if this is true - and it was done legally - there just may be recordings of talks between Trump, Trump campaign officials and the Russians. This has potential to be the equal to the White House taping system in Watergate which ultimately brought Nixon down and forced his resignation.

more to come but this is HUGE!!!!
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Well, since there was illegal contact with foreign governments coming out of the Trump Tower, Obama had the right idea to wire tap the treasonous bastards.
 
Threegoofs said:
He just lied and was forced to resign.

No big deal.
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So? He lied to Pence. How does that prove your point?

Funny, too, how it looks like some Trump people changed the GOP plank on Ukraine at the Convention, too.
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And?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
No investigation could be considered full and complete unless it reveals who tapped Flynn and who released the tape of the call. If this is what you're talking about then I'm all for it.
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Was Flynn's phone tapped, or the foreigners phone tapped?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Not necessarily.

Iirc, the Patriot Act has a number of loopholes with the FISA courts.
You know, to keep us safe.
Thanks Bush Era!
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...and Obama era.
 
https://youtu.be/rMmiLWDpCno

Trump bragged about the loyalty of his voters. He has the constant nagging problem dealing with those of us who do not support him. I do not expect Trump to complete his term. In time we get to find out.
 
Anyone surprised?
Not me.
It had to be something coming from what was the top.
I told you so.

02-17-17, 10:17 AM
bubbabgone said:
It's pretty easy to explain.
The leaks are real but since no one has even seen the transcripts, any media story wrapped around them is fake news planted with friendly news outlets by questionable sources like, say, Brennan and Rhodes.

What we appear to have is a leak of classified information by those who are familiar with it enough to suggest to the media what they want the story to say.
Perhaps if that classified information and the sources ever get exposed it could lead to serious problems for others but right now all we know is that there have been leaks and the leaking could be criminal.

See? Wasn't that easy?
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And now we know who those others are, how the information came to be, and where the leaks came from.


03-02-17, 09:03 AM
bubbabgone said:
I'm all for a Special Investigation.
I'm assuming they'd look at the Obama Administration pre and post election activities (you know, the security leaks to the media and some in Congress) as well as whether Trump, Flynn, Sessions were bad boys (which apparently was the whole point of the outgoing Admin's activities ... at least according to the NYT).
So yeah ... bring it on ... but look at the whole thing.
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Looks like the Obama Admin was naughty and got caught.

Now I expect the excuse will be that it was the Admin's duty to investigate the Russian meddling in the election so they finally got FISA to grant wiretaps on Hillary's opponent.
Doesn't explain or excuse the leaks to the media and Congress ... even though they showed nothing but innuendos.


AND ... given Hillary and Bill's relationships with Russia and Vlad you'd have expected they'd be surveilled <sic> also. Were they?

Sure looks like the strategy is coming apart and it's gonna leave a lot of marks.
 
Henrin said:
There is nothing behind the Russian nonsense. The left made it up as a way to get attention off themselves and as a tool to attack Trump with.
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That's my first inclination a well.

However, the non-factual statements from the WH are eroding my confidence that the whole thing is nonsense.
Whether they are or not, the WH are acting as though they are guilty.

They're acting a like a cheating girlfriend who has been accused of cheating.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
https://youtu.be/rMmiLWDpCno

Trump bragged about the loyalty of his voters. He has the constant nagging problem dealing with those of us who do not support him. I do not expect Trump to complete his term. In time we get to find out.
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Since we're all throwing out predictions, I predict President Trump will not only complete his term, but he will be elected to a 2nd.

What I also predict is the extreme alt-left progressive/fascist ideologues who have come to dominate the left will be sent packing over the next 4 years, with no chance of regaining prominence for at least 3-4 generations.

I don't think the American public will be accepting of any agenda that supports the infiltration of the government by protected deep cover operatives who are willing to put American lives at risk in order to push a ideological objective.
 
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