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Obama’s Final Whopper as President

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He claimed that other countries don’t have voter-ID laws, though many do.

President Obama is known for telling some whoppers — “If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it” is perhaps the most infamous – so it shouldn’t surprise anyone that he told a final one as president right before leaving office last week.

At his final press conference, Obama promised that he would continue to fight voter-ID laws and other measures designed to improve voting integrity. The U.S. is “the only country among advanced democracies that makes it harder to vote,” he claimed. “It traces directly back to Jim Crow and the legacy of slavery, and it became sort of acceptable to restrict the franchise. . . . This whole notion of election-voting fraud, this is something that has constantly been disproved. This is fake news.”
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I guess someone forgot to tell Obama that MOST countries in the world, including Mexico and Canada, require voter ID with a photo on it. Mexico's ID even requires a thumb print.

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Britain was one of the few industrialized countries, besides the United States, that did not require a voter ID. That changed last month because they were experiencing so much voter fraud. In a recent Washington Post poll, 66% of Independents, 60% of Democrats, 65% of African Americans, and 64% of Hispanics favored some type of voter ID.

And in case you are one of those that don't believe voter fraud is an issue, I suggest you look at this link.

Obama also seems to forget that it was Democrats in the south that implemented Jim Crow laws to keep blacks from voting, but of course, history was never his strong point.

Read more at: Obama Lies on Voter ID: Many Countries Require It | National Review
 
Gill said:
I guess someone forgot to tell Obama that MOST countries in the world, including Mexico and Canada, require voter ID with a photo on it. Mexico's ID even requires a thumb print.

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Britain was one of the few industrialized countries, besides the United States, that did not require a voter ID. That changed last month because they were experiencing so much voter fraud. In a recent Washington Post poll, 66% of Independents, 60% of Democrats, 65% of African Americans, and 64% of Hispanics favored some type of voter ID.

And in case you are one of those that don't believe voter fraud is an issue, I suggest you look at this link.

Obama also seems to forget that it was Democrats in the south that implemented Jim Crow laws to keep blacks from voting, but of course, history was never his strong point.

[FONT=&]Read more at: Obama Lies on Voter ID: Many Countries Require It | National Review[/FONT]
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I think it is rather feather brained not to have Foto ID for voting in a high mobility country. All Obama and the civil rights people did was polarize the situation.
 
Gill said:
I guess someone forgot to tell Obama that MOST countries in the world, including Mexico and Canada, require voter ID with a photo on it. Mexico's ID even requires a thumb print.
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The U.S. is “the only country among advanced democracies that makes it harder to vote,” he claimed.
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Are you arguing Mexico has an "advanced democracy"?
 
americanwoman said:
Are you arguing Mexico has an "advanced democracy"?
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No, I'm saying that most "advanced countries" have a voter ID, and even Mexico has a very stringent voter ID requirement.

Understand now??
 
Obama is saying my wife should be able to walk into any voting station in the USA anonymously with a bag over her head, and vote because there is nothing anyone can do to challenge her.
 
I figured his final whopper was wishing Trump "good luck". :)
 
I don't have a huge problem with voter ID if it is free and can be applied for and issued at the polling stations. The ID issued at the polling station would likely be a temp one allowing the voter to vote that particular day with the more sophisticated ID being sent in the mail.
 
americanwoman said:
I understand perfectly.

You think Mexican voting and government is comparable to our country and because they have a very stringent voter ID law, we should have one too.

I am only saying a better argument for that would not be to point out Mexico, because they don't have a comparable advanced democracy as we do.

I am just going by what Obama actually said about advanced democracies, not advanced countries. :shrug:


Barack Obama, in Austin, says U.S. only 'advanced democracy' that makes voting harder | PolitiFact Texas



Plus, his final whopper? Obama saying that goes back to March 11, 2016. :lamo Understand??
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No, actually you don't understand. I never said Mexican voting and government was similar to ours. I said that even Mexico, as well as most of the countries in the world with an advanced democracy like Britain and Canada, have a voter ID requirement.

I have no idea what you are talking about with March 11, 2016. Obama said this at his final press conference last week, just like the linked article says.

And no, you still don't understand.
 
americanwoman said:
Are you arguing Mexico has an "advanced democracy"?
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Mexico is one of those fun ones that gets included when it is convenient to do so, and left out when it is not.

The next time you see one of those "richest countries in the world" lists that talks about socialized medicine, realize that the list of 20 countries usually excludes Mexico (15th), Russia (12th), and Brazil (9th). Or gun violence statistics among "developed nations" designed to show how violent the US is comparitively, which invariably excludes the same three.
 
Gill said:
I have no idea what you are talking about with March 11, 2016. Obama said this at his final press conference last week, just like the linked article says.
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President Barack Obama, kicking off Austin’s 2016 South by Southwest Interactive conference, drew a laugh after saying: "We’re the only advanced democracy in the world that makes it harder for people to vote."
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Barack Obama, in Austin, says U.S. only 'advanced democracy' that makes voting harder | PolitiFact Texas

This is not a final lie, as he has been saying this since last year.


I just don't think pointing out Mexico has strict voter ID laws we should too.

Considering I could give the mayor of any Mexico city $10 to look the other way when I vote if I don't have any ID, should we follow that lead well?
 
Gill said:
No, actually you don't understand. I never said Mexican voting and government was similar to ours. I said that even Mexico, as well as most of the countries in the world with an advanced democracy like Britain and Canada, have a voter ID requirement.

I have no idea what you are talking about with March 11, 2016. Obama said this at his final press conference last week, just like the linked article says.

And no, you still don't understand.
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americanwoman said:
Barack Obama, in Austin, says U.S. only 'advanced democracy' that makes voting harder | PolitiFact Texas

This is not a final lie, as he has been saying this since last year.


I just don't think pointing out Mexico has strict voter ID laws we should too.

Considering I could give the mayor of any Mexico city $10 to look the other way when I vote if I don't have any ID, should we follow that lead well?
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Gill, just say "Yes Dear". :mrgreen:
 
joG said:
I think it is rather feather brained not to have Foto ID for voting in a high mobility country. All Obama and the civil rights people did was polarize the situation.
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OK, then you can show that more relaxed definitions of ID caused problems that strict "photo" ID fix, correct? Link please!

You best let the people who pushed photo IDs know because when challenged in court to demonstrate narrow lists of photo ID solves some problem, they drew blanks.
 
American said:
Gill, just say "Yes Dear". :mrgreen:
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hey, lol! I may be nitpicking but if we enact voter ID laws, it's because WE should, not because everyone else is.

If all other advanced countries do X, Y, and Z, should we do that too? :doh
 
americanwoman said:
hey, lol! I may be nitpicking but if we enact voter ID laws, it's because WE should, not because everyone else is.

If all other advanced countries do X, Y, and Z, should we do that too? :doh
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You're just pure trouble. :2razz:
 
JasperL said:
OK, then you can show that more relaxed definitions of ID caused problems that strict "photo" ID fix, correct? Link please!

You best let the people who pushed photo IDs know because when challenged in court to demonstrate narrow lists of photo ID solves some problem, they drew blanks.
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I am not sure I understand, what you are trying to say.
 
Gill said:
I guess someone forgot to tell Obama that MOST countries in the world, including Mexico and Canada, require voter ID with a photo on it. Mexico's ID even requires a thumb print.
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I've read the transcript and he doesn't make any claim about which countries do and don't require "voter ID with a photo on it."

You mention Canada - registration is automatic, and address changes follow you through various government functions, like the tax system. And here's the list of ID Canada accepts if you don't have a photo DL or ID card:

2) Show two pieces of ID

At least one must have your current address

health card
Canadian passport
birth certificate
certificate of Canadian citizenship
citizenship card
social insurance number card
Indian status card
band membership card
Métis card
card issued by an Inuit local authority
Canadian Forces identity card
Veterans Affairs health card
old age security card
hospital card
medical clinic card
label on a prescription container
identity bracelet issued by a hospital or long-term care facility
blood donor card
CNIB card
credit card
debit card
employee card
student identity card
public transportation card
library card
liquor identity card
parolee card
firearms licence
licence or card issued for fishing, trapping or hunting
utility bill (e.g. electricity; water; telecommunications services including telephone, cable or satellite)
bank statement
credit union statement
credit card statement
personal cheque
government statement of benefits
government cheque or cheque stub
pension plan statement
residential lease or sub-lease
mortgage contract or statement
income tax assessment
property tax assessment or evaluation
vehicle ownership
insurance certificate, policy or statement
correspondence issued by a school, college or university
letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee
targeted revision form from Elections Canada to residents of long-term care facilities
letter of confirmation of residence from a First Nations band or reserve or an Inuit local authority
letter of confirmation of residence, letter of stay, admission form or statement of benefits from one of the following designated establishments:
student residence
seniors' residence
long-term care facility
shelter
soup kitchen
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So as usual, NRO is a bit incomplete. I'd call them liars, but perhaps they're just lazy and stupid.
 
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joG said:
I am not sure I understand, what you are trying to say.
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You roughly said it was stupid NOT to have a photo ID requirement in this country. Well, what's your evidence? We had ID requirements in Tennessee for many years, but there was a long list of acceptable ID - I generally used my voter registration card - no picture. I can find no evidence anywhere that there was a problem that our new strict photo ID requirements solved.

Canada, mentioned in the story, has a nationwide voter registration system that's updated automatically as people move around. So why is a photo ID required if the registration system handles the mobility issue? As I indicated above, Canada allows a HUGE list of IDs, many with no picture. Can you show any problem they experience by not requiring photo ID?
 
JasperL said:
You roughly said it was stupid NOT to have a photo ID requirement in this country. Well, what's your evidence? We had ID requirements in Tennessee for many years, but there was a long list of acceptable ID - I generally used my voter registration card - no picture. I can find no evidence anywhere that there was a problem that our new strict photo ID requirements solved.

Canada, mentioned in the story, has a nationwide voter registration system that's updated automatically as people move around. So why is a photo ID required if the registration system handles the mobility issue? As I indicated above, Canada allows a HUGE list of IDs, many with no picture. Can you show any problem they experience by not requiring photo ID?
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I am not sure, why anyone could think it unreasonable to want photo ID to certify identity. It seems rather bizarre.
 
americanwoman said:
Barack Obama, in Austin, says U.S. only 'advanced democracy' that makes voting harder | PolitiFact Texas

This is not a final lie, as he has been saying this since last year.


I just don't think pointing out Mexico has strict voter ID laws we should too.

Considering I could give the mayor of any Mexico city $10 to look the other way when I vote if I don't have any ID, should we follow that lead well?
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Wow, you mean he's been telling a lie for over six months and not one would tell the emperor he was wearing no clothes??
 
Gill said:
I guess someone forgot to tell Obama that MOST countries in the world, including Mexico and Canada, require voter ID with a photo on it. Mexico's ID even requires a thumb print.

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Britain was one of the few industrialized countries, besides the United States, that did not require a voter ID. That changed last month because they were experiencing so much voter fraud. In a recent Washington Post poll, 66% of Independents, 60% of Democrats, 65% of African Americans, and 64% of Hispanics favored some type of voter ID.

And in case you are one of those that don't believe voter fraud is an issue, I suggest you look at this link.

Obama also seems to forget that it was Democrats in the south that implemented Jim Crow laws to keep blacks from voting, but of course, history was never his strong point.

Read more at: Obama Lies on Voter ID: Many Countries Require It | National Review
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Canada doess NOT insist on photo ID. You can still vote as long as someone vouches for you.
 
joG said:
I am not sure, why anyone could think it unreasonable to want photo ID to certify identity. It seems rather bizarre.
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I don't know - millions of citizens not having them, often been voting for decades, is one problem....

But that's just evading the question. moving the goal posts. We got along with no problems for decades in Tennessee with expansive ID lists, like Canada. If the change is to require 100s of thousands to jump through some new hoop to vote, get one of these FEW PHOTO IDs, you'd think the proponents could provide some justification, supported by evidence, for such a big change. That you can't is sort of my point and the point of people opposed to these new rules.
 
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