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Trump picks McMaster to replace Flynn

vesper said:
Trump chooses McMasters as his national security adviser. Gen. Kellogg and Gen. McMaster have known each for years. Gen. Kellogg will be McMaster's Chief of Staff.

Here's a video I gleaned off another site explaining how he describes in dealing with ISIS and learning from past mistakes.

Look at all those ribbons etc on this man's chest!. Whoa! I wonder what they all stand for.

Social media is giving this guy thumbs up.

Trump adds McMaster, Kellog to national security team | Reuters.com
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Seems alright to me. I'm not absolutely certain how directly relevant his experience is, but it's at least parallel to the job, and he seems to be in generally good standing, unlike many recent appointees So I'm chalking this as a win and hopefully another voice of reason in a very unstable White House.

Good with me, dude.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Seems alright to me. I'm not absolutely certain how directly relevant his experience is, but it's at least parallel to the job, and he seems to be in generally good standing, unlike many recent appointees So I'm chalking this as a win and hopefully another voice of reason in a very unstable White House.

Good with me, dude.
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Good! S&M and for the record, I am a dudette. :lol:
 
MaggieD said:
Yes, they'll be here. A little soon though. They haven't found their talking points yet.
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I wonder who actually issues the talking points? Maybe they just naturally go viral when somebody thinks something up but when you hear the exact same phrase or derogatory characterization from almost every media source, all over social media, and on message boards seemingly almost immediately, I have to suspect there is some place where it originates.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I wonder who actually issues the talking points? Maybe they just naturally go viral when somebody thinks something up but when you hear the exact same phrase or derogatory characterization from almost every media source, all over social media, and on message boards seemingly almost immediately, I have to suspect there is some place where it originates.
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I'm not sure. I think once one media source spins it, all the little tiny guys pic it up and there you have it.
 
vesper said:
Trump chooses McMasters as his national security adviser. Gen. Kellogg and Gen. McMaster have known each for years. Gen. Kellogg will be McMaster's Chief of Staff.

Here's a video I gleaned off another site explaining how he describes in dealing with ISIS and learning from past mistakes.



Look at all those ribbons etc on this man's chest!. Whoa! I wonder what they all stand for.

Social media is giving this guy thumbs up.

Trump adds McMaster, Kellog to national security team | Reuters.com
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I've noticed an interesting...trend?

When Trump's first pick or first few picks either gets shot down or kicked out, we seem to get a person who (on the surface at least) may be a better choice.
 
vesper said:
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I wish someone with the knowledge of all those ribbons could share them with us. I do recognize the Purple Heart.

According to Wiki it appears he always wanted to be a soldier. Graduated fromValley Forge Military Academy, graduating in 1980. He earned a commission as a second lieutenant upon graduating from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1984. McMaster earned Master of Arts and Ph.D. degrees in American history from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His thesis was critical of American strategy in the Vietnam War. He's an author too where he detailed in his 1997 book Dereliction of Duty the Vietnam War. He greatly criticized high-ranking officers of that era, and challenged Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and President Lyndon Johnson on their Vietnam strategy. According to Wiki the "book was widely read in Pentagon circles and included in military reading lists."
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Top row is a Silver Star

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Here you go - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._R._McMaster
 
Redress said:
Are you too young to remember 2008, or did it just not register the meat grinder they where put through?

To an extent, the opposition party should put picks through the grinder. That is part of their role. I do not necessarily support trying to block most of the picks, but examining and criticizing them is part of the process.
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Obama's nominees were vetted and examined yes, but the GOP was far less persistent in blocking their confirmation. I believe seven of Obama's nominees were confirmed on Day One of his inauguration in 2008 and Hillary Clinton was confirmed Secretary of State the next day. He had all his people in place I believe within the first two or three weeks--President Bush 43 had all his in place within the first 14 days. More than 30 days post inauguration, the confirmation of Trump's cabinet is still in progress--drip, drip, drip with each one being delayed as long as the Democrats can delay it.

Hopefully General McMasters will be so uncontroversial it won't take long to allow him to go to work in a key security post.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I wonder who actually issues the talking points? Maybe they just naturally go viral when somebody thinks something up but when you hear the exact same phrase or derogatory characterization from almost every media source, all over social media, and on message boards seemingly almost immediately, I have to suspect there is some place where it originates.
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Which derogatory talking points on McMaster and Kellog have you seen in this thread before your first post ?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Obama's nominees were vetted and examined yes, but the GOP was far less persistent in blocking their confirmation. I believe seven of Obama's nominees were confirmed on Day One of his inauguration in 2008 and Hillary Clinton was confirmed Secretary of State the next day. He had all his people in place I believe within the first two or three weeks--President Bush 43 had all his in place within the first 14 days. More than 30 days post inauguration, the confirmation of Trump's cabinet is still in progress--drip, drip, drip with each one being delayed as long as the Democrats can delay it.

Hopefully General McMasters will be so uncontroversial it won't take long to allow him to go to work in a key security post.
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That had alot to do with Obama actually having a much more full set of picks, with all the paperwork done, "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed. There is very little democrats can actually do to stop any pick without republican help. And of course you need to also look further into Obama's presidency, when republicans basically held up his judicial nominees, some for far longer than Trump has even been president.
 
The Mark said:
I've noticed an interesting...trend?

When Trump's first pick or first few picks either gets shot down or kicked out, we seem to get a person who (on the surface at least) may be a better choice.
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Lots of things come out during the vetting process and in the instance of Puz for Labor, even a number of Republicans could not justify him.

With Flynn it was different. He was not up and up with the VP. The VP goes out and vouches for him "unequivocally" claiming Flynn did not have a conversation with the Russian ambassador about sanctions on Russia. If you are not able to be fully honest with the VP and the Pres then the trust factor is lost.

Look I was never thrilled with Flynn from day one. I didn't like that he would go on RT Russia state media. When I saw him at the awards dinner for RT at the end of 2015 sitting right next to Putin, I found that very troubling.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Obama's nominees were vetted and examined yes, but the GOP was far less persistent in blocking their confirmation. I believe seven of Obama's nominees were confirmed on Day One of his inauguration in 2008 and Hillary Clinton was confirmed Secretary of State the next day. He had all his people in place I believe within the first two or three weeks--President Bush 43 had all his in place within the first 14 days. More than 30 days post inauguration, the confirmation of Trump's cabinet is still in progress--drip, drip, drip with each one being delayed as long as the Democrats can delay it.

Hopefully General McMasters will be so uncontroversial it won't take long to allow him to go to work in a key security post.
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McMaster and Kellog don't require a vote so poor deflection there.

GOPosters continually ignore the complete obstruction of everything Obama during the winter of 2013, forcing the McConnell nuclear option.

Have you noticed a change in the tone of this thread since you arrived ?
 
AlbqOwl said:
I wonder who actually issues the talking points? Maybe they just naturally go viral when somebody thinks something up but when you hear the exact same phrase or derogatory characterization from almost every media source, all over social media, and on message boards seemingly almost immediately, I have to suspect there is some place where it originates.
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All talking points are issued from the Central Office Clearinghouse of Left Wing Hate after being approved by the Committe to Destroy America. They are then issued to the media by encrypted email. Their offices are located just down the hall from the Right Wing Paranoia Office of True Patriots and Purveyors of Truth.
 
MaggieD said:
I'm not sure. I think once one media source spins it, all the little tiny guys pic it up and there you have it.
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That's probably it. It just seems so instantaneous though it makes one think it could be organized. But I don't know that for sure so oh well.
 
NIMBY said:
Which derogatory talking points on McMaster and Kellog have you seen in this thread before your first post ?
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I wasn't referring to McMaster and Kellogg. I was referring to assigned talking points in general.
 
Lutherf said:
Top row is a Silver Star

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Here you go - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._R._McMaster
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Thanks Luther.
My father-in-law was a Hell of a man. Served in WW11 in the European theater. He received 3 Purple Hearts, 5 Bronze Stars and refused a Silver Star because they refused to issue the Silver Star to his fellow brothers involved in the mission. The mission involved in going across enemy lines and get the papers off a fallen officer. He came under attack and got to an enemy machine gun and killed a bunch of Germans with their own gun. He said unless they issued one to each one of them involved in the mission he didn't want it. I learned all this from others in the family. My father in law never talked about the medals he received. They were kept in a box in his dresser drawer.
 
Redress said:
That had alot to do with Obama actually having a much more full set of picks, with all the paperwork done, "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed. There is very little democrats can actually do to stop any pick without republican help. And of course you need to also look further into Obama's presidency, when republicans basically held up his judicial nominees, some for far longer than Trump has even been president.
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I have heard the reports that the paper work isn't done too, but the Trump administration maintains they have all their paperwork done, "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed on almost every nominee if not on every nominee.

At least one or two of Obama's nominee's were confirmed prior to the paperwork being completed--the paperwork was submitted days later. Trump has the fewest cabinet members in place at this point in the process since George Washington.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/13/t...ecretaries-confirmed-since-george-washington/

The Democrats concede that Trump's nominations are almost certainly going to be confirmated. If they delay McMaster's confirmation for his position, how is that a good thing for the country? What do they accomplish by not allowing the Administration to get to work?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Obama's nominees were vetted and examined yes, but the GOP was far less persistent in blocking their confirmation. I believe seven of Obama's nominees were confirmed on Day One of his inauguration in 2008 and Hillary Clinton was confirmed Secretary of State the next day. He had all his people in place I believe within the first two or three weeks--President Bush 43 had all his in place within the first 14 days. More than 30 days post inauguration, the confirmation of Trump's cabinet is still in progress--drip, drip, drip with each one being delayed as long as the Democrats can delay it.

Hopefully General McMasters will be so uncontroversial it won't take long to allow him to go to work in a key security post.
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Obama didn't have his full cabinet until the end of April.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I have heard the reports that the paper work isn't done too, but the Trump administration maintains they have all their paperwork done, "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed on almost every nominee if not on every nominee.

At least one or two of Obama's nominee's were confirmed prior to the paperwork being completed--the paperwork was submitted days later. Trump has the fewest cabinet members in place since George Washington.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/13/t...ecretaries-confirmed-since-george-washington/

The Democrats concede that Trump's nominations are almost certainly going to be confirmated. If they delay McMaster's confirmation for his position, how is that a good thing for the country? What do they accomplish by not allowing the Administration to get to work?
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Maybe you are not aware of this, but democrats do not have 50 votes in the senate, which means they have very little power to delay anything. Stop blaming democrats for Trumps piss poor management.
 
Redress said:
Maybe you are not aware of this, but democrats do not have 50 votes in the senate, which means they have very little power to delay anything. Stop blaming democrats for Trumps piss poor management.
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I am not aware of this "piss poor management" you speak of.

I for sure would wait at least 100 days before trying to pass judgment on the effectiveness of his management, maybe even a year.
 
azgreg said:
Obama didn't have his full cabinet until the end of April.
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That's right but remember Obama had a super majority in the House and Senate at this time in the process so it was the Democrats who ultimately created that situation. His nominations of Richardson, Gregg, and Daschle all failed--Richardson and Dashchle because of serious ethics investigations and something apparently turned up on Gregg too because he withdrew his name before going through the Senate hearing process.
 
vesper said:
Trump chooses McMasters as his national security adviser. Gen. Kellogg and Gen. McMaster have known each for years. Gen. Kellogg will be McMaster's Chief of Staff.

Here's a video I gleaned off another site explaining how he describes in dealing with ISIS and learning from past mistakes.



Look at all those ribbons etc on this man's chest!. Whoa! I wonder what they all stand for.

Social media is giving this guy thumbs up.

Trump adds McMaster, Kellog to national security team | Reuters.com
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General Flynn had just as many ribbons.
 
AlbqOwl said:
That's right but remember Obama had a super majority in the House and Senate at this time in the process so it was the Democrats who ultimately created that situation. His nominations of Richardson, Gregg, and Daschle all failed--Richardson and Dashchle because of serious ethics investigations and something apparently turned up on Gregg too because he withdrew his name before going through the Senate hearing process.
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Um, no. Judd Gregg withdrew because of his "irresolvable conflicts" (his words) with Obama over the stimulus package and because he believed Obama wanted to politicize the 2010 census. Nothing "turned up" on him.
 
So far I am a fan.

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