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WaPo : Iran Stronger Than Ever

beerftw said:
Iraq was stable when we left it...
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For some select definitions of stable.
Iraq was relatively stable compared to some of its recent year, but stable in the sense of a stable country generally.
Iraq has seen the equivalent of multiple 911s every year for years now.

It's true that the year after we left saw the fewest terrorist related deaths than any year of the preceding decade (iirc), but it was still a effed up mess with gobs of violence.
And the year before we left and the year after the year after we left all hell was breaking loose.

We, our media, talking heads, and politicians had all stopped making the violence in Iraq front page news by that point. Some other shiny things had appeared.
So it seemed that the violence had abated as we steadily heard less about it year after year.
 
DA60 said:
Iran has been the Boogie Man for ages now.

They are no direct threat to America and they have killed infinitely less innocent civilians than America has since 9/11.

Iran is not the largest exporter of terror in the world - America is.

What Iran does is none of America's business and what the Middle East does is none of America's business.

And the faster Americans realize that - the faster the 'threat' of terrorism against Americans drops to practically nil.

Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America than Iran could ever dream of being.
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I agree that we should mind our own business, which of course would include cutting of every cent we give those countries that hate us.
 
DA60 said:
Iran is not the largest exporter of terror in the world - America is.
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This is semantics.

DA60 said:
What Iran does is none of America's business and what the Middle East does is none of America's business.
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This is not a realistic expectation.
Even if it were "correct" as the way things should be, it's still far different from how things are.
So, it doesn't seem that helpful.

DA60 said:
And the faster Americans realize that - the faster the 'threat' of terrorism against Americans drops to practically nil.
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Terrorism against Americans comes from multiple sources.
ME terrorists are just the Kardashians of the sources.

DA60 said:
Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America than Iran could ever dream of being.
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Some sort of agree with you if you switch neocons to "US political dysfunction"
US political dysfunction outranked Iran, international terrorism, Russia, China and North Korea.
So, kind of a big deal it seems.

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Fenton said:
Oh BS, in 2011 Obama bragged about Iraq being " stable, soverign and democratic "
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Do you think it's wise for us to accept Obama's proclamations to be a reliable source of truth?

If not, why are you bring up Obama's assessment of the situation if it's not evidence of anything?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Iraq was relatively stable compared to some of its recent year, but stable in the sense of a stable country generally.
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Umm, I meant

Iraq was relatively stable compared to some of its recent years, but it was NOT stable in the sense of a stable country generally.
 
apdst said:
It has to do with Obama leading from behind for eight years. Obama delivered the ME to Iran on a silver platter.
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Wrong! It is the result of invading a Nation under false pretenses. Remember WMD. Saddam, the Boogie Man. Insinuations that Iraq was behind 9/11. Obama might have been a moron, but GWBush caused the Iraq debacle and owns the shame.
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Fenton said:
Lol !!! WaPo in its haste to attack Trump seems to have accidently reported the truth.
Yes, after 8 years of Obama's disastrous ME policies, and after his legacy defining Iran deal, Iran is more powerful than ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...a_story.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmodefinin

I begining to think empowering Iran and extremist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood was his intention all along.
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This all started when G.W. Bush put Iran's Shia brothers in charge of Iraq.

The USA gained nothing from Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq but Iran gained a lot.

The war also led to the creation of ISIS by Sunni Muslims who are looking for some pay-back for Bush's action in Iraq
 
Cardinal said:
Uh huh. And what will Trump do about Iran? Let's hear this "plan."
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For starters:
Trump slaps new sanctions on Iran after missile test - POLITICO

According to the Treasury Department release, the sanctions target “multiple entities and individuals involved in procuring technology and/or materials to support Iran’s ballistic missile program, as well as for acting for or on behalf of, or providing support to, Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force.”
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Youll have to ask Trump though. I dont imagine theyll talk about it till there is some details.
 
Praxas said:
He's put them on notice. :roll: Most likely will punish them like he's punished Russia for their hacking.....i.e. nothing.
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And already applied sanctions.

According to the Treasury Department release, the sanctions target “multiple entities and individuals involved in procuring technology and/or materials to support Iran’s ballistic missile program, as well as for acting for or on behalf of, or providing support to, Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force.”
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tres borrachos said:
So what does President Trump plan to do about Iran?
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Apply sanctions for starters.

According to the Treasury Department release, the sanctions target “multiple entities and individuals involved in procuring technology and/or materials to support Iran’s ballistic missile program, as well as for acting for or on behalf of, or providing support to, Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force.”
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Nilly said:
Can someone give me a history lesson and tell me why I should care if Iran is strong?

What have they done to us?
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They fund terrorism against us and our allies. They signed a treaty not to pursue nuclear weapons and then did. They capture American citizens and then hold them as hostages. They capture American soldiers and hold them as hostages, in violation of Geneva convention treaties they have signed. The list goes on and on.
 
DaveFagan said:
Wrong! It is the result of invading a Nation under false pretenses. Remember WMD. Saddam, the Boogie Man. Insinuations that Iraq was behind 9/11. Obama might have been a moron, but GWBush caused the Iraq debacle and owns the shame.
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We were attacked on 9/11 because we invaded a nation on false pretenses?
 
jonny5 said:
For starters:


Youll have to ask Trump though. I dont imagine theyll talk about it till there is some details.
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So in other words, Trump doesn't have any policies of his own. I thought he was supposed to shake things up, show us how the adults handle foreign policy.
 
apdst said:
We were attacked on 9/11 because we invaded a nation on false pretenses?
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It is common with dyslexia to change the arrangement of words. I'd have that checked if I were you. I said nothing remotely similar to what you are stating, and I suspect that you are fully aware of that fact and guily of distortion of the facts or outright lying.
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DaveFagan said:
It is common with dyslexia to change the arrangement of words. I'd have that checked if I were you. I said nothing remotely similar to what you are stating, and I suspect that you are fully aware of that fact and guily of distortion of the facts or outright lying.
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Well, there ya go; I blew your claim out of the water, so you immediately resort to insults.
 
Cardinal said:
Uh huh. And what will Trump do about Iran? Let's hear this "plan."
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He probably won't telegraph everything he's planning like your messiah did.
 
Cardinal said:
What would you like to see done?
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Like the British SAS sniper; every time an ISIS SOB raises his knife to hurt someone, he gets it through the head.
 
apdst said:
We were attacked on 9/11 because we invaded a nation on false pretenses?
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No.You've got the whole situation backwards.

After Al Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11 Bush decided to attack Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11and was no threat to the USA.

Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq did nothing for the USA but helped Iran by putting Iran's Shia brothers in charge there.The war also led to the creation of ISIS by some Sunni Muslims who are looking for revenge and power.

When will this come to an end?

Probably not anytime soon.

Wait and see.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch,running out of time,GOP.
 
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beerftw said:
What empowered iran was the fall of iraq and the destabilization of the region due to wars in libya and syria. It has almost entirely been sunni muslim extremists oppressing shia muslims, iran is a shia country and as libya fell and the syrian govt weakened, iran tends to stand as the last major country not run by sunni extremism.

The war in iraq also empowered iran, iraq is majority shia, but was run by the sunni baath party, but saddam took no sides with saudi arabia or iran, they were truly rogue. But saddam being opposed to both sides made either side fighting even through proxy nearly impossible.

When saddam fell the barrier between iran and saudi arabia became much smaller, leading both to try and influence iraq to expand their power.
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so, the iran deal had no effect?
 
shrubnose said:
No.You've got the whole situation backwards.

After Al Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11 Bush decided to attack Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11and was no threat to the USA.

Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq did nothing for the USA but helped Iran by putting Iran's Shia brothers in charge there.The war also led to the creation of ISIS by some Sunni Muslims who are looking for revenge and power.

When will this come to an end?

Probably not anytime soon.

Wait and see.
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No, I didn't get anything backwards. Fagan said we are being attacked by terrorists, because we, "invaded a nation under flase pretenses". I simply asked which nation we invaded under false pretenses, prior to 11 September, 2001.

Would you care to tackle the question?
 
apdst said:
No, I didn't get anything backwards. Fagan said we are being attacked by terrorists, because we, "invaded a nation under flase pretenses". I simply asked which nation we invaded under false pretenses, prior to 11 September, 2001.

Would you care to tackle the question?
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You need to do a lot of reading and research and get in touch with reality.

That's all that I have to say to you.



"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
Obama may not know Iran from Kenya or Chicago

But his surrogate brain Valerie Jarrett sure does

She was born in Iran and spoke Farsi
 
apdst said:
Well, there ya go; I blew your claim out of the water, so you immediately resort to insults.
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Do you even know the topic of this thread? Hint: It is not 911
 
shrubnose said:
You need to do a lot of reading and research and get in touch with reality.

That's all that I have to say to you.



"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
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I notice that you chose not to try to answer the poster's question.
 
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