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Trump Pick Monica Crowley Plagiarized Parts of Her Ph.D. Dissertation

Nope there was a lot more than that but myopic is myopic.
anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.

Umm... what??

Do you not understand that if you make a claim about anecdotes, the only possible evidence must be anecdotal...!
 
For sure about Trey Gowdy looked like an idiot. Upon discovering that Jared Kushner went to law school but never actually passed any bar exams I looked into Lindsey Graham. He's another clownish oaf who appears to have graduated from law school without actually passing a bar exam.

How many of these jokes are there? Who would bother going to law school and then not passing a bar exam? WTHELL?

Wut? Lindsey Graham was a JAG for 6 years with the army after he graduated from law school, and after that he was both in private practice in SC and was also assistant county attorney for Oconee County in SC until he entered Congress. Yes, he took (and passed) the Bar Exam.
 
I am not defending Monica Crowley and I have not read her dissertation or anything else she has written, so I honestly don't know if the passages classify as plagiarism or not. I certainly do not condone plagiarism.

But let me play devil's advocate Are the talking points and phrases lifted and posted word for word that we see members repeating again and again and again plagiarism? They don't source where they got it or admit they are repeating other people's words.


If I repeat the well known and oft quoted line from Adam Smith's work: "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest." without specifically attributing it to Adam Smith, have I plagiarized? Or is the quotation so well known that it doesn't need notation. . .sort of like quoting a line for effect "We hold these truths to be self evident. . ." or "When in the course of current events, it becomes necessary. . ."

In a thread I started recently, in the OP I provided three analogies and, while I rewrote them into my own words, I prefaced them with the disclaimer that they didn't originate with me. And one of them did contain a phrase that is oft repeated and I was accused by another member of plagiarizing it. Was my disclaimer sufficient to avoid being a plagiarizer?

I write and teach adult curriculum and do a LOT of research of other people's work, making notes as I go, and many of these notes include the other's words verbatim. And sometimes when I am hurriedly preparing a lesson, I don't always take the time to note what is somebody elses words and what is mine. Then months later when I am rewriting those notes into publishable form, I can't always remember what is somebody else's words and what is mine. So I have to go back and diligently check every line to be sure I am not using somebody else's words verbatim and in truth, I find some lines in my work that are very similar to what somebody else wrote--somebody that I didn't use as a source at the time.

And is it possible that one or more of those lines could make it into a completed manuscript without being notated or included in my bibliography? It is a real fear of mine. Would it be plagiarism? Certainly not intentionally but I could see myself being accused if by some weird stroke of fate I found myself in a high profile position in which every aspect of my life was being scrutinized in an effort to disqualify me.

So what is the deal with Monica? No clue. She is a very competent commentator when I have watched her in that role. But did she plagiarize? I suspect she might have. Did she intend to? I doubt that she did.

You're making this a lot more complicated than it is. The article offers quite a few examples, involving several authors. Crowley lifts whole paragraphs from them, in places copying entire sentences, verbatim, without any attribution at all. This is not a close call--it is flat plagiarism, and far, far too much of it to have been accidental. The fact Columbia allowed such obvious academic dishonesty in a doctoral thesis does not help its reputation. I knew the place was friendly to commies, but I didn't know it was also friendly to frauds.
 
Wut? Lindsey Graham was a JAG for 6 years with the army after he graduated from law school, and after that he was both in private practice in SC and was also assistant county attorney for Oconee County in SC until he entered Congress. Yes, he took (and passed) the Bar Exam.

Which bar exam?
 
You're making this a lot more complicated than it is. The article offers quite a few examples, involving several authors. Crowley lifts whole paragraphs from them, in places copying entire sentences, verbatim, without any attribution at all. This is not a close call--it is flat plagiarism, and far, far too much of it to have been accidental. The fact Columbia allowed such obvious academic dishonesty in a doctoral thesis does not help its reputation. I knew the place was friendly to commies, but I didn't know it was also friendly to frauds.

You may be right. But to me it is not at all complicated to understand how somebody could forget what you wrote and what you didn't, or distinguish between the two amidst a mountain of notes and materials compiled for a dissertation. I tried to describe the phenomenon in my own experience. So I am leaving open that possibility in this case. And it is possible she deliberately plagiarized too. I honestly don't know nor does anybody else posting in this thread.

What is puzzling to me is that Columbia would have accepted a dissertation with no notations or bibliography of any kind. I went to college in the dark ages, and that certainly would never have been permitted in my much less prestigious school for even much less important papers.
 
I do not agree....she likely plagiarized and it does matter.
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Seeing as you support the biggest liar since Nixon, I'm hardly surprised that you do not think that stealing someone's work and lying about is bad....
 
You may be right. But to me it is not at all complicated to understand how somebody could forget what you wrote and what you didn't, or distinguish between the two amidst a mountain of notes and materials compiled for a dissertation. I tried to describe the phenomenon in my own experience. So I am leaving open that possibility in this case. And it is possible she deliberately plagiarized too. I honestly don't know nor does anybody else posting in this thread.

What is puzzling to me is that Columbia would have accepted a dissertation with no notations or bibliography of any kind. I went to college in the dark ages, and that certainly would never have been permitted in my much less prestigious school for even much less important papers.

Her paper had citations and a bibliography. From the OP: "An examination of the dissertation and the sources it cites identified more than a dozen sections of text that have been lifted, with little to no changes, from other scholarly works without proper attribution. In some instances, Crowley footnoted her source but did not identify with quotation marks the text she was copying directly."
 
Was John Walsh's PhD in International Relations used as a credential for his position as Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications and Speechwriting Designate?

(FYI, the answer is no)

Was John Walsh found to plagiarize not once, not twice, but fifty times in a book he wrote, including copying passages from wikipedia?

(FYI, the answer is no)

Did i even know who this guy is that you're dishonestly diverting the conversation toward?

No.



Hypocrisy is the order of the day for the left. Why am I not surprised by your retort?
 
And yet all those who cried about Biden's speech don't seem to care when the right re-uses speech (Melania, President Bush 2, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.). Seems that's the hypocrisy here since those two situations are actually equivalent, unlike this dishonest bull**** between giving a speech and committing academic fraud.

I'm not the one who made these crocodile tears you all have for crowley's plagarism.


I actually dont care about any of the mentiomed plagarism. I was simply showing your double standard.
 
The evidence against her is pretty strong.

For example

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I'm not the one who made these crocodile tears you all have for crowley's plagarism.


I actually dont care about any of the mentiomed plagarism. I was simply showing your double standard.

Um, wasn't a double standard. Those were two completely different situations. People who give speeches reuse phrases all the time. People who write in academics are expected to properly source all copied material. I understand that there are a lot of ignorant people who have no idea how academia operates, but i am trying to explain to you that it's a different ballgame.
 
Her paper had citations and a bibliography. From the OP: "An examination of the dissertation and the sources it cites identified more than a dozen sections of text that have been lifted, with little to no changes, from other scholarly works without proper attribution. In some instances, Crowley footnoted her source but did not identify with quotation marks the text she was copying directly."

The key here is "in some instances", but in many instances she did not, which means that she stole the credit for what other people wrote.
 
The key here is "in some instances", but in many instances she did not, which means that she stole the credit for what other people wrote.

Right, I get it, I've written a lot of academic papers and what she did is actually a pretty serious academic problem. Everyone knows the rules, and she almost surely intentionally didn't abide by them or at a minimum didn't give a damn about them, and so was incredibly lazy and sloppy AT BEST.

The person I responded to was wondering how the school allowed a dissertation to pass with NO footnotes or bibliography, and I just pointed out that she had both.

Frankly without a software program, that kind of plagiarism is almost impossible to detect, so I don't blame the school for not catching it.
 
But did she pay her taxes? Van Jones didn't!

:lamo
 
Who would bother going to law school and then not passing a bar exam?

Many law school professors, if not most. Almost all of them graduated in the top ten per cent of their classes, but many of them do not become practicing lawyers.
 
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