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Mike Pence used an AOL e-mail account for state business and it got hacked

jmotivator said:
Can you name any state business that would qualify as national secrets? No?

Did Pence provide his AOL emails of state business for state archiving? Yes.

Have a nice day.
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1. State dealings with defense contractors in their state certainly could. But that's beside the point. The state declined to make available a number of hacked emails because they were sensitive. So while they may not have dealt specifically with sensitive matters of interest to the federal government they probably dealt with sensitive matters of interest to Indiana.

2. It's not clear that simply supplying them at the end of his term actually complies with the law.
 
jmotivator said:
Can you name any state business that would qualify as national secrets? No?

Did Pence provide his AOL emails of state business for state archiving? Yes.

Have a nice day.
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Homeland security works with state agencies all the time.

How do you know that Pence provided the state with all of his AOL emails related to state business? There is no way of verifying it because its up to him whether he forwarded them on or not.
 
joG said:
Right. The hypocrisy is incredible. Acting as though the laws, regulations and reasons surrounding confidentiality of the SoS of a great power and a provincial State Government were or even should be in any way similar. How unbelievable can you get.
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Are you so naive as to think that the state never has any dealings with Homeland Security?

Moreover, at least in Hillary's case it was a private email server, not a public one. Why do you think Hillary used a private email server? That was to avoid potential oversight of all of her communications? Why do you think Pence would use an insecure AOL address for email for state business? It is for the same reason. It is also the same reason the Bush Administration "lost" millions of emails. They do this to weasel out of potential oversight.
 
AlbqOwl said:
In all due respect, I fairly frequently receive e-mail from people who didn't send that e-mail. It does not mean that the person's e-mail account was hacked. It just means somebody somewhere got hacked along with their address book that contained addresses, including my friend or relative, or they intercepted an e-mail that had been forwarded, probably a gazillion times, picking up more e-mail addresses as it went, and all those addresses the e-mail was forwarded to show up on the e-mail itself.

It happens on Facebook too. Some scumbag accesses your name and photo on somebody's unsecure account, creates a false account using your identity, and starts posting or sending friend requests using it. We've all caught onto that now though, report these phony accounts, and Facebook has been really good at deleting them.
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Yes its called spoofing. I work in IT, I see it all the time. It's typically used in phishing. However, that is not what happened here. His AOL email was actually compromised. Moreover, I would never allow anyone in our organization to conduct any company business via an AOL account as they were compromised years ago.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes its called spoofing. I work in IT, I see it all the time. It's typically used in phishing. However, that is not what happened here. His AOL email was actually compromised. Moreover, I would never allow anyone in our organization to conduct any company business via an AOL account as they were compromised years ago.
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And so has pretty much everybody else who offers e-mail services. I feel much safer on my AOL service than I do with my Comcast or g-mail accounts. Even the federal government has been hacked or compromised from time to time either by very clever hackers or by compromised passwords or whatever. That is why some sensitive information should never be transmitted by e-mail IMO.
 
Gaius46 said:
1. State dealings with defense contractors in their state certainly could. But that's beside the point. The state declined to make available a number of hacked emails because they were sensitive. So while they may not have dealt specifically with sensitive matters of interest to the federal government they probably dealt with sensitive matters of interest to Indiana.
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Not really, though a state Governor my be granted access to cleared material on a need to know basis without a clearance, but that information would not be distributed via email.

2. It's not clear that simply supplying them at the end of his term actually complies with the law.
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The state seemed to think so.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I think the biggest question here is who the **** still uses AOL?
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Maybe he still has AOL from the 90's. Have you ever tried to leave AOL? It's harder than quitting the mafia.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Homeland security works with state agencies all the time.
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The information is rarely classified as everyone bellow the governor would require a clearance, and he couldn't legally transmit the information on his state email account any more than he could transmit it on his private AOL email account.

How do you know that Pence provided the state with all of his AOL emails related to state business? There is no way of verifying it because its up to him whether he forwarded them on or not.
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Because the state seems to think so. If Pence torches some AOL servers following a state FOIA request we can start to talk about what Pence might be hiding.

You Democrats have a hard time comprehending the difference between state and local government business and matters of national security, don't you?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
People like Mike Pence obviously. When I picture someone still using AOL, someone like Mike Pence is exactly who I would picture.
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"Pres. Trump is using modern communication methods!! HANG HIM!!!!"
"Vice Pres. Pence isn't using modern communications methods!!! HANG HIM!!"

That's how you sound....
 
jmotivator said:
Not really, though a state Governor my be granted access to cleared material on a need to know basis without a clearance, but that information would not be distributed via email.



The state seemed to think so.
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The governor's office seemed to think so. If I'm not mistaken they made that comment.

And again the state declined to make available some of the hacked email because they were sensitive. So keeping them on an unsecured server, while not illegal, was ill advised at best.
 
ludin said:
wow way to ignore the entire argument that makes your complaint null and void.
there is no IN state law that says he can't use a private email account.

proven.

2 all records that were used were turned over to the state.

so he compiled with all state laws.

No it is fine because he followed state laws.

Clinton on the other hand did not follow federal law regarding classified data or an Obama EO about email usuage or the state department itself.
you are comparing apples and oranges.

you have no complain another faux outrage proven false by facts.
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This isn't about facts, it's about hate. Pure unadulterated, partisan, near psychopathic hate.
 
Gaius46 said:
Maybe. Maybe not. It's not clear to me that simply turning over emails, emails which may have been written 4 years earlier, at the end of his term actually meets the requirements of the law since those emails would not be available to the state, nor secured by whatever means the state decided is sufficient, for the time they existed only in AOL.

Further while there may be no legal requirement the fact that the state of Indiana refused to release some of the emails stating that they were too sensitive clearly indicates that having them on a non secured server was a dumb ass idea. Legal but still dumb ass.
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The argument isn't whether or not it is stupid.

the argument is whether or not he did something that violated the law.
the answer is no.

the difference between him and Hillary is that Hillary broke the law and several in fact.

Pence did not.

therefore the complaint is just more faux outrage.
 
Mr Person said:
"Now come revelations that Pence routinely used a private AOL account to conduct government business while he was governor of Indiana and that the account was hacked last summer, just months before he turned the heat on his Democratic rival over her personal e-mail server. Use of the AOL account for state business came to light in a 2,100-word article published Thursday evening by The IndyStar. The news outlet based its report on e-mails it received under a public records request. State officials declined to release an unspecified number of e-mails because the state considers them confidential and too sensitive to release to the public. Pence used the account starting in the mid 1990s and continued using it until it was hijacked in 2016, three years into Pence's four-year tenure as governor, the news outlet reported. The hackers who compromised the account used it to send a scam e-mail to Pence's contacts, falsely claiming that the governor and his wife were stranded in the Philippines and in urgent need of financial assistance. Pence then abandoned that account and opened a new AOL account."



I guess all the self-righteous fury aimed at Hillary over her email server was projection. Figures.
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Hillary committed a crime, Pence didn't. But don't let those silly facts get in the way of perfectly good spittle spew....
 
faithful_servant said:
This isn't about facts, it's about hate. Pure unadulterated, partisan, near psychopathic hate.
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we have surprassed 3 mile island meltdown and are at fukushima level. Chernobyl is next.
 
Mr Person said:

I guess all the self-righteous fury aimed at Hillary over her email server was projection. Figures.
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IN allows him to use a private email server. The state is satisfied that he turned over the emails to them.
There is no law in IN that prevents him from using a private email server.

there are a ton of laws that prevents Hillary from using it there are also laws that prevent her from sending classified data over it as well.

the 2 situations are not even close to the same.
but I don't expect you are the OP to grasp that concept.

faux outrage is faux outrage.
 
Gaius46 said:
The governor's office seemed to think so. If I'm not mistaken they made that comment.

And again the state declined to make available some of the hacked email because they were sensitive. So keeping them on an unsecured server, while not illegal, was ill advised at best.
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State sensitive and federally sensitive aren't the same thing. They would need to be more clear.
 
ludin said:
The argument isn't whether or not it is stupid.

the argument is whether or not he did something that violated the law.
the answer is no.

the difference between him and Hillary is that Hillary broke the law and several in fact.

Pence did not.

therefore the complaint is just more faux outrage.
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Well to split hairs Hillary didn't break the law. She was accused but not even tried, let alone convicted.

And it really isn't a matter of breaking the law. Even if Hillary didn't break the law it was a stupid thing to do. It was similarly stupid of Pence and quite honestly stupid on the part of the states that allow their employees to conduct sensitive business using private email accounts.
 
The Republicans have always had more in common with their Democratic analogues than they'd like to admit.
 
Gaius46 said:
Well to split hairs Hillary didn't break the law. She was accused but not even tried, let alone convicted.

And it really isn't a matter of breaking the law. Even if Hillary didn't break the law it was a stupid thing to do. It was similarly stupid of Pence and quite honestly stupid on the part of the states that allow their employees to conduct sensitive business using private email accounts.
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actually she did break the law it was obvious but I am not going to get into a tit for tat.

again that isn't the argument.
 
Wow, AOL, that reminds me of Weird Al's song All about the pentiums LOL LOL LOL

Also, not that smart after the barrage against Hillary for a lot of the same issues (not being safety conscious enough).
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
The Republicans have always had more in common with their Democratic analogues than they'd like to admit.
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I've never been able to distinguish between the two parties. They squabble about minutia. They all still want they same things.
 
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