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Obama pardons terrorist Oscar Lopez Rivera

Napoleon said:
That all depends on how you define terrorism. Not everyone agrees that fighting for the independence of a nation from a colonial government constitutes terrorism and the only act of violence actually committed by Oscar Lopez Rivera was the armed robbery of a National Guard Armory. I don't consider what Oscar Lopez Rivera promoted or actually did to be an act of terrorism.
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No, according to the articles at the time, he admitted doing everything he was accused of. Inclusing recruiting and training people to set off bombs to terrorize others into a political goal. He is the definition of terrorism.
 
jonny5 said:
No, according to the articles at the time, he admitted doing everything he was accused of. Inclusing recruiting and training people to set off bombs to terrorize others into a political goal. He is the definition of terrorism.
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As l said previously, not a everyone agrees with such a broad definition.
 
Jack Hays said:
Apparently you're willing to condone terrorism in support of causes you favor.
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I don't believe in holding political prisoners or inhumane imprisonment. The primary charge and conviction (seditious conspiracy) was a political one and holding him in solitary confinement for 12 years was inhumane.
 
Napoleon said:
As l said previously, not a everyone agrees with such a broad definition.
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I think everyone can agree recruiting and directed people to set off bombs that have injured or killed Americans is an act worthy of imprisonment? It is quite obvious he is a danger to society.
 
Napoleon said:
I don't believe in holding political prisoners or inhumane imprisonment. The primary charge and conviction (seditious conspiracy) was a political one and holding him in solitary confinement for 12 years was inhumane.
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He's a terrorist who attempted by violence to overturn a democratic regime.
 
Jack Hays said:
He's a terrorist who attempted by violence to overturn a democratic regime.
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He fought in a movement to end US colonial rule of Puerto Rico. His cause - an independent Puerto Rico - was a just one. That doesn't mean I agree with his methods, but not agreeing with his methods also doesn't mean I have to agree with holding political prisoners and inhumane treatment of said prisoners.
 
Napoleon said:
He fought in a movement to end US colonial rule of Puerto Rico. His cause - an independent Puerto Rico - was a just one. That doesn't mean I agree with his methods, but not agreeing with his methods also doesn't mean I have to agree with holding political prisoners and inhumane treatment of said prisoners.
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There have been several opportunities for the Puerto Ricans to vote themselves independent and they have always chosen to remain a US commonwealth. There's no colonialism in that.
 
Napoleon said:
He fought in a movement to end US colonial rule of Puerto Rico. His cause - an independent Puerto Rico - was a just one. That doesn't mean I agree with his methods, but not agreeing with his methods also doesn't mean I have to agree with holding political prisoners and inhumane treatment of said prisoners.
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Regardless of motive, he recruited and directed people to set off bombs that has injured or killed Americans, this doesn't trouble you?
 
Obama is a healer...
 
Nap said:
Regardless of motive, he recruited and directed people to set off bombs that has injured or killed Americans, this doesn't trouble you?
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Not particularly, because of his motive.
 
Napoleon said:
Mostly by people who mistake the cult of nationalism for patriotism.
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Do you believe a country represents simply a landmass or by the people that inhabit it?

Patriotism is the vigorous support for one's country.

The fact that it doesn't trouble you that someone recruited and directed people to set off bombs that led to the injury or death of Americans would be considered unpatriotic by many.
 
Napoleon said:
He fought in a movement to end US colonial rule of Puerto Rico. His cause - an independent Puerto Rico - was a just one. That doesn't mean I agree with his methods, but not agreeing with his methods also doesn't mean I have to agree with holding political prisoners and inhumane treatment of said prisoners.
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The methods are what matter. If he had been jailed for speech or peaceful protest, then he would be a political prisoner. But he directly caused mass violence against non-combatants. He should have been executed, but barring that held in jail till death.
 
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