• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump may soon sign executive order re-vamping H-1B visa program

ALiberalModerate

ALiberalModerate

Pragmatist
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 23, 2005
Messages
32,467
Reaction score
22,711
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Moderate
The Trump administration has drafted an executive order that would change the way H-1B visas are used. H-1Bs are widely used in the tech industry to hire foreign workers.“Our country’s immigration policies should be designed and implemented to serve, first and foremost, the U.S. national interest,” the draft reads, according to Bloomberg, which has viewed the copy and first reported on the matter. “Visa programs for foreign workers... should be administered in a manner that protects the civil rights of American workers and current lawful residents, and that prioritizes the protection of American workers—our forgotten working people—and the jobs they hold.”
usinesses would have to try to hire American first. If they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid, according to the Bloomberg report.
Click to expand...

Read more here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...executive-order-re-vamping-h-1b-visa-program/

I am 100% behind them on this. Companies have been abusing the H1B program for years. Personally, I think the program should be limited to research institution positions only. There are 320 million people in this country. The notion that you cannot find someone to do a job here is ridiculous. These Indian Contracting firms work with HR departments in some tech companies to write job descriptions in such a way that no one would have the skill set.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...executive-order-re-vamping-h-1b-visa-program/

I am 100% behind them on this. Companies have been abusing the H1B program for years. Personally, I think the program should be limited to research institution positions only. There are 320 million people in this country. The notion that you cannot find someone to do a job here is ridiculous. These Indian Contracting firms work with HR departments in some tech companies to write job descriptions in such a way that no one would have the skill set.
Click to expand...

Sounds like a good idea. It says there are already things like this floating in congress in committee. I'd kinda rather one of those gets passed and perfected rather than Trump sign an EO possibly without consulting anybody and ****ing everything up.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...executive-order-re-vamping-h-1b-visa-program/

I am 100% behind them on this. Companies have been abusing the H1B program for years. Personally, I think the program should be limited to research institution positions only. There are 320 million people in this country. The notion that you cannot find someone to do a job here is ridiculous. These Indian Contracting firms work with HR departments in some tech companies to write job descriptions in such a way that no one would have the skill set.
Click to expand...

The answer would be a shift of high end jobs out of the country. This has already happened to some extent and the more onerous the regulation is, the quicker it will happen.
 
Sounds like something that can be done to benefit of all, but would need to be well thought out and implemented.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Sounds like a good idea. It says there are already things like this floating in congress in committee. I'd kinda rather one of those gets passed and perfected rather than Trump sign an EO possibly without consulting anybody and ****ing everything up.
Click to expand...

We shifted large numbers of high end jobs from frankfurt and paris to London. We had to pay more, but the best personnel was available there. Capital always has to connect to the best people. So, if it is no longer in the US. ...
 
joG said:
We shifted large numbers of high end jobs from frankfurt and paris to London. We had to pay more, but the best personnel was available there. Capital always has to connect to the best people. So, if it is no longer in the US. ...
Click to expand...

This forum has a decidedly America-last bent

I guess its all the globalists in foreign countries posting here
 
Probably long overdue, the program has been a political tool for corporatism for way too long now.
 
Mac77 said:
This forum has a decidedly America-last bent

I guess its all the globalists in foreign countries posting here
Click to expand...

Of course, the more team in London consisted of french, syrian, lebanese, german, indian, swedish, polish, scotish, american, canadian..... We brought in people from everywhere.
 
joG said:
We shifted large numbers of high end jobs from frankfurt and paris to London. We had to pay more, but the best personnel was available there. Capital always has to connect to the best people. So, if it is no longer in the US. ...
Click to expand...

there are plenty of people in the US. that can do these jobs.
look at Disney they already had a work force that was doing the job.

they fired all of them and turned around and hired all H1B people why? to cut costs it had nothing to do with job skills.
 
joG said:
The answer would be a shift of high end jobs out of the country. This has already happened to some extent and the more onerous the regulation is, the quicker it will happen.
Click to expand...
The Abuses of the H1B program has been for companies to say an American with viable skills could not be found, so they had to get a
candidate from overseas. The problem is that the overseas candidate is willing to take much less for the position,
because they are getting sponsored to work in the US, something of great value.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...executive-order-re-vamping-h-1b-visa-program/

I am 100% behind them on this. Companies have been abusing the H1B program for years. Personally, I think the program should be limited to research institution positions only. There are 320 million people in this country. The notion that you cannot find someone to do a job here is ridiculous. These Indian Contracting firms work with HR departments in some tech companies to write job descriptions in such a way that no one would have the skill set.
Click to expand...


Not always the case, my company has lots of H1B employees, and to comply with the law, we pay them equally or more. In fact, during a federal audit they complained that the H1B's got more money, we explained that we have to pay prevailing wage. Some companies may pay less, but we don't.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...executive-order-re-vamping-h-1b-visa-program/

I am 100% behind them on this. Companies have been abusing the H1B program for years. Personally, I think the program should be limited to research institution positions only. There are 320 million people in this country. The notion that you cannot find someone to do a job here is ridiculous. These Indian Contracting firms work with HR departments in some tech companies to write job descriptions in such a way that no one would have the skill set.
Click to expand...

As someone who has worked in 'tech' for decades, what he is alleged to be trying to do there would get much applause from me. I have seen the H1-B system abuse up close. It's basically a way for companies to pull in lower paid virtual indentured servants to replace American workers. These are not jobs Americans won't or can't do. During the tech bubble, the influx of these people seemed to be necessary at times, but that era is long gone.

Being cynical - look for Trump to walk it back after the industry muscle tells him which way is up. I would love to be wrong...
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Read more here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...executive-order-re-vamping-h-1b-visa-program/

I am 100% behind them on this. Companies have been abusing the H1B program for years. Personally, I think the program should be limited to research institution positions only. There are 320 million people in this country. The notion that you cannot find someone to do a job here is ridiculous. These Indian Contracting firms work with HR departments in some tech companies to write job descriptions in such a way that no one would have the skill set.
Click to expand...

Yeah, as I pointed out in the last thread you started about H1B, the program as I have experienced it has been a way of companies getting cheap labor, not more skilled labor.
 
beefheart said:
Not always the case, my company has lots of H1B employees, and to comply with the law, we pay them equally or more. In fact, during a federal audit they complained that the H1B's got more money, we explained that we have to pay prevailing wage. Some companies may pay less, but we don't.
Click to expand...
If you look at those with H1B's, ask yourself how many of those jobs could you not find an American with the necessary skills(at any cost).
Companies Using H1B program are basically saying "we were unable to find an American with this skill set!".
 
Porkuloss said:
Being cynical - look for Trump to walk it back after the industry muscle tells him which way is up. I would love to be wrong...
Click to expand...

Well he already walked back his promise to do some tough negotiations to reduce the costs of pharmaceuticals. He instead got on his knees and promised them big tax cuts. More trickle down. Yellow, stinky trickle.
 
beefheart said:
Not always the case, my company has lots of H1B employees, and to comply with the law, we pay them equally or more. In fact, during a federal audit they complained that the H1B's got more money, we explained that we have to pay prevailing wage. Some companies may pay less, but we don't.
Click to expand...

Then your company will not be impacted by the potential changes in the H1B program.
 
Well, I'll give credit where credit's due:

Good job, Trump! Keep it up!

(I'll try to refrain from comments about broken clocks :2razz:)
 
joG said:
The answer would be a shift of high end jobs out of the country. This has already happened to some extent and the more onerous the regulation is, the quicker it will happen.
Click to expand...

Hardly. Most companies have found it to be very difficult to manage development projects when the programmers are halfway around the globe. What is being outsourced in terms of development are rudimentary crap that no one wants to do domestically.
 
joG said:
We shifted large numbers of high end jobs from frankfurt and paris to London. We had to pay more, but the best personnel was available there. Capital always has to connect to the best people. So, if it is no longer in the US. ...
Click to expand...

The best IT talent on earth is already in the United States. Its the one sector that we flat out dominate.
 
joG said:
We shifted large numbers of high end jobs from frankfurt and paris to London. We had to pay more, but the best personnel was available there. Capital always has to connect to the best people. So, if it is no longer in the US. ...
Click to expand...


The H1B is not used for hiring the best people by major corporations anymore its for hiring cheaper replacements ala Disney.
 
ludin said:
there are plenty of people in the US. that can do these jobs.
look at Disney they already had a work force that was doing the job.

they fired all of them and turned around and hired all H1B people why? to cut costs it had nothing to do with job skills.
Click to expand...
Exactly.

At one of my former employers, a Fortune 30 tech giant at that, they not only brought in Indian software engineers, but forced the current SEs to train the new SEs under duress - threatening to withhold severance and other separation benefits! It was the ultimate slap in the face.

So I'm a 100% behind Trump here, and will give credit where it's due.
 
joG said:
The answer would be a shift of high end jobs out of the country. This has already happened to some extent and the more onerous the regulation is, the quicker it will happen.
Click to expand...
That's a fair point though, Jo.

And coupled with his proposed trade tariffs, this could be problematic.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Sounds like a good idea. It says there are already things like this floating in congress in committee. I'd kinda rather one of those gets passed and perfected rather than Trump sign an EO possibly without consulting anybody and ****ing everything up.
Click to expand...

You almost said something positive about Trump, and then you didn't. No surprise.
 
beefheart said:
Not always the case, my company has lots of H1B employees, and to comply with the law, we pay them equally or more. In fact, during a federal audit they complained that the H1B's got more money, we explained that we have to pay prevailing wage. Some companies may pay less, but we don't.
Click to expand...

What positions do you need to use the H1B for? Is it because of lack of local talent?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom