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35-Page Report Alleging Trump Was "Cultivated, Supported And Assisted" By Russia

Chomsky said:
Well, there's still an awful lot of supposition here.

But since (at least some in) Congress have had access to this intel, it might explain why the Senate wants to investigate this so badly, and the House is picking-up on it.

Lindsey Graham & john McCain saw the intel, and both have been vehement about investigating since then. So you never know.
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True, like or not the story is growing legs. There are a lot of accusations and speculation going around, but even though I dislike the guy I am not willing to say Yes, absolutely, he is owned by the Russkies and remove him from office, even the Donald deserves to be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty of something. I know what Congress would do if the story were true, President Pence, but what about Russia, would this not be an act of war? Things are getting more interesting by the day. Someone here started a thread asking what trumps first scandal would be, I am thinking this might be it.
Oh, and as a side note, trump could not help himself and his Twitter went off, again, good grief when is he going to learn that he does more harm than good by continuing to Twit every time someone brings up his name.:roll:
 
haymarket said:
How is a report from the US intelligence community given to Trump and Obama fake news?
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Perhaps you should spend a little time with google this morning. Seems this story has run into a real roadblock. I'm really enjoying the "egg on the face" the MSM is reeling from this morning. You shouldn't be so anxious to join the crowd.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Well, I wouldn't imagine Congress investigate this "report" because it's rather ****.
Allegedly John McCain had this report and if he straight up believed it without evidence, he's an embarassment.
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McCain is the only Republican on the Hill who appears to have any integrity - not to mention the cojones to see this through.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps you should spend a little time with google this morning. Seems this story has run into a real roadblock. I'm really enjoying the "egg on the face" the MSM is reeling from this morning. You shouldn't be so anxious to join the crowd.
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You can trust any briefing that allows 4Chan fanfic to flood into the "evidence", doncha know.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps you should spend a little time with google this morning. Seems this story has run into a real roadblock. I'm really enjoying the "egg on the face" the MSM is reeling from this morning. You shouldn't be so anxious to join the crowd.
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I notice you did not answer the question.

And since you mentioned it - what would that roadblock be?
 
DA60 said:
'As reported moments ago, CNN is leading with a story about a 35-page dossier compiled by a former member of British intelligence, which had been distilled into a 2-page appendix presented to Trump last Friday by the US intel community, and which contains "explosive, but unverified, allegations" that the Russian government has been "cultivating, supporting and assisting" President-elect Donald Trump for at least 5 years and "endorsed by Putin" gained compromising information about him, with the aim of "encouraging splits and divisions in the western alliance."

The memo has allegedly been circulating among elected officials, intelligence agents, and journalists for weeks.'

NOTE: You have to go to the website - via either link - to see the document (I do not know how to post it here).

Here Is The Full 35-Page Report Alleging Trump Was "Cultivated, Supported And Assisted" By Russia | Zero Hedge

https://www.scribd.com/document/336222345/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations#from_embed




Thoughts?
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I'd just like to post this for reference.

U.S. Intelligence Confirms Trump was Blackmailed by Russia? : snopes.com

The article is referencing compiled memos containing information given, in part, by a former British intelligence officer. A summary of the memos was presented to President Barack Obama and President-elect Trump in early January 2017. The memos had been leaked to the media as early as 31 October 2016, but were made public in full on 10 January 2017 when they were published by Buzzfeed.

Contrary to the claim that the information contained was "confirmed" by intelligence officers, credible media outlets note that the claims are unverified.
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Not false, but unproven nonetheless.
 
haymarket said:
I notice you did not answer the question.

And since you mentioned it - what would that roadblock be?
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LOL

I was thinking perhaps you wanted to learn the truth on your own. I guess I was wrong.

Carry on.

P.S. the roadblock is something carrying the heading; Credibility

Here, a gift:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/business/buzzfeed-donald-trump-russia.html?_r=0

In a brief interview in the Times newsroom on Tuesday evening, Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The Times, said the paper would not publish the document because the allegations were “totally unsubstantiated.”

“We, like others, investigated the allegations and haven’t corroborated them, and we felt we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by,” Mr. Baquet said.​
 
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Casper said:
True, like or not the story is growing legs. There are a lot of accusations and speculation going around, but even though I dislike the guy I am not willing to say Yes, absolutely, he is owned by the Russkies and remove him from office, even the Donald deserves to be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty of something. I know what Congress would do if the story were true, President Pence, but what about Russia, would this not be an act of war? Things are getting more interesting by the day. Someone here started a thread asking what trumps first scandal would be, I am thinking this might be it.
Oh, and as a side note, trump could not help himself and his Twitter went off, again, good grief when is he going to learn that he does more harm than good by continuing to Twit every time someone brings up his name.:roll:
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Well, I'm not sure what to make of this, quite honestly. It's so macarbre, so fantastic, it's hard to fathom or believe.

Yes, Trump as sitting President deserves the benefit of doubt and the respect of the office.

But his very top people have been under federal investigation for a long-time for these very possibilities. So the memo fits the narrative well.

If there's truth to this, even if partial, Directer Comey could have saved the country a lot of effort, misery, and embarassment by spilling the beans earlier!
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
This "report" lacks credibility.
Multiple news outlets refused to report on it because it seems very likely to be made up smear.
Why would multiple news outlets sit on such a juicy story like this?

You know why.
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The problem is less that it is true or fake. In destabilises and erodes legitimacy, because it is believable.
 
TheGoverness said:
I'd just like to post this for reference.

U.S. Intelligence Confirms Trump was Blackmailed by Russia? : snopes.com

Not false, but unproven nonetheless.
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It's false until proven. Media outlets this morning (NYT in particular) are chiming in that they passed on this information because their efforts to verify bore no fruit. In particular, the claim of the clandestine meeting in Prague appears to be false, as is the 4chan fanfic, as well as a number of simple data points being wrong that any intelligence officer should know.
 
^^

Holy cripe! He's going ape**** on Twitter! Totally nutso. And he even Godwinned himself! :doh
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

I was thinking perhaps you wanted to learn the truth on your own. I guess I was wrong.

Carry on.

P.S. the roadblock is something carrying the heading; Credibility

Here, a gift:


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/business/buzzfeed-donald-trump-russia.html?_r=0

In a brief interview in the Times newsroom on Tuesday evening, Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The Times, said the paper would not publish the document because the allegations were “totally unsubstantiated.”

“We, like others, investigated the allegations and haven’t corroborated them, and we felt we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by,” Mr. Baquet said.​
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You might want to stop your usual bitchy snide comments to me just because you see me as an enemy of your ideology.

Again - how does a report given to President Obama and Trump about the findings of the intelligence agencies constitute fake news?

Your post deals with the idea that some of its content has yet to be proven. Fine. But how is the actual document fake news?
 
I'm stuck on "explosive but unverified."
 
Chomsky said:
Well, I'm not sure what to make of this, quite honestly. It's so macarbre, so fantastic, it's hard to fathom or believe.

Yes, Trump as sitting President deserves the benefit of doubt and the respect of the office.

But his very top people have been under federal investigation for a long-time for these very possibilities. So the memo fits the narrative well.

If there's truth to this, even if partial, Directer Comey could have saved the country a lot of effort, misery, and embarassment by spilling the beans earlier!
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This whole Trump Russia story has been lacking one key thing, evidence.
There's been none.

In fact, in October, the FBI said they found no ties between him and Russia.
Yet here we are ignoring that and latching on the new scandalous here say.

What does this lend me to believe?
It's likely nothing but politics and departmental infighting.
 
joG said:
The problem is less that it is true or fake. In destabilises and erodes legitimacy, because it is believable.
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If it's believable to you, then that your bias.
I find it very hard to believe, that the current president stayed in a hotel that was completely bugged by the FSB, then later the future president came in to have a piss party.

That sounds like a load of crap, it sounds exactly like something 4chan would do.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, I'm not sure what to make of this, quite honestly. It's so macarbre, so fantastic, it's hard to fathom or believe.

Yes, Trump as sitting President deserves the benefit of doubt and the respect of the office.

But his very top people have been under federal investigation for a long-time for these very possibilities. So the memo fits the narrative well.

If there's truth to this, even if partial, Directer Comey could have saved the country a lot of effort, misery, and embarassment by spilling the beans earlier!
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Have they? The story is that the FBI has requested surveillance from the FISA court, but nothing in the provided information was derived from any FBI investigation. Generally you would assume that if the FBI found something it would be in the report, as it is it appears that the FBI has actually completed the investigation that all the alt-lefters are currently clamoring for based on the need to track down the claims made in this paid-for oppo report and found nothing.
 
Casper said:
True, like or not the story is growing legs. There are a lot of accusations and speculation going around, but even though I dislike the guy I am not willing to say Yes, absolutely, he is owned by the Russkies and remove him from office, even the Donald deserves to be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty of something. I know what Congress would do if the story were true, President Pence, but what about Russia, would this not be an act of war? Things are getting more interesting by the day. Someone here started a thread asking what trumps first scandal would be, I am thinking this might be it.
Oh, and as a side note, trump could not help himself and his Twitter went off, again, good grief when is he going to learn that he does more harm than good by continuing to Twit every time someone brings up his name.:roll:
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Well - I can say this is a perfect way for the Birther-in-Chief to start his reign, no?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
If it's believable to you, then that your bias.
I find it very hard to believe, that the current president stayed in a hotel that was completely bugged by the FSB, then later the future president came in to have a piss party.

That sounds like a load of crap, it sounds exactly like something 4chan would do.
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4Chan has already said that the story was a joke written by one of their members and was presented to Rick Willson as a troll... and somehow it wound up in the dossier.
 
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