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Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule

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President Trump on Thursday signed legislation ending a key Obama administration coal mining rule. The bill quashes the Office of Surface Mining's Stream Protection Rule, a regulation to protect waterways from coal mining waste that officials finalized in December.
The legislation is the second Trump has signed into law ending an Obama-era environmental regulation. On Tuesday, he signed a Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolution undoing a financial disclosure requirement for energy companies.
Both the mining and financial disclosure bills are the tip of a GOP push to undo a slate of regulations instituted in the closing days of the Obama administration. The House has passed several CRA resolutions, and the Senate has so far sent three of them to President Trump for his signature.

Regulators finalized the stream protection rule in December, but they spent most of Obama’s tenure writing it.
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Read more here: Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

The coal industry has literally destroyed thousands of miles of streams and rivers with mountaintop removal mining. This is a shame.

They are turning thousands of miles of mountain waterways into this:

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BTW, the regulation would have created as many jobs as were lost: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/coal...uld-have-created-as-many-jobs-as-it-cost.html

On a side note the Coal Mining Industry Lobby claimed the regulations would cost 280,000 coal mining jobs. Pretty easy to call bull**** there when the whole industry currently employs 81,000 people.
 
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Millions of tree hugger types who live up steam of me are causing long term damage to the Chesapeake Bay.

But what the heck....... right?

Gotta have a green lawn!
 
RetiredUSN said:
Millions of tree hugger types who live up steam of me are causing long term damage to the Chesapeake Bay.

But what the heck....... right?

Gotta have a green lawn!
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The two are simply not comparable.

1. I personally don't use synthetic lawn fertilizers because I am a fisherman and I know how it contributes to algae blooms.

2. Fertilizers impact a stream for a few years at most (once they are no longer used). Mountaintop removal coal mining destroys rivers and streams for potentially millions of years. Basically as long as it takes for the forces of geology to create new mountains and streams.

3. The whole point of environmental regulation is that we cannot make environmental protection and conservation be predicated on over 300 million individuals each in this country making good choices in regards to conservation.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

The coal industry has literally destroyed thousands of miles of streams and rivers with mountaintop removal mining. This is a shame.

They are turning thousands of miles of mountain waterways into this:

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BTW, the regulation would have created as many jobs as were lost: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/coal...uld-have-created-as-many-jobs-as-it-cost.html

On a side note the Coal Mining Industry Lobby claimed the regulations would cost 280,000 coal mining jobs. Pretty easy to call bull**** there when the whole industry currently employs 81,000 people.
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But it's all part of the plan to make America great again! Obviously Trump has been advised by his chauffeur to sign the order to undue Obama's order because his cousin, who also happens to be his grandpa, who is a demolition guy at a coal mountain lost his job.

See, it all makes sense now, right?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The two are simply not comparable.

1. I personally don't use synthetic lawn fertilizers because I am a fisherman and I know how it contributes to algae blooms.

2. Fertilizers impact a stream for a few years at most (once they are no longer used). Mountaintop removal coal mining destroys rivers and streams for potentially millions of years. Basically as long as it takes for the forces of geology to create new mountains and streams.

3. The whole point of environmental regulation is that we cannot make environmental protection and conservation be predicated on over 300 million individuals each in this country making good choices in regards to conservation.
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Then why are West Virginian's catching trout out of once considered coal polluted streams?

Could it be that the particulates are flushed out by now from stream flows?

The Chesapeake Bay has had for the same long term dead zones for the past 50 years due to 335 million lbs. of fertilizer entering annually. The farmers cleaned up their act, while the average "Joe"........not so much.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

The coal industry has literally destroyed thousands of miles of streams and rivers with mountaintop removal mining. This is a shame.

They are turning thousands of miles of mountain waterways into this:

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BTW, the regulation would have created as many jobs as were lost: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/coal...uld-have-created-as-many-jobs-as-it-cost.html

On a side note the Coal Mining Industry Lobby claimed the regulations would cost 280,000 coal mining jobs. Pretty easy to call bull**** there when the whole industry currently employs 81,000 people.

I've seen dozens of strip mines in Appalachia. None looked like this. Where did you get the photograph?
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

The coal industry has literally destroyed thousands of miles of streams and rivers with mountaintop removal mining. This is a shame.

They are turning thousands of miles of mountain waterways into this:

View attachment 67214183

BTW, the regulation would have created as many jobs as were lost: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/coal...uld-have-created-as-many-jobs-as-it-cost.html

On a side note the Coal Mining Industry Lobby claimed the regulations would cost 280,000 coal mining jobs. Pretty easy to call bull**** there when the whole industry currently employs 81,000 people.
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It's obvious that when a group of people have done irreversible damage to any piece of terrain, that group needs to be severely punished and forced to return it to its original state.

Here is a site that should be targeted for Super Fund money to return it to its natural state.

 
Removable Mind said:
But it's all part of the plan to make America great again! Obviously Trump has been advised by his chauffeur to sign the order to undue Obama's order because his cousin, who also happens to be his grandpa, who is a demolition guy at a coal mountain lost his job.

See, it all makes sense now, right?
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Well, your dismissive bigotry is at least not aimed at a particular racial community.

So, I guess this is okay.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Then why are West Virginian's catching trout out of once considered coal polluted streams?

Could it be that the particulates are flushed out by now from stream flows?

The Chesapeake Bay has had for the same long term dead zones for the past 50 years due to 335 million lbs. of fertilizer entering annually. The farmers cleaned up their act, while the average "Joe"........not so much.
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Love these claims about millions of years to return to nature. Guess that's why abandoned homes and factories in Detroit are returning to nature in less than 20 years.

To the point however, here is a picture of a closed mountain top mine taken in 2004.

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code1211 said:
Well, your dismissive bigotry is at least not aimed at a particular racial community.

So, I guess this is okay.
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Thats funny.

Ahhhhh. Did you think I was talking about Obama's cousin? Gosh I was talking about the chauffeur's cousin. I didn't mention the chauffeur's race.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Then why are West Virginian's catching trout out of once considered coal polluted streams?

Could it be that the particulates are flushed out by now from stream flows?

The Chesapeake Bay has had for the same long term dead zones for the past 50 years due to 335 million lbs. of fertilizer entering annually. The farmers cleaned up their act, while the average "Joe"........not so much.
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Dude come on. You can literally see the scaring all over West Virginia from space. The worst environmental disasters in human history are all related to coal mining.
 
ocean515 said:
Love these claims about millions of years to return to nature. Guess that's why abandoned homes and factories in Detroit are returning to nature in less than 20 years.

To the point however, here is a picture of a closed mountain top mine taken in 2004.

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Where is the other 1000 plus feet of the mountain? Where is the forests that one stood upon it? You think taking mountains that are hundreds of millions of years old and at best turning them in to a field is not environmental damage?
 
code1211 said:
It's obvious that when a group of people have done irreversible damage to any piece of terrain, that group needs to be severely punished and forced to return it to its original state.

Here is a site that should be targeted for Super Fund money to return it to its natural state.

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And one mountain top removal mine can cover nearly the same area. We need cities, we do not need to blow up entire mountains just to get to coal. This is particularly true when the most productive coal mines are out west and those don't require such environmental destruction, and when natural gas is much, much cleaner and cheaper.
 
Removable Mind said:
Thats funny.

Ahhhhh. Did you think I was talking about Obama's cousin? Gosh I was talking about the chauffeur's cousin. I didn't mention the chauffeur's race.
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And I noted that you were not discussing race.

Your point?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
And one mountain top removal mine can cover nearly the same area. We need cities, we do not need to blow up entire mountains just to get to coal. This is particularly true when the most productive coal mines are out west and those don't require such environmental destruction, and when natural gas is much, much cleaner and cheaper.
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I assume there have been EPA type regulations passed before the one that was revoked.

If the economics of the use of coal are that bad, then the use of coal will end. Problem solved.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Dude come on. You can literally see the scaring all over West Virginia from space. The worst environmental disasters in human history are all related to coal mining.
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You are apparently not aware of the lumber and steel mining industries.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

The coal industry has literally destroyed thousands of miles of streams and rivers with mountaintop removal mining. This is a shame.

They are turning thousands of miles of mountain waterways into this:

View attachment 67214183

BTW, the regulation would have created as many jobs as were lost: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/coal...uld-have-created-as-many-jobs-as-it-cost.html

On a side note the Coal Mining Industry Lobby claimed the regulations would cost 280,000 coal mining jobs. Pretty easy to call bull**** there when the whole industry currently employs 81,000 people.
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I bet the idiots who this change harms the most are cheering it.

In some ways, I am glad this is happening. They deserve this.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
And one mountain top removal mine can cover nearly the same area. We need cities, we do not need to blow up entire mountains just to get to coal. This is particularly true when the most productive coal mines are out west and those don't require such environmental destruction, and when natural gas is much, much cleaner and cheaper.
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The city in the picture has its lights on...
 
code1211 said:
You are apparently not aware of the lumber and steel mining industries.
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Lumber is hardly comparable. You log land and even if its old growth its going to recover fully within a few hundred years.

This is what mountaintop removal coaling mining does to the land:

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You can literally see the scaring of the land from space.
 
calamity said:
I bet the idiots who this change harms the most are cheering it.

In some ways, I am glad this is happening. They deserve this.
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What kills me is that the folks defending this will claim "they care about the environment, they just want a balance", yet they can't even come out against what is literally the most environmentally destructive activity in all of human history. I wish they would just be honest and say they don't give a **** about the environment or conservation.

Anyone regardless of their politics that cares one thing about conservation would agree that we should not be in the business of blowing up entire mountains.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Dude come on. You can literally see the scaring all over West Virginia from space. The worst environmental disasters in human history are all related to coal mining.
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You really believe that?

Tell that to the survivors of WWII bombings including Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
We can't use the resources from the earth because of nature.

We can however except wind turbines from regulations dealing with killing birds because **** birds.
 
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