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Refugee ban could be used as ISIL recruiting tool, some say

Cardinal said:
I know from past experience debating you that you have the self-awareness to know what I'm saying.
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I truly don't. self awareness has nothing to do with it. It's your bat-**** crazy argument, and strawmen I am having issue with.
 
reinoe said:
That's exactly what liberals want...and they're willing to work with terrorists to make it happen. If they state can control people's behavior then liberals are all for it.
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Bull****.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Targeting and bombing the **** out of them like obama has done? Sure.


restricting refugees, that make you crazy if that turns you.
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Wait. Lets make sure we are correct. Restricting refugees for 6 months was FINE...as long as it was Obama doing the restricting.
 
reinoe said:
Actually liberals constantly calling the EO a "Muslim ban" when it's really not can be used as an Isis recruiting tool.

If Isis does use this as a recruiting tool then it'll be exactly what I've been saying for months now: that liberals are working in conjunction with terrorist to hurt America.
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Okay, I'm going to have to call you on this. Many liberals are ignorant, slimy assholes.........but I don't believe this. Liberals are definitely hurting America, whether they know it or not.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you think becasue we as you say "broad brush them with crazies", that it's justifiable that "peaceful muslims" would be so simply turned into "those crazies" and that's why we should let them in.


Nice ****ing login you got there. :lol:
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No, i didn't say they will be transformed into crazies.

When we do good things, people will think we are good.

When we do bad things, people will think we are bad.

This isn't rocket science, in fact i thought it would go without saying, but here we are.
 
Eric7216 said:
Did you read your linked article? Trump may have wanted a "Muslim" ban but since that is illegal he did what Obama did earlier and banned people based on their country. And used the list of countries from Obama's DHS. Has Trump publically called it a Muslim ban since he signed the EO?
Loved Glen Kessler's comments on twitter that when Obama did it the press was asleep and did not know about it and claimed that it was a Muslim banned when, at this point, that has not been demonstrated.
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First, my point was about Trump's state of mind (or heart, if he has one).... Trump referred to this as a muslim ban. He just tried to "make it legal". Matthew 5 tells us its the heart that matters, not the legal structure.

Second, Obama did not ban people from these 7 countries. These countries were listed on DHS travel warnings. Persons traveling to/fr those countries did get extra attention when crossing the border, but no one was banned such as Trump is doing here. (though I do concede there was a temporary ban on issuing visas to Iraqi's in 2011.)

Sorry, Mr. President: The Obama Administration Did Nothing Similar to Your Immigration Ban | Foreign Policy
Fact check: Trump's claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama's in 2011 - Chicago Tribune
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ilar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.3a661e8293c6
 
RickJames3000 said:
Where are all the gun nuts with their impeccable logic?

"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns."

Well... let's apply that here...
Terrorists are the group least likely to honor the ban on immigrants.

Do you think they will see their home nation on the list, and decide it isn't worth it to try and enter the nation?

Not surprisingly, Trump takes the most idiotic approach to the issue. He's only keeping the good guys (the ones that follow the protocol to enter the nation) out.... the ones that pay attention within their ethnic enclaves and report suspicious activities, thus presenting an important bulwark against terrorism.
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They can be hired as interpreters, or possibly spies. When W ramrodded Iraq, we were scrambling for interpreters and couldn't find very many.
 
scatt said:
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Do you actually think, there is any good opinion of the USA, in the recruiting pool for Daesh. The problem, is that under Obama, we just sat on our hands and hoped it would go away.

And what do you think? Posting a social media droid opinion that makes it up, is hardly debate.

Beware Fake News!

Just yesterday, the NBC reported Trump had kicked senior security leaders out of "meetings." All lies. The memo merely makes it optional for these persons, if it is just a meeting on a pipeline or the EPA, for instance.

Just lies... All of it. The press is in the business of lying for pickup by social media.

Former defense secretary: 'Big mistake' for Trump to exclude members of NSC....
NBCNews.com · 1 day ago
 
Eric7216 said:
Did you read your linked article? Trump may have wanted a "Muslim" ban but since that is illegal he did what Obama did earlier and banned people based on their country. And used the list of countries from Obama's DHS. Has Trump publically called it a Muslim ban since he signed the EO?
Loved Glen Kessler's comments on twitter that when Obama did it the press was asleep and did not know about it and claimed that it was a Muslim banned when, at this point, that has not been demonstrated.
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Of course this measure does not apply only to Muslim aliens, but rather to aliens from certain specified nations. To portray it falsely as an attack on Muslims may help jihadist groups recruit new members. But even if Mr. Trump had acted to exclude all Muslim aliens, I do not see what part of the Constitution that action would have violated. I have never thought it would be a wise policy to exclude aliens solely because of their religion, but many bad policies are completely constitutional.

I approve of Mr. Trump's order. The stream of aliens entering U.S. territory from the nations specified would almost certainly be polluted with some number of jihadists bent on murdering Americans. Making it harder for jihadists to enter this country is not a complete solution to the problem of protecting our people from them--far from it--but it is at least a beginning.
 
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reinoe said:
Actually liberals constantly calling the EO a "Muslim ban" when it's really not can be used as an Isis recruiting tool.

If Isis does use this as a recruiting tool then it'll be exactly what I've been saying for months now: that liberals are working in conjunction with terrorist to hurt America.
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Yeah, the general plan by Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) is: Mischaracterize Trump policy in a report --> Foment rage based on micharacterization --> Report on Rage based on mischaracterization --> Blame Trump for rage.
 
upsideguy said:
Only that I have to put up the manchild antics of this buffoon for 2 years.
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We had to put up with manchild antics of YOUR buffoon for 8 years , your turn ! :lol:
 
RickJames3000 said:
Where are all the gun nuts with their impeccable logic?

"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns."

Well... let's apply that here...
Terrorists are the group least likely to honor the ban on immigrants.

Do you think they will see their home nation on the list, and decide it isn't worth it to try and enter the nation?

Not surprisingly, Trump takes the most idiotic approach to the issue. He's only keeping the good guys (the ones that follow the protocol to enter the nation) out.... the ones that pay attention within their ethnic enclaves and report suspicious activities, thus presenting an important bulwark against terrorism.
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Did you think that out before you posted?
 
 
apdst said:
Did you think that out before you posted?
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Sure.
Other than considering my audience. I overshot.
I tried to use simple terms that you might understand.

Oh well.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Sure.
Other than considering my audience. I overshot.
I tried to use simple terms that you might understand.

Oh well.
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How about we abolish DUI laws, because drunk drivers are the group least likely to honor those laws.
 
upsideguy said:
First, my point was about Trump's state of mind (or heart, if he has one).... Trump referred to this as a muslim ban. He just tried to "make it legal". Matthew 5 tells us its the heart that matters, not the legal structure.

Second, Obama did not ban people from these 7 countries. These countries were listed on DHS travel warnings. Persons traveling to/fr those countries did get extra attention when crossing the border, but no one was banned such as Trump is doing here. (though I do concede there was a temporary ban on issuing visas to Iraqi's in 2011.)

Sorry, Mr. President: The Obama Administration Did Nothing Similar to Your Immigration Ban | Foreign Policy
Fact check: Trump's claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama's in 2011 - Chicago Tribune
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ilar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.3a661e8293c6
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Fortunately one's heart is irrelevant in a society ruled by laws. The qualitative difference is not how many countries one temporarily bans but whether or not it is appropriate and legal to temporarily ban people from one country. One country or seven matters little. There is a reason why these states were included. They are, arguably, failed states with limited control over their own people and minimal record keeping.
If Trump wanted to ban Muslims, he could have picked the other 9 of the 10 most populated Muslim countries. Only Iran is in the top 10. The other 9 make up c. half of all Muslims.
FWIW, Obama dropped bombs on 5 of those 7 countries. I would rather be temporarily denied entry into the US than have bombs falling on me, if I were a citizen of one of those countries.
 
Recruiting tool?

ISIS is still pissed they lost Spain 500 years ago. They don't need more incentive.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
So? **** ISIS

I'm no coward. Changing our behavior for fear of them is the only way they can win.
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lol. TSA, HLS, Patriot Act, Real ID Act, etc. We've been playing to fear for quite some time now. This is just another step towards that end.
 
Absentglare said:
We're not supposed to be the good guys from ISIS' point of view, we're supposed to be the good guys from all those non-violent, non-militant Muslims.
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If they cant see we are the good guys then those twits deserve what they get. The ass kissing is getting us nowhere fast.
 
I dont think it would turn any muslims hostile. The ones that would be affected by it would be sad. It does make Trump look a little creepy though.

 
PirateMk1 said:
If they cant see we are the good guys then those twits deserve what they get. The ass kissing is getting us nowhere fast.
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If we can't see the good guys (non-violent Muslim refugees) from the bad guys (ISIS), then we aren't good guys, ourselves.
 
 
Ikari said:
lol. TSA, HLS, Patriot Act, Real ID Act, etc. We've been playing to fear for quite some time now. This is just another step towards that end.
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Did you see post #20 where I named the Patriot Act as an example of this?
 
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