Trump Declares CNN, NYT, CBS, ABC And NBC Are "The Enemy of The American People"

Master PO said:

again if you going to tie Madison to democracy then you have to have something from Madison and you don't.

America of Madison was not created a democracy because the vote for the president and senate are not a democratic vote....the constitution bares this out.

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We see the further and indisputable truth that the terminally blinkered find their natural habitat in China.

You have read and are fixated on Madison's writings and rhetoric, while I have been pointing to Madison's deeds and his life's works and factual accomplishments, i.e., as the architect of the Constitution of the United States to include its first ten amendments, i.e., the Bill of Rights. The original Constitution established a highly successful and enduring republic, based on Montesque's three branches of secular government, while the Bill of Rights established the United States as having and practicing liberal democracy.

The Constitution continually proves to be a well grounded and open ended document, which accounts for its enuring success.

So thank you for playing, however, the game ended a long time ago and everyone except yourself has gone home. I know from my own experience in CCP China the long thousands years tradition of imposing themselves no matter who, what, where, when, why. However, while this discussion had already become extended beyond anyone's possible interest or curiosity, it has now become interminably repetitive, vacuous, overbearing and endless, sort of like China itself.

So let's finally give it a rest.

This is moving toward civil war! It's obvious that Trump is responsible
for floods, hurricanes, forest fires & probably even Boll Weevils. Although Trump wasn't alive when the Boll Weevil
was able to winter over on the North Texas plains & shortly after decimated the staple crop of the
agrarian south I'm sure it was some of Trump's evil Mexican ancestors were responsible, it's not
even debatable. All thiose who agree please watch lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC as I did last night, that
great American truthteller who has such high TV ratings will second these thoughts.

Media_Truth said:

Very scary. Thanks for the explanation. So are there enough checks and balances, built into our system, to prevent this from happening? I feel like a naive puppy dog. Here I've been working towards green initiatives, like building a zero-energy home, while the rug has been pulled out from under us.

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There's foreign and domestic which appear to be 50-50 at best. As we know, 50 anywhere is a failing grade.

That is, Republicans in the Senate appear to be organizing several initiatives to check Trump-Bannon on foreign policy. Russia, Nato and the like. Support Trump on calling to account and reigning in the CCP China. The range of foreign issues in national security appear to be manageable.

Domestically however, Trump-Bannon are likely to have their way. The Wall. Deportations of some kind and extent. Supreme Court appointments. Budget buster increases in spending by the trillion simultaneous to tax cuts in the trillions. Social safety net removed. Education trashed along with the environment and labor standards to include abandonment of urban and metropolitan areas. Voting eligibility of the political opposition restricted and terminated radically and precipitously. Etc.

Democrats never do well in the midterm elections, so that would have to reverse radically and massively in 2018 from coast to coast to have any impact. Given the voter purging of the political opposition that will surely occur, the mountain before us is high indeed...and steep.

Still, Trump-Bannon just can't create too much chaos for the Republican party or for that matter, the country. Trump winning a small war against CCP China in the South Sea would prop him up considerably for 2020. So while there's a lot of unprecedented stuff from Trump-Bannon, there's more than enough of the sos too.

I expect the unexpected in really unexpected things and ways. And in every aspect besides.

FreedomFromAll said:

If the market cannot deal with the ethics of journalism then what is the solution? You cant make all adults think instead of believing every little conspiracy theory/lie/manipulation that comes their way. So what can be done while keeping the First Amendment intact?

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You can thank leftwing public education for the host of non-critical thinkers and unscrupulous journalism we have today.

Tangmo said:

There's foreign and domestic which appear to be 50-50 at best. As we know, 50 anywhere is a failing grade.

That is, Republicans in the Senate appear to be organizing several initiatives to check Trump-Bannon on foreign policy. Russia, Nato and the like. Support Trump on calling to account and reigning in the CCP China. The range of foreign issues in national security appear to be manageable.

Domestically however, Trump-Bannon are likely to have their way. The Wall. Deportations of some kind and extent. Supreme Court appointments. Budget buster increases in spending by the trillion simultaneous to tax cuts in the trillions. Social safety net removed. Education trashed along with the environment and labor standards to include abandonment of urban and metropolitan areas. Voting eligibility of the political opposition restricted and terminated radically and precipitously. Etc.

Democrats never do well in the midterm elections, so that would have to reverse radically and massively in 2018 from coast to coast to have any impact. Given the voter purging of the political opposition that will surely occur, the mountain before us is high indeed...and steep.

Still, Trump-Bannon just can't create too much chaos for the Republican party or for that matter, the country. Trump winning a small war against CCP China in the South Sea would prop him up considerably for 2020. So while there's a lot of unprecedented stuff from Trump-Bannon, there's more than enough of the sos too.

I expect the unexpected in really unexpected things and ways. And in every aspect besides.

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Still doesn't add up to the extremity in the Bannon quote. As much as I dislike some of the attacks mentioned, they are mostly Republican platform issues, other than the usual Right-wing lie about fiscal conservatism. That quote makes it sound like, while distracting the media, there is some major hidden agenda behind the scenes. I guess your last sentence states this - "Don't know what's to come..."

American said:

You can thank leftwing public education for the host of non-critical thinkers and unscrupulous journalism we have today.

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Did you hear the latest? I just read that O'Keefe was on Sean Hannity's radio program along with a reporter from Huffo Puffo yesterday. O'Keefe said someone within one of the major media corporations has provided him with a hundred hours of video from multiple newsrooms of off-air interactions between hosts, reporters and guests. He would not divulge which corporation. The fact this person provided it to O'Keefe must really show the media bias toward anything right of center. I guess he is going to start releasing the videos on the net starting as early as tomorrow. This should be good. Can't wait!

Tangmo said:

Right wing paranoia is the enemy.



The Paranoid Style in American Politics Is Back

[T]the historian Richard Hofstadter famously described in 1964 “The Paranoid Style in American Politics”:

In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/...-style-in-american-politics-is-back.html?_r=0

It is not an individual clinical paranoid that Prof. Hofstadter defined in American politics. It is the otherwise normal average person who sees enemies against his society within his own society, and who sees them as an organized campaign against the society. An organized campaign run by his own countrymen who he sees as evil and conspiratorial.

The paranoid style as a component of American politics.


The Paranoid Style in American Politics

"The Paranoid Style in American Politics"[1] is an essay by American historian Richard J. Hofstadter, first published in Harper's Magazine in November 1964; it served as the title essay of a book by the author in the same year.

Published soon after Senator Barry Goldwater had won the Republican presidential nomination over the more moderate Nelson A. Rockefeller, Hofstadter's article explores the influence of conspiracy theory and "movements of suspicious discontent" throughout American history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics

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Was FDR merely paranoid in 1939 when he warned against the menace of nazi Germany?

American said:

You can thank leftwing public education for the host of non-critical thinkers and unscrupulous journalism we have today.

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Any school is only as good as the parents participation in their child's education. But thanx for the hyper partisan chest pounding.

Tangmo said:

We see the further and indisputable truth that the terminally blinkered find their natural habitat in China.

You have read and are fixated on Madison's writings and rhetoric, while I have been pointing to Madison's deeds and his life's works and factual accomplishments, i.e., as the architect of the Constitution of the United States to include its first ten amendments, i.e., the Bill of Rights. The original Constitution established a highly successful and enduring republic, based on Montesque's three branches of secular government, while the Bill of Rights established the United States as having and practicing liberal democracy.

The Constitution continually proves to be a well grounded and open ended document, which accounts for its enuring success.

So thank you for playing, however, the game ended a long time ago and everyone except yourself has gone home. I know from my own experience in CCP China the long thousands years tradition of imposing themselves no matter who, what, where, when, why. However, while this discussion had already become extended beyond anyone's possible interest or curiosity, it has now become interminably repetitive, vacuous, overbearing and endless, sort of like China itself.

So let's finally give it a rest.

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well it time to slam any idea America of James Madison was a democracy

1. under the constitution of Madison, the senate is not elected by the people but instead it is appointed by the state legislatures.....this is non democratic

2 under the constitution of Madison, the president is not elected by the people but instead is elected by electors.........this is also a non democratic

3 voting in america in the time of Madison is also not of the peoples as a whole, the only people who can vote are Citizens who own property and taxes.

the above 3 examples of Madison's constitution and in this time is in no way a democratic form of government

Madison's constitution is of a "Mixed government" as he states in the federalist 40, which is a republican form of government

another slam on the idea America was created a democracy and being a democratic form government


The Federalist Papers : No. 40


The Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained
From the New York Packet.
Friday, January 18, 1788.
MADISON

To the People of the State of New York:

THE SECOND point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

FreedomFromAll said:

Any school is only as good as the parents participation in their child's education. But thanx for the hyper partisan chest pounding.

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Oh come on, their concentrating on multiculturism and restroom sensitivity training, instead of STEM.

Mac77 said:

Was FDR merely paranoid in 1939 when he warned against the menace of nazi Germany?

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Prof. Hofstadter of Columbia University was motivated to write his book The Paranoid Style in American Politics by the rightwing movement of Barry Goldwater's time. FDR was socioculturally mainstream and was not in the categories and classifications of Hofstadter's book, same as Herbert Hoover et al.

Dr. Hofstadter was not taking about the individual or a single person's clinical paranoia. He rather examined and revealed paranoid political movements throughout American history. Subsequent researchers have carried his work forward to the present.

From Prof. Hofstadter whose landmark book originated at Oxford in his a presentation there of the Herbert Spencer Lecture Series...


In using the expression "paranoid style," I am not speaking in a clinical sense. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to people with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant. It is a way of seeing the world and of expressing oneself. Webster defines paranoia, the clinical entity, as a chronic mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions of persecution and of one's own greatness. In the paranoid style, as I conceive it, the feeling of persecution is central, and it is indeed systematized in grandiose theories of conspiracy.

But there is a vital difference between the paranoid spokesman in politics and the clinical paranoiac: although they both tend to be overheated, oversuspicious, overaggressive, grandiose, and apocalyptic in expression, the clinical paranoid sees the hostile and conspiratorial world in which he feels himself to be living as directed specifically against him; whereas the spokesman of the paranoid style [in politics] finds it directed against a nation, a culture, a way of life whose fate affects not himself alone but millions of others. Insofar as he does not usually see himself singled out as the individual victim of a personal conspiracy,1 he is somewhat more rational and much more disinterested. His sense that his political passions are unselfish and patriotic, in fact, goes far to intensify his feeling of righteousness and his moral indignation.1

Read more: What Does Richard Hofstadter Mean By Paranoid Style History Essay

The Paranoid Style in American Politics - Richard Hofstadter | Freemasonry | Paranoia


In the final analysis I always try to keep in mind that, as someone once said, a good conspiracy is an unprovable one....If you can prove it, they must have screwed up somewhere along the line.

Master PO said:

well it time to slam any idea America of James Madison was a democracy

1. under the constitution of Madison, the senate is not elected by the people but instead it is appointed by the state legislatures.....this is non democratic

2 under the constitution of Madison, the president is not elected by the people but instead is elected by electors.........this is also a non democratic

3 voting in america in the time of Madison is also not of the peoples as a whole, the only people who can vote are Citizens who own property and taxes.

the above 3 examples of Madison's constitution and in this time is in no way a democratic form of government

Madison's constitution is of a "Mixed government" as he states in the federalist 40, which is a republican form of government

another slam on the idea America was created a democracy and being a democratic form government


The Federalist Papers : No. 40


The Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained
From the New York Packet.
Friday, January 18, 1788.
MADISON

To the People of the State of New York:

THE SECOND point to be examined is, whether the convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

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Yes, we know thanks.

Media_Truth said:

Still doesn't add up to the extremity in the Bannon quote. As much as I dislike some of the attacks mentioned, they are mostly Republican platform issues, other than the usual Right-wing lie about fiscal conservatism. That quote makes it sound like, while distracting the media, there is some major hidden agenda behind the scenes. I guess your last sentence states this - "Don't know what's to come..."

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You are right to point out I did not go beyond a conventional party platform kind of presentation in response to your inquiry. So with the hope to make up for it, let me present Bannan as the Satan he says he is.

Bannon-Trump and Trump-Bannon are out to remake the world order and the USA within. The two want to keep the USA in a global leadership role, position, stature. Just in radically different ways, with radically different countries and radically different leaders than the post WW2 U.S. policies and alignment. Starting with Vladimir Putin and Russia.

The following might be a bit overly dramatic, however, it makes certain points saliently...


We are now facing a series of real questions.

Will the ideologue who helped Trump be elected – Stephen Bannon, chief executive officer of Trump’s presidential campaign – have the time to destroy the world both have inherited? Will the world will be able to establish a world order without the United States at its centre? How many of the values that built modern democracy will be able to survive and become the bases for global governance?

A new international order cannot be built without common values, just on nationalism and xenophobia.

Bannon is organising a new international alliance of populists, xenophobes and nationalists – made up of the likes of Nicholas Farage (United Kingdom), Matteo Salvini and Beppe Grillo (Italy), Marine Le Pen (France) and Geert Wilders (Netherlands) – with Washington as their point of reference.

After the elections in the Netherlands, France and Germany this year, will know how this alliance will fare, but one thing is clear – if, beyond its national agenda, the Trump administration succeeds in creating a new international order based on illiberal democracy, we should start to worry because war will not be far away.
(emphasis added)

Trump Marks End Of A Cycle – OpEd – Eurasia Review


It is curious about Bannon that he says he can realize his greatest successes when people don't know what he's doing or what's going on, yet he broadcasts it for everyone to know and to find out.

American said:

Oh come on, their concentrating on multiculturism and restroom sensitivity training, instead of STEM.

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I have not seen any of that at my kids school district.

Tangmo said:

Yes, we know thanks.

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glad to you see on board

Tangmo said:

Prof. Hofstadter of Columbia University was motivated to write his book The Paranoid Style in American Politics by the rightwing movement of Barry Goldwater's time. FDR was socioculturally mainstream and was not in the categories and classifications of Hofstadter's book, same as Herbert Hoover et al.

Dr. Hofstadter was not taking about the individual or a single person's clinical paranoia. He rather examined and revealed paranoid political movements throughout American history. Subsequent researchers have carried his work forward to the present.

From Prof. Hofstadter whose landmark book originated at Oxford in his a presentation there of the Herbert Spencer Lecture Series...


In using the expression "paranoid style," I am not speaking in a clinical sense. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to people with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant. It is a way of seeing the world and of expressing oneself. Webster defines paranoia, the clinical entity, as a chronic mental disorder characterized by systematized delusions of persecution and of one's own greatness. In the paranoid style, as I conceive it, the feeling of persecution is central, and it is indeed systematized in grandiose theories of conspiracy.

But there is a vital difference between the paranoid spokesman in politics and the clinical paranoiac: although they both tend to be overheated, oversuspicious, overaggressive, grandiose, and apocalyptic in expression, the clinical paranoid sees the hostile and conspiratorial world in which he feels himself to be living as directed specifically against him; whereas the spokesman of the paranoid style [in politics] finds it directed against a nation, a culture, a way of life whose fate affects not himself alone but millions of others. Insofar as he does not usually see himself singled out as the individual victim of a personal conspiracy,1 he is somewhat more rational and much more disinterested. His sense that his political passions are unselfish and patriotic, in fact, goes far to intensify his feeling of righteousness and his moral indignation.1

Read more: What Does Richard Hofstadter Mean By Paranoid Style History Essay

The Paranoid Style in American Politics - Richard Hofstadter | Freemasonry | Paranoia


In the final analysis I always try to keep in mind that, as someone once said, a good conspiracy is an unprovable one....If you can prove it, they must have screwed up somewhere along the line.

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Your cut and paste response was impressive except for one small detail.

The professor didnt answer the question I asked

Was FDR paranoid?

Off his rocker with unreasonable fear of the nazi menace?

But I dont blame him for that since he's not here

I don't know what the professor would say if he were here

but in my opinion the only difference between FDR and trump is that the Donald was speaking to a public that "gets it" and FDR wasn't

Tangmo said:

Donald Trump is the first and Uniquely American Fascist. Some people know this, recognize it, deliberately obscure it, while carrying out the agenda and the pace toward their purposes and goals. Others who recognize it pursue it openly and sometimes aggressively in their opposition to it.

This poster has stated it directly but has not pursued it aggressively. Or directly. This post is the exception to the approach. So I reiterate, Donald Trump is the first and Uniquely American Fascist.

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Umm. No. He's not.

Add all this up, and you get 26 out of a possible 44 Benitos. In the fascist derby, Trump is a loser.

How fascist is Donald Trump? There’s actually a formula for that.
Grading the billionaire on the 11 attributes of fascism.
By John McNeill October 21
John McNeill is a professor of history at Georgetown University.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/

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Trump is a populist with a flair for demagoguery and hyperbole. Nothing more. He has an advantage in his attacking various people, topics, and organizations that the center-right US electorate have had enough of. In that, he's tactically and strategically smarter than most establishment politicians.

Your banding about terms you apparently don't understand does nothing but damage your credibility.

I think you need to expand and diversify your information and news sources.

Clearly you are one of the many whom Mika Brzezinksi believes the MSM actually controls exactly what people think, what she claimed as 'their job'.

Master PO said:

glad to you see on board

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My post stated we know you are blinkered and that, accordingly, China is the perfect place for the ancient and fixed mindset. Overbearing besides.

China is in fact the established locale for the Great Wall of Resistance. Behind the Wall is the absolute certainty that all the changes of the past 600 years, and the past 300 years in particular, are ephemeral and soon to be swept away by the masters of the universe that reside within the Walls.

To insist the USA does not have a liberal democracy -- or any democracy -- is a convenient denial of reality. After all, if liberal democracy and democracy itself are unreal and do not exist then what real threat could democracy be to the current CCP Dynasty of Emperors.

Indeed, everyone behind the Wall knows dictatorship in its every form through the millennia is the natural state of society, and that this democracy thingy is but a passing fad that is already playing itself out. That democracy is rule by rabble.

Certainly everyone in China knows this...and they've always known it eh. That government can only be the top down rule by the elite over the ignorant masses. It's the eternal and unchanging state of human nature and society as seen from behind that Wall over there. As any Master is certain. USA exposed!

Mac77 said:

Your cut and paste response was impressive except for one small detail.

The professor didnt answer the question I asked

Was FDR paranoid?

Off his rocker with unreasonable fear of the nazi menace?

But I dont blame him for that since he's not here

I don't know what the professor would say if he were here

but in my opinion the only difference between FDR and trump is that the Donald was speaking to a public that "gets it" and FDR wasn't

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As I'd already stated, Hofstadter had no need whatsoever to as much as consider, much less include FDR or for the matter Churchill in any discussion of the paranoid style of politics and society. Hitler and his Nazis were paranoid both individually and personally as well as socioculturally and politically -- to understate their criminal insanity.

The post is off the point of Prof. Hofstadter and it is well off the point. Far off center, thesis, theme.

eohrnberger said:

Umm. No. He's not.

Add all this up, and you get 26 out of a possible 44 Benitos. In the fascist derby, Trump is a loser.


Trump is a populist with a flair for demagoguery and hyperbole. Nothing more. He has an advantage in his attacking various people, topics, and organizations that the center-right US electorate have had enough of. In that, he's tactically and strategically smarter than most establishment politicians.

Your banding about terms you apparently don't understand does nothing but damage your credibility.

I think you need to expand and diversify your information and news sources.

Clearly you are one of the many whom Mika Brzezinksi believes the MSM actually controls exactly what people think, what she claimed as 'their job'.

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Standard rightwing pulp...the progressives need credibility...progressives/libruls need to diversify their sources of news and information....WE don't know what we're talking about etc etc etc. Same tired old and glib stuff.

So let's look at fascism USA style, not Mussolini style or Hitler madness, but uniquely American fascism as we see it in the White House in the present advent of it....



Robert Paxton may be a good source to consult as an initial introduction to uniquely American fascism. Prof. Paxton is an emeritus professor of history at Columbia University. In his book The Anatomy of Fascism (Alfred A. Knopf, 2004) he develops the following definition:

“Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a massed-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external explansion.” (Paxton, op. cit., p. 218)


Prof. Paxton very well had me with him until the final part of his well respected description of fascism. USA is not yet to the latter condition of abandoning or pursuing etc as presented.


So here might be an even better one for our consideration....


"Fascism seeks to build a mass movement of everyone considered part of the national community, actively engaged but controlled from above, to seize political power and remake the social order. This movement is driven by a
vision of the national community rising phoenix-like after a period of encroaching decadence which all but destroyed it. Such rebirth involves systematic, top-down transformation of all social spheres by an authoritarian state, and suppression or purging of all forces, ideologies, and social groups the fascists define as alien."

- See more at: What is Fascism? | Political Research Associates

Yep, the one immediately above sounds more than familiar as it rings a lot of bells. It comes from from the author of Right-Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort , Matthew M. Lyons. Further building on that we have....


Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline
or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community.

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html



And here's one that could very well describe the Republican Party of 2017...

*"Fascism is the unchecked rule of a class of the privileged, or relatively rich, in power -- a full-scale assault on poor and working people. Parliamentary institutions are usually set aside, or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders, frequently through a populist leader. Wages, any social safety net, working hour laws, labor laws; all
come under legal (and extra-legal) attack. The stick replaces the carrot."

http://www.thirdworl...ism_Gibson.html<


One can agree or disagree or just ignore the whole thing, however, there needs to be a recognition over there on the most extreme of the extreme American right that some people do not simply or summarily toss a word about, either loosely or obliviously.

Trump is uniquely American in his pursuits. While Trump is not Mussolini or Hitler, there are some references to be made, such as this one: "Mussolini told Franco in October 1936, what the Spaniard should aim at was a regime that was simultaneously ‘authoritarian’, ‘social’, and ‘popular’. That amalgam, the Duce advised, was the basis of universal fascism.”

Stephen Bannon does however go well beyond Donald Trump to be an almost exact fit to the descriptions.

eohrnberger said:

Umm. No. He's not.

Add all this up, and you get 26 out of a possible 44 Benitos. In the fascist derby, Trump is a loser.


Trump is a populist with a flair for demagoguery and hyperbole. Nothing more. <<snip>>

Your banding about terms you apparently don't understand does nothing but damage your credibility.

I think you need to expand and diversify your information and news sources.

Clearly you are one of the many whom Mika Brzezinksi believes the MSM actually controls exactly what people think, what she claimed as 'their job'.

Click to expand...

Standard rightwing pulp...the progressives need credibility...progressives/libruls need to diversify their sources of news and information....WE don't know what we're talking about etc etc etc. Same tired and glib predictable stuff.

So let's look at fascism USA style, not Mussolini style or Hitler madness, but uniquely American fascism as we see it in the White House in the present advent of it....



Robert Paxton may be a good source to consult as an initial introduction to uniquely American fascism. Prof. Paxton is an emeritus professor of history at Columbia University. In his book The Anatomy of Fascism (Alfred A. Knopf, 2004) he develops the following definition:

“Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a massed-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external explansion.” (Paxton, op. cit., p. 218)


Prof. Paxton very well had me with him until the final part of his well respected description of fascism. USA is not yet to the latter condition of abandoning or pursuing etc as presented.


So here might be an even better one for our consideration....


"Fascism seeks to build a mass movement of everyone considered part of the national community, actively engaged but controlled from above, to seize political power and remake the social order. This movement is driven by a vision of the national community rising phoenix-like after a period of encroaching decadence which all but destroyed it. Such rebirth involves systematic, top-down transformation of all social spheres by an authoritarian state, and suppression or purging of all forces, ideologies, and social groups the fascists define as alien."

- See more at: What is Fascism? | Political Research Associates

Yep, the one immediately above sounds more than familiar as it rings a lot of bells. It comes from from the author of Right-Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort , Matthew M. Lyons. Further building on that we have....


Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community.

http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html



And here's one that could very well describe the Republican Party of 2017...

*"Fascism is the unchecked rule of a class of the privileged, or relatively rich, in power -- a full-scale assault on poor and working people. Parliamentary institutions are usually set aside, or so demeaned as to be meaningless. Elites issue direct orders, frequently through a populist leader. Wages, any social safety net, working hour laws, labor laws; all come under legal (and extra-legal) attack. The stick replaces the carrot."

http://www.thirdworl...ism_Gibson.html<


One can agree or disagree or just ignore the whole thing, however, there needs to be a recognition over there on the most extreme of the extreme American right that some people do not simply or summarily toss a word about, either loosely or obliviously.

Trump is uniquely American in his pursuits. While Trump is not Mussolini or Hitler, there are some references to be made, such as this one: "Mussolini told Franco in October 1936, what the Spaniard should aim at was a regime that was simultaneously ‘authoritarian’, ‘social’, and ‘popular’. That amalgam, the Duce advised, was the basis of universal fascism.”

Stephen Bannon does however go well beyond Donald Trump to be an almost exact fit to the descriptions.

Tangmo said:

My post stated we know you are blinkered and that, accordingly, China is the perfect place for the ancient and fixed mindset. Overbearing besides.

China is in fact the established locale for the Great Wall of Resistance. Behind the Wall is the absolute certainty that all the changes of the past 600 years, and the past 300 years in particular, are ephemeral and soon to be swept away by the masters of the universe that reside within the Walls.

To insist the USA does not have a liberal democracy -- or any democracy -- is a convenient denial of reality. After all, if liberal democracy and democracy itself are unreal and do not exist then what real threat could democracy be to the current CCP Dynasty of Emperors.

Indeed, everyone behind the Wall knows dictatorship in its every form through the millennia is the natural state of society, and that this democracy thingy is but a passing fad that is already playing itself out. That democracy is rule by rabble.

Certainly everyone in China knows this...and they've always known it eh. That government can only be the top down rule by the elite over the ignorant masses. It's the eternal and unchanging state of human nature and society as seen from behind that Wall over there. As any Master is certain. USA exposed!

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you seem to want to change the subject matter, the subject was that in the time of Madison and the founders did not create a democracy, which i showed they didn't.

you have completely gotten away that aspect as can be seen by your posting that does not even mention it anymore.

Master PO said:

you seem to want to change the subject matter, the subject was that in the time of Madison and the founders did not create a democracy, which i showed they didn't.

you have completely gotten away that aspect as can be seen by your posting that does not even mention it anymore.

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The thread topic is Trump. You introduced James Madison the Founder with your own bent from over there in the CCP China where you self-describe as an "Anti-democracy advocate" and Master PO.

Again and for the umpteenth time, your arguments are static and fixated on Madison's writings and rhetoric. You are focused exclusively on Madison on paper. Conversely, my posts are about Madison's real life achievements in the real world, principally writing the constitution then providing the Bill of Rights to it that institute liberal democracy in the United States. Madison went on to become the 4th Potus.

I'm not the last one out but I turned off the lights anyway. That leaves you in the dark which is where you started out to begin with.

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The thread topic is Trump. You introduced James Madison the Founder with your own bent from over there in the CCP China where you self-describe as an "Anti-democracy advocate" and Master PO.

Again and for the umpteenth time, your arguments are static and fixated on Madison's writings and rhetoric. You are focused exclusively on Madison on paper. Conversely, my posts are about Madison's real life achievements in the real world, principally writing the constitution then providing the Bill of Rights to it that institute liberal democracy in the United States. Madison went on to become the 4th Potus.

I'm not the last one out but I turned off the lights anyway. That leaves you in the dark which is where you started out to begin with.

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your conversation with me has been about democracy and Madison by even saying the bill of rights of Madison gives us a liberal democracy, this is completely ridiculous, because it has nothing to do with democracy.

the bill of rights are restrictions on federal power.

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your conversation with me has been about democracy and Madison by even saying the bill of rights of Madison gives us a liberal democracy, this is completely ridiculous, because it has nothing to do with democracy.

the bill of rights are restrictions on federal power.

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Well Master PO over there in China where the current CCP Dynasty of Emperors rules, there is the fantasy pursuit of the CCP to try to take away the USA strong suit throughout the world of being a democracy. (We know USA is a republic with liberal democracy, but virtually everyone refers to USA as a democracy.)

If your CCP Dynasty can prove USA is not a democracy then 90% of their work to take it down would be accomplished right then and there. Madison is your target, however, James Madison is no better a target to select than any of the Founders would be to youse.

So kindly be advised Master PO that, not only is the CCP Dynasty failing in the nefarious undertaking, it is also the case you are not the guy to make the kill or the breakthrough in this particular item of the Grand Strategy of the grandiose CCP Emperors.

Holy Batman would youse guyz over there luv to make the (impossible) case USA is not a democracy after all. Now that would be a coup of coups. However, youse guyz over there couldn't make that cynical case in a thousand years, even if the current ruling CCP Dynasty of Emperors in business suits had a thousand years. Which they do not. They'd be lucky in numerous respects to get another thousand dayze.