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WaPo : Iran Stronger Than Ever

Fenton said:
Lol !!! WaPo in its haste to attack Trump seems to have accidently reported the truth.
Yes, after 8 years of Obama's disastrous ME policies, and after his legacy defining Iran deal, Iran is more powerful than ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...a_story.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmodefinin

I begining to think empowering Iran and extremist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood was his intention all along.
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I think to lump Iran in with extremist groups is assinine. The terrorist/ISIS/Wahabi/Salafist brotherhood in the MidEast is supported by Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is our ally. WTF? I don't like Iran, but Iran is being demonized in an organized fashion by the USA MSM. Same as Putin. Do your homework. Stop reading the headlines and start looking for news of the real World. Perception Management is to keep mythical enemies in your consciousness so that the need for weapons of war is not questioned. The same money could send people to college. The same money could feed the poor. The same money could be used to make small family farms profitable. Are we all morons to put up with this crap? Iran doesn't want war. Russia doesn't want war. China doesn't want war. Iraq doesn't want war. Syria doesn't want war. Libya doesn't want war. The USA, by definition and supported by real World action, wants war. "War is good business, and business is good." That's the USA mantra. Traumatic. Catharctic. Take off the blinders as see us as we are. The USA/CIA invented al Qaeda to foment insurrection in Afghanistan and give Russia a black eye. Al Qaeda/ISIS and does it ring any bells. We are aiding Saudi Arabia in Yemen and Saudi Arabia is the supporter of ISIS. That'd be the same ISIS as in Syria, Libya, Turkey, Qatar and points South East North and West, don't ya' know? Trump got sucked in by the Intelligence Agencies to do an attack in Yemen and now they will own him. He might get a taste for it, unfortunately. By the way, the Washington Post is going to report exactly what its' perception mangement tells it to and that translates to adjusting the truth to fit an agenda. It was perfected by Goebbels during the Nazi/fascist/Corporatism days.
 
beerftw said:
Um that shows it as a vacuum, after the soviets left it was never under a single govt, but rather 3 competing govts, plus alot of smaller factions. I was deployed to norther afghanistan, which has a heavy shia population plus some zoroastrians which were next to not existent everywhere in the world except iran due to islamic conquest.

In northern afghan in mazari shariff in the balk provice(ancient city of balk it is actually still there) was the last stronghold against the taliban, in which they killed numerous shia muslims, and when mazari shariff(or mezar e sharif literally even the locals are not sure how to spell it) the taliban gained full control of the country, and the last moderate govt fell to the taliban.

A power vacuum does not mean 100% of the country fell, it means there is no power structure, in the country as a whole or a given area. Exploiting a power vacuum is using the lack of govt to fuel your own, and other areas with govt were very weak in afghan except the northern region, which was the last to fall.
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You don't understand what, "in a vaccum", even means. Do you?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Afghanistan
 
apdst said:
It all boils down to The United States having a weak ass president for eight years.
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And you think Trump, who doesn't want the US to be the world police, is going to do what, exactly?
 
BTW, Iran is not stronger than ever militarily. They were FAR stronger before the Shah was overthrown (outside of nukes - which are useless since they can never use them without being obliterated).

Iran had their choice of almost anything America/the West had to offer militarily. They even had F-14's with Phoenix missiles (which no one in the world had besides the U.S. Navy). Back than, Iran had the most powerful military in the Middle East - even more so than Israel.
Now, almost all of their weapons systems are either INCREDIBLY old or based on old systems from the Shah days. Israel is now much more powerful conventionally than Iran.

No, other than nukes (which again, they can never use), they are FAR less powerful militarily than they were before the Shah was overthrown.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!! WaPo in its haste to attack Trump seems to have accidently reported the truth.
Yes, after 8 years of Obama's disastrous ME policies, and after his legacy defining Iran deal, Iran is more powerful than ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...a_story.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmodefinin

I begining to think empowering Iran and extremist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood was his intention all along.
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LOL Who defeated Iran's biggest enemy? Obama? Iran has been gaining power in the region ever since the fall of Saddam upset the balance of power there. Bush was the gift to Shiite extremists not Obama.
 
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!! WaPo in its haste to attack Trump seems to have accidently reported the truth.
Yes, after 8 years of Obama's disastrous ME policies, and after his legacy defining Iran deal, Iran is more powerful than ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...a_story.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmodefinin

I begining to think empowering Iran and extremist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood was his intention all along.
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Can someone give me a history lesson and tell me why I should care if Iran is strong?

What have they done to us?
 
Cardinal said:
Uh huh. And what will Trump do about Iran? Let's hear this "plan."
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It's going to be an UNBELIEVABLE, HUGE plan, that will be so great, I guarantee it!

On a more serious note, if Iran gets a nuke within the next four years, that will be on Trump. Period.
 
I am skeptical about claims of Iran's military power, in a showdown with the United States. I am also sure the jihadists who rule Iran are under no illusions about how a war with this country would turn out. I've always thought that a naval blockade must be high on the list of the U.S. military's contingency plans for dealing with Tehran. About 80% of Iran's economy depends on seaborne trade in oil, and its land pipelines could never carry more than a fraction of the volume carried in tankers. Also, Iran has a long coastline, most of which lies along a gulf with a narrow outlet, but only a weak navy.

The U.S. might set up a blockade along shipping routes leading to the Persian Gulf, but well outside the range of Iranian aircraft. It might allow unladen tankers bound for ports in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrein, Qatar, the UAE, etc. to take on cargo to proceed, but turn back any tanker bound for an Iranian port. Whatever loaded tankers were already in Iranian ports could be allowed to exit the Gulf, provided the regime in Tehran acquiesced in its humiliation. If it chose not to, what company would insure a cargo on a tanker it knew was trying to run a blockade by the U.S. navy? Tankers bringing oil from ports in other Gulf states would of course be allowed to sail out of the Gulf. In that way, seaborne oil traffic from other Gulf states might continue unimpeded, while similar traffic from Iran was brought to a halt. Few oil-exporting nations are ever exporting all they can, and I'm sure Iran's competitors would be happy to increase production to make up for the oil it was no longer supplying.

The U.S. Navy, despite years of neglect, is still the strongest one the world has ever seen. Any attempt by Iran to lift a U.S. blockade of the kind I described, or to attack tankers going to and from the ports of other Gulf states, would quickly leave Iran without any navy at all. Iran's ships, boats, and submarines might be destroyed at sea, or any in port at the time might simply be bottled up there by naval mines sown at the exits to those ports. A dozen or so B-52's could sow all the mines needed in a single night, and special forces might be infiltrated to help by fixing mines to sink the most important Iranian ships at anchor. Or, they might, with less risk, simply be sunk by bombs dropped unexpectedly at night from 40,000 feet by B-2's. As the fight went on, Iran would probably lose all the facilities associated with a navy --naval bases, drydocks, repair shops, storehouses, stores of munitions and fuel, radar sites, coastal defense batteries, communications centers, barracks, and so on.

I think a regime which had just been stripped of its entire navy, without much apparent effort, would quickly become anxious to please the nation which had just walked all over it.
 
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Fenton said:
I begining to think empowering Iran and extremist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood was his intention all along.
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It's a little microcosm of your entire thought process.
 
Nilly said:
Can someone give me a history lesson and tell me why I should care if Iran is strong?

What have they done to us?
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Oh I dont know, they might have threatened their neighbors a time or two with total annihilation, a neighbor that just so happens to be a huge US ally.

Oh and theres the whole leading State sponsor of terror thing, and destabiling one of the most volatile parts of the world

But since this all of this happened under Obama, who sold his Iran deal on the premise that it would weaken Irans Nuclear and ballisitic capabillities, you have nothing to worry about.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!! WaPo in its haste to attack Trump seems to have accidently reported the truth.
Yes, after 8 years of Obama's disastrous ME policies, and after his legacy defining Iran deal, Iran is more powerful than ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...a_story.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmodefinin

I begining to think empowering Iran and extremist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood was his intention all along.
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So what does President Trump plan to do about Iran?
 
Fenton said:
Oh I dont know, they might have threatened their neighbors a time or two with total annihilation, a neighbor that just so happens to be a huge US ally.

Oh and theres the whole leading State sponsor of terror thing, and destabiling one of the most volatile parts of the world

But since this all of this happened under Obama, who sold his Iran deal on the premise that it would weaken Irans Nuclear and ballisitic capabillities, you have nothing to worry about.
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Plenty of blame to go around. We can also blame Bush for destroying the country that was holding Iran in check.

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iguanaman said:
LOL Who defeated Iran's biggest enemy? Obama? Iran has been gaining power in the region ever since the fall of Saddam upset the balance of power there. Bush was the gift to Shiite extremists not Obama.
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Lol !! As if lifting their sanctions under a horrible deal Obama gave them a 400 million dollar ransom

The Obama administration printed up 400 million dollars, shipped it over to Switzerland so it could be turned into Francs and Euros ( so it could be laundered ) and then flew it to Iran

Didnt notify Congress and when the Congressional investigation ask Lynch to testify, she essentially pleaded the 5th.

The Obama administraion was corrupt on a unprecdented scale and no Im not just refering to 1.7 billion in cash payments to the worlds leading state sponsor of terror

Obama's ME policy had NOTHING to do with balancing out ME power and everything to do with empowering radical Islamic elements and groups like the Muslim Brotherhood
 
uncleray said:
Plenty of blame to go around. We can also blame Bush for destroying the country that was holding Iran in check.

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Oh BS, in 2011 Obama bragged about Iraq being " stable, soverign and democratic ", then pulled out all stabilizing US military assets and then did nothing for the next 5 years as ISIS ran roughshod through once liberated Iraqi towns killing women, children and men

He did nothing as Syria descended into civil war, ( he drew a red line ) a civil war that facilitated the spread of a " JV " team that destabilized the region.
The refugee crisis spread to Western Europe right along with radical Islamic elements that killed innocent Europeans.

There were open elections in Iraq when Bush left office. Obama's ME policy was centered around empowering radical Islamic elements and groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.
He assisted and or openly supported the removal of secular regimes for the purpose of installing theocracies under the pretense of " Democracy "

You can spin what he did to the ME, it along with his healthcare law will define one of the worst Presidential legacies in our Nationa history
 
DA60 said:
Iran has been the Boogie Man for ages now.

They are no direct threat to America and they have killed infinitely less innocent civilians than America has since 9/11.

Iran is not the largest exporter of terror in the world - America is.

What Iran does is none of America's business and what the Middle East does is none of America's business.

And the faster Americans realize that - the faster the 'threat' of terrorism against Americans drops to practically nil.

Neocons are FAR more of a threat to America than Iran could ever dream of being.
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Wow... that's the most radically out there view I've seen in a while.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!! WaPo in its haste to attack Trump seems to have accidently reported the truth.
Yes, after 8 years of Obama's disastrous ME policies, and after his legacy defining Iran deal, Iran is more powerful than ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...a_story.html?client=ms-android-hms-tmodefinin

I begining to think empowering Iran and extremist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood was his intention all along.
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The invasion of Iraq in 2003 tipped the balance of power in the region heavily in Iran's favor.
This increase in relative region power combined with their already existent, stabilizing human infrastructure in Iraq—many Iraqi dissidents took shelter in Iran, Iran hosted the main Iraqi opposition parties—and their opposition the "werewolves" operating in Iraq, caused Iran to be seen as a necessary partner for stabilizing the region.

The Bush Admin "friend" Chalabi worked with Iranian intelligence to disseminate bad intel to the Bush Admin and to help funnel intel from the Bsuh Admin back to the Iranians.
When the DIA raided the Chalabi compound, they had to keep their plans a secret from senior members of the Bush Admin.
Arras Kareem habib


I just bring this up for the benefit of passersby.
If you find it plausible that a US president was working for the Muslim brotherhood, you may not be interested to hear that the Bush Admin was played by Iran.
But passersby may be interested to learn those facts.
 
tres borrachos said:
So what does President Trump plan to do about Iran?
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He's put them on notice. :roll: Most likely will punish them like he's punished Russia for their hacking.....i.e. nothing.
 
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