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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Nope there was a lot more than that but myopic is myopic.
    anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.
    Umm... what??

    Do you not understand that if you make a claim about anecdotes, the only possible evidence must be anecdotal...!

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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    For sure about Trey Gowdy looked like an idiot. Upon discovering that Jared Kushner went to law school but never actually passed any bar exams I looked into Lindsey Graham. He's another clownish oaf who appears to have graduated from law school without actually passing a bar exam.

    How many of these jokes are there? Who would bother going to law school and then not passing a bar exam? WTHELL?
    Wut? Lindsey Graham was a JAG for 6 years with the army after he graduated from law school, and after that he was both in private practice in SC and was also assistant county attorney for Oconee County in SC until he entered Congress. Yes, he took (and passed) the Bar Exam.
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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I am not defending Monica Crowley and I have not read her dissertation or anything else she has written, so I honestly don't know if the passages classify as plagiarism or not. I certainly do not condone plagiarism.

    But let me play devil's advocate Are the talking points and phrases lifted and posted word for word that we see members repeating again and again and again plagiarism? They don't source where they got it or admit they are repeating other people's words.


    If I repeat the well known and oft quoted line from Adam Smith's work: "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest." without specifically attributing it to Adam Smith, have I plagiarized? Or is the quotation so well known that it doesn't need notation. . .sort of like quoting a line for effect "We hold these truths to be self evident. . ." or "When in the course of current events, it becomes necessary. . ."

    In a thread I started recently, in the OP I provided three analogies and, while I rewrote them into my own words, I prefaced them with the disclaimer that they didn't originate with me. And one of them did contain a phrase that is oft repeated and I was accused by another member of plagiarizing it. Was my disclaimer sufficient to avoid being a plagiarizer?

    I write and teach adult curriculum and do a LOT of research of other people's work, making notes as I go, and many of these notes include the other's words verbatim. And sometimes when I am hurriedly preparing a lesson, I don't always take the time to note what is somebody elses words and what is mine. Then months later when I am rewriting those notes into publishable form, I can't always remember what is somebody else's words and what is mine. So I have to go back and diligently check every line to be sure I am not using somebody else's words verbatim and in truth, I find some lines in my work that are very similar to what somebody else wrote--somebody that I didn't use as a source at the time.

    And is it possible that one or more of those lines could make it into a completed manuscript without being notated or included in my bibliography? It is a real fear of mine. Would it be plagiarism? Certainly not intentionally but I could see myself being accused if by some weird stroke of fate I found myself in a high profile position in which every aspect of my life was being scrutinized in an effort to disqualify me.

    So what is the deal with Monica? No clue. She is a very competent commentator when I have watched her in that role. But did she plagiarize? I suspect she might have. Did she intend to? I doubt that she did.
    You're making this a lot more complicated than it is. The article offers quite a few examples, involving several authors. Crowley lifts whole paragraphs from them, in places copying entire sentences, verbatim, without any attribution at all. This is not a close call--it is flat plagiarism, and far, far too much of it to have been accidental. The fact Columbia allowed such obvious academic dishonesty in a doctoral thesis does not help its reputation. I knew the place was friendly to commies, but I didn't know it was also friendly to frauds.

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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wut? Lindsey Graham was a JAG for 6 years with the army after he graduated from law school, and after that he was both in private practice in SC and was also assistant county attorney for Oconee County in SC until he entered Congress. Yes, he took (and passed) the Bar Exam.
    Which bar exam?

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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Which bar exam?
    I would assume South Carolina since he worked there, as I said. You can't be a county lawyer in SC if you only passed the bar in MN.
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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    You're making this a lot more complicated than it is. The article offers quite a few examples, involving several authors. Crowley lifts whole paragraphs from them, in places copying entire sentences, verbatim, without any attribution at all. This is not a close call--it is flat plagiarism, and far, far too much of it to have been accidental. The fact Columbia allowed such obvious academic dishonesty in a doctoral thesis does not help its reputation. I knew the place was friendly to commies, but I didn't know it was also friendly to frauds.
    You may be right. But to me it is not at all complicated to understand how somebody could forget what you wrote and what you didn't, or distinguish between the two amidst a mountain of notes and materials compiled for a dissertation. I tried to describe the phenomenon in my own experience. So I am leaving open that possibility in this case. And it is possible she deliberately plagiarized too. I honestly don't know nor does anybody else posting in this thread.

    What is puzzling to me is that Columbia would have accepted a dissertation with no notations or bibliography of any kind. I went to college in the dark ages, and that certainly would never have been permitted in my much less prestigious school for even much less important papers.
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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    I do not agree....she likely plagiarized and it does matter.
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    Seeing as you support the biggest liar since Nixon, I'm hardly surprised that you do not think that stealing someone's work and lying about is bad....

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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You may be right. But to me it is not at all complicated to understand how somebody could forget what you wrote and what you didn't, or distinguish between the two amidst a mountain of notes and materials compiled for a dissertation. I tried to describe the phenomenon in my own experience. So I am leaving open that possibility in this case. And it is possible she deliberately plagiarized too. I honestly don't know nor does anybody else posting in this thread.

    What is puzzling to me is that Columbia would have accepted a dissertation with no notations or bibliography of any kind. I went to college in the dark ages, and that certainly would never have been permitted in my much less prestigious school for even much less important papers.
    Her paper had citations and a bibliography. From the OP: "An examination of the dissertation and the sources it cites identified more than a dozen sections of text that have been lifted, with little to no changes, from other scholarly works without proper attribution. In some instances, Crowley footnoted her source but did not identify with quotation marks the text she was copying directly."

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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    Was John Walsh's PhD in International Relations used as a credential for his position as Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications and Speechwriting Designate?

    (FYI, the answer is no)

    Was John Walsh found to plagiarize not once, not twice, but fifty times in a book he wrote, including copying passages from wikipedia?

    (FYI, the answer is no)

    Did i even know who this guy is that you're dishonestly diverting the conversation toward?

    No.


    Hypocrisy is the order of the day for the left. Why am I not surprised by your retort?
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    Re: Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    And yet all those who cried about Biden's speech don't seem to care when the right re-uses speech (Melania, President Bush 2, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.). Seems that's the hypocrisy here since those two situations are actually equivalent, unlike this dishonest bull**** between giving a speech and committing academic fraud.
    I'm not the one who made these crocodile tears you all have for crowley's plagarism.


    I actually dont care about any of the mentiomed plagarism. I was simply showing your double standard.
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