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Senior Secret Service agent suggests she wouldn't take 'a bullet' for Trump

upsideguy said:
um, one unprofessional & immature taking a bullet for another unprofessional & immature.
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i wonder what you would have said if an agent made the same comment about Obama?
 
trblmkr said:
It costs a lot to train an agent. She doesn't protect Trump, so her quoted reluctance to take a bullet for him is irrelevant and I would suggest, not likely if the situation were to actually occur. Recent actions by current agents have put some pretty questionable behavior and personal failings on display. O'Grady has stood up, said her piece and seems ready to accept the consequences of her statements. In this age of denial and deflection, I will not condemn her for speaking her mind. It is, after all, her right.
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I couldn't disagree more strongly: Her reluctance to take a bullet is everything. Other agents' questionable behavior and personal failings have nothing to do with what this Agent in Charge has done and said.

Don't try to cast this woman as some sort of hero because she "spoke her mind." She deliberately violated the Hatch Act. Whether it's this or FERPA or HIPAA or whatever, jobs do spell out constraints on public behavior. And choices have consequences. What she did was colossally stupid and recklessly immature, and she did know better.
 
TurtleDude said:
i wonder what you would have said if an agent made the same comment about Obama?
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ol they would have been all up in arms calling for their head on a pike.
rightly so of course.

Their job is to protect the president.

I do believe there is a morality clause in their agreement, but other than that.
 
DA60 said:
'A senior U.S. Secret Service agent posted Facebook condemnations of President Trump during the past seven months, including one in which she said she wouldn't want to "take a bullet" for him.
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Then leave your position, and be viewed as the disgrace that you should be viewed as. In my line of work I've met a large amount of individuals who have spent time as Secret Service agents. Most served through a variety of Presidents, some they liked and agreed with and others they did not. But they did their damn job, because that was the oath they swore. If you were in a job like that for partisan reasons, then you're there for the wrong reasons.

You know what I view as a disaster? I view her as a federal LEO as a disaster. I'm glad she's being honest here; leave, you don't deserve the badge if you can't uphold your sworn oath. Don't make these kind of statements then cling to your federal job.

If you feel this morally strong about it, I'm happy to see you walk away. But forgive me if I don't think this is an entirely "morality" type thing and not a partisan political whining thing, given that her message wasn't simply her disagreement with Trump but her continued endorsement of Clinton.
 
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nota bene said:
O'Grady hasn't yet resigned. She has said she wouldn't 'shirk" her duty and kinda sorta that her public posting wasn't the right choice: “It was an internal struggle for me, but as soon as I put it up, I thought it was not the sentiment that I needed to share because I care very deeply about the mission.” http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...uldnt-take-bullet-trump-4.html#post1066809603
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I absolutely hope they throw the book at her if she's not resigning. She's a disgrace to the badge and sullies the name of the host of Secret Service agents that put partisanship aside and serve this country proudly.
 
Zyphlin said:
I absolutely hope they throw the book at her if she's not resigning. She's a disgrace to the badge and sullies the name of the host of Secret Service agents that put partisanship aside and serve this country proudly.
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There may have been other complaints because among her FB "friends" were current and former Secret Service agents, but one complaint was lodged against O'Grady in October. The more I think about this and O'Grady's "I stand with her" [Hillary Clinton], the more I wonder if part of her motivation was the hope of a reward for her "courage" once Clinton was elected.

No matter what her motivation, I remain stunned that a 46-year old Secret Service supervisor, a regional Agent in Charge, did this. She lacks the right stuff.
 
Zyphlin said:
I absolutely hope they throw the book at her if she's not resigning. She's a disgrace to the badge and sullies the name of the host of Secret Service agents that put partisanship aside and serve this country proudly.
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One) to my knowledge, you have never been in the SS - so, imo, you have not earned the right to decide what is and what is not 'disgraceful' behavior when in the SS. Others that worked with her - sure. But not you or I. And I do not care if you were in the military (as I was - the reserves) or you are/were a cop or anything similar...it is not the same as the SS.
I used to race cars - assuming you have never done that - do you think you have the expertise or have even earned the right to tell me if I have disgraced myself or not behind the wheel? Because I say you have not. You can say you disagree what I have done or that I acted immorally. But unless you have raced and especially raced my/similar class of car (Formula 2000) - you have no idea what it is like and so are in no position whatsoever to judge whether my actions are/were 'disgraceful' or not - on that basis (the same with the SS).

Two) if she actually protected Trump and felt this way - than she was morally wrong...VERY wrong IN MY OPINION. She gave her word and went against it without telling anyone.
But if she never was assigned to Trump and made sure her superiors knew this before she was assigned to him - then she did nothing wrong...her actions hurt or endangered no one.
Clearly, she is no longer right for the job...but I do not see her - based on what little I know of the situation - as a disgrace.

And I am not interested in your reaction to my post because you obviously do not agree...and I doubt your mind is open on this subject based on your above post. So further discussion with you is pointless to me on this.


We are done here.

Good day.
 
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Zyphlin said:
I absolutely hope they throw the book at her if she's not resigning. She's a disgrace to the badge and sullies the name of the host of Secret Service agents that put partisanship aside and serve this country proudly.
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I don't think she is a disgrace, a disgrace would be to stay on the job and not do it when the time came. I do not think the SS is for her anymore though and she should leave. I agree she is "grandstanding" for partisan reasons though and should have just resigned silently IMO.

However, this brings to mind if you think she is a disgrace, how do you feel about the SS agents and those that worked closely with Clinton breaking their oaths spouting off private details for book deals and such?
 
upsideguy said:
um, one unprofessional & immature taking a bullet for another unprofessional & immature.
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That's their job. If they won't take the bullet they won't do their job. It isn't about protecting "Trump". It is about protecting our govt and our president, regardless of who that president is.
 
DA60 said:
One) to my knowledge, you have never been in the SS - so, imo, you have not earned the right to decide what is and what is not 'disgraceful' behavior when in the SS. Others that worked with her - sure. But not you or I. And I do not care if you were in the military (as I was - the reserves) or you are/were a cop or anything similar...it is not the same as the SS.
I used to race cars - assuming you have never done that - do you think you have the expertise or have even earned the right to tell me if I have disgraced myself or not behind the wheel? Because I say you have not. You can say you disagree what I have done or that I acted immorally. But unless you have raced and especially raced my/similar class of car (Formula 2000) - you have no idea what it is like and so are in no position whatsoever to judge whether my actions are/were 'disgraceful' or not - on that basis (the same with the SS).

Two) if she actually protected Trump and felt this way - than she was morally wrong...VERY wrong IN MY OPINION. She gave her word and went against it without telling anyone.
But if she never was assigned to Trump and made sure her superiors knew this before she was assigned to him - then she did nothing wrong...her actions hurt or endangered no one.
Clearly, she is no longer right for the job...but I do not see her - based on what little I know of the situation - as a disgrace.

And I am not interested in your reaction to my post because you obviously do not agree...and I doubt your mind is open on this subject based on your above post. So further discussion with you is pointless to me on this.


We are done here.

Good day.
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That is a very fine appeal to authority. If we aren't SS, we cant have a valid opinion? Disagree. We understand what their duty is and what they have to do to fulfill it. Her comments disqualified her from field service and is a PR black eye for the agency. She has violated her path of service and has publicly campaigned. She should be dismissed from the Secret Service.
 
TurtleDude said:
i wonder what you would have said if an agent made the same comment about Obama?
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NonoBadDog said:
That's their job. If they won't take the bullet they won't do their job. It isn't about protecting "Trump". It is about protecting our govt and our president, regardless of who that president is.
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No question. I was not suggesting otherwise, just having fun with the post that I responded to...

Yes, if the agent does not believe she can do what is expected of her, she needs to either resign or remove herself from the presidential detail. We can't have the man-child hurt because she won't do her job.
 
upsideguy said:
No question. I was not suggesting otherwise, just having fun with the post that I responded to...

Yes, if the agent does not believe she can do what is expected of her, she needs to either resign or remove herself from the presidential detail. We can't have the man-child hurt because she won't do her job.
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This is especially bad because she is the SAC of that office. Nice leadership. We'll protect the President to a point, but when the bullets start flying, it's aok to get out of the way and leave the President vulnerable.

Go work for Hillary, since she declared that "I'm with Her".
 
RetiredUSN said:
I am certainly glad that the military doesn't pick and choose in the manner this lady did.

We wouldn't have been able to get a single ship underway in the past 8 years, or deploy our troops..
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So you would take a bullet for a ship?
 
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