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Slain SEAL’s dad wants answers: ‘Don’t hide behind my son’s death’

ludin said:
There is nothing there that would warrant an investigation
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White House leak allegedly reveals how staff manipulated Trump to get him to approve failed Yemen raid

The one way a White House staffer can get President Donald Trump to do what they want is by telling him that President Barack Obama would never have done it, a new report reveals.

According to the Independent, an anonymous staffer leaked that the way military leaders were able to urge Trump to act on the failed Yemen raid was by telling him Obama didn’t want to do it.

General James “Mad Dog” Mattis, and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joseph Dunford, were reportedly able to persuade Trump to move forward by claiming Obama would never have been so bold to actually go through with it.

The military action was in the works for months prior to Trump taking over but Obama advisors didn’t want to do the raid until it was a moonless night.

Still, the raid was a failure in that it killed 30 civilians, one U.S. Navy Seal and failed to meet the action’s objective, which was to kill its alleged target, al Qaeda leader Qassim al Rimi.
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Captain Adverse said:
There need be none IMO.

Service members die in combat. It's not like TV or Movies where the "good guys" always kill all the bad guys and then go home with a couple of scratches and a new war story to tell.

The mission was presented to the prior Administration, and by all reports was only delayed until the next "blackout" New Moon for maximum operational concealment which would occur during the new Administration.

I am not surprised that a grieving father would want to know what happened.

I am surprised that anyone would automatically assume the "failure" was somehow the fault of a new President who was listening to the expert advice of those who had planned the operation.

I've said it before and will say it again; no plan survives contact with the enemy and sometimes, despite the best training and planning....S**t happens.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eight-year-old-american-girl-killed-al-awlaki

President Donald Trump personally approved a US commando raid in Yemen that left one elite serviceman dead and may have killed an eight-year-old American girl, the US military has told the Guardian.

At least 14 people died in Sunday’s raid by the elite Joint Special Operations Command, which was the subject of a preliminary inquiry to determine if allegations of civilian deaths were sufficiently credible to merit a full investigation.

On Wednesday night, US central command said in a statement that the team conducting the inquiry had already confirmed that civilians were “likely killed” in the raid and that “casualties may include children”. It is continuing to look into whether there “were any still-undetected civilian casualties”.
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If this is what they call a success, I would hate to see a failure.
 
Captain Adverse said:
...as only delayed until the next "blackout" New Moon for maximum operational concealment which would occur during the new Administration.

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Bull.

WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump’s first overseas operation as commander in chief, a botched raid that led to the death of an American serviceman and significant civilian casualties, was never approved by former President Barack Obama before he left office, two top former national security officials said on Thursday.

The comments from Colin Kahl, the national security adviser to former Vice President Joe Biden, and Ned Price, a former White House spokesman, came after White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer tried to deflect blame by saying Obama’s team had approved the plan.

The attack involved several dozen U.S. commandos belonging to the Navy’s SEAL Team 6 storming the stronghold of an al Qaeda leader in central Yemen early Sunday morning, according to reports in Reuters and the New York Times. With the complex better fortified than expected, the Americans and allied troops from the United Arab Emirates were soon engaged in a firefight and forced to call in air support. Ultimately, Chief Special Warfare Operator William “Ryan” Owens and scores of Yemenis were killed, two Americans were wounded and a $70 million U.S. aircraft had to be deliberately destroyed.

Concern around Trump’s decision-making grew as lawmakers called for further information on the operation in harsh statements Thursday. The military had already announced that it would launch its own investigation."

Trump Effort To Pin Botched Yemen Raid On Barack Obama Falters
 
Fishking said:
And...?

You think all raids are like the movies? Hell, going out on a routine patrol one day could be nothing and the next day a bunch of buddies dead.
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What was it people said about the Benghazi investigations...if there is nothing to hide then there is no reason to fear an investigation.
 
ludin said:
There is nothing there that would warrant an investigation
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Used to be that 14 civilians dead, women and children, was reason enough for the US to investigate. Doesn't that represent a failure that should be avoided in the future?
 
Fishking said:
And...?

You think all raids are like the movies? Hell, going out on a routine patrol one day could be nothing and the next day a bunch of buddies dead.
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Not buddies, women and children. Nine kids, five women. Shouldn't it be investigated how that could happen and how it could be avoided in the future?
 
Fletch said:
So what is your point? You clearly have a conclusion in mind that you would like an investigation to prove for you. What is it?
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This is what Trump literally called a "winning mission" and "success".

-the death of an elite U.S. Navy SEAL, Ryan Owens;

-23 civilians were killed, including the 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki (Awlaki was an American-born cleric and inspirational leader for al-Qaida who was killed in a drone strike in 2011); and

-a $90 million Osprey, a tilt-rotor aircraft, was destroyed after a crash landing.
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Was Donald Trump's Yemen Raid A 'Winning Mission,' Or A 'Failure,' Like John McCain Said? : NPR

I think the investigations will do for Trump exactly what Benghazi investigations did for Clinton.
 
Paperview said:
Bull.

WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump’s first overseas operation as commander in chief, a botched raid that led to the death of an American serviceman and significant civilian casualties, was never approved by former President Barack Obama before he left office, two top former national security officials said on Thursday.

The comments from Colin Kahl, the national security adviser to former Vice President Joe Biden, and Ned Price, a former White House spokesman...
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(Sigh) :roll:

Of course he could not "authorize it" if the action would occur during the tenure of a subsequent Administration.

The same held true of the Bay of Pigs incident. Eisenhower had been briefed and gave it his support, but left it to Kennedy to approve. How did that turn out?

This is no different, and the word play doesn't alleviate the fact that the prior President HAD been informed and opted to leave it to the incoming President to authorize.
 
Grand Mal said:
Not buddies, women and children. Nine kids, five women. Shouldn't it be investigated how that could happen and how it could be avoided in the future?
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I suspect there is an internal review of the action taking place already. Politicizing it will do nothing to avoid future ;mistakes' like this.
 
Grand Mal said:
Not buddies, women and children. Nine kids, five women. Shouldn't it be investigated how that could happen and how it could be avoided in the future?
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Ah...so you're saying you want to investigate the Navy Seals and you don't think they are trained well enough?
 
Fishking said:
Ah...so you're saying you want to investigate the Navy Seals and you don't think they are trained well enough?
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Really? Are you going to do that?
Forget it. I shouldn't have bothered.
 
Mac77 said:
Are we expected to react to lies attributed to unnamed sources?

That bs is not worthy of comment
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Are you saying that you never drew conclusions about Clinton and Benghazi based on accounts of "unnamed sources"?
 
Fishking said:
Ah...so you're saying you want to investigate the Navy Seals and you don't think they are trained well enough?
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Exactly how many children have to die in a raid before there is an investigation into the decision making behind the raid?
 
Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh) :roll:

Of course he could not "authorize it" if the action would occur during the tenure of a subsequent Administration.

The same held true of the Bay of Pigs incident. Eisenhower had been briefed and gave it his support, but left it to Kennedy to approve. How did that turn out?

This is no different, and the word play doesn't alleviate the fact that the prior President HAD been informed and opted to leave it to the incoming President to authorize.
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It was never approved in the first place (on Obama's watch), and Trump, his team, and you said it was "only delayed" because of the new moon. They said it was Obama's plan, and they were just following through.

That's crap.
 
Fishking said:
Did Trump lie about the civilian deaths and what happened like Hillary and Obama did? Because, you know...the cover up and lies was why it had to be investigated.
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Yes. He lied about the cluster****...er, operation.
 
"It seems undisputed at this point that Trump signed off on the raid, though White House press secretary Sean Spicer claimed the operation was planned by former President Barack Obama’s administration, according to the Post:


[Spicer] said that the plan for the operation was first submitted by U.S. Central Command, which oversees military operations across the Middle East, to the Defense Department on Nov. 7, one day before the presidential election. A plan was approved by the Pentagon on Dec. 19 and turned over to the White House. Obama administration officials approved a plan for an operation during an interagency meeting Jan. 6, two weeks before President Trump’s inauguration, and decided it would be best to carry it out in the dark of a “moonless night,” Spicer said. That meant waiting until after Trump took office.


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Secretary of Defense James Mattis reviewed the plan on Jan. 24, the Post reported, and Trump was briefed on the matter by retired Gen. Michael Flynn, his national security adviser, the next day. The president then met with Mattis and Marine Gen. Joseph F. Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and signed off on the operation one day later.


But former Obama staffers didn’t remember it the same way, taking issue with Spicer’s claim that the operation was first organized by the ex-commander in chief. In fact, Colin Kahl, who was a security official in the Obama White House, called Spicer’s story “B.S.”


“I was there. … No specific raid was discussed. … The ‘moonless night’ thing is B.S.,” he told the Wall Street Journal, adding that the White House never signed off on that specific mission."

Former Obama staffer: It’s ‘B.S.’ to say Obama approved Yemen raid – TheBlaze
 
the armed forces of the US are based on a 'volunteer' force

these people know they are 'volunteering' for a dangerous job

why would there need to be an investigation conducted for what is the operations of a military hit squad?
 
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