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35-Page Report Alleging Trump Was "Cultivated, Supported And Assisted" By Russia

Sadly yes, and believe me when I say I would never have predicted that a year ago. Trump is the antithesis to libertarian values, far more so than Clinton. But that isn't what this thread is about, so I will end that conversation here so as not to derail it.



In other words, your just another left winger claiming libertarian values without knowing what you speak of... I, as a libertarian, begrudgingly voted Johnson. the LP needs to find a new candidate at this point, as entertaining as he is.......


Pulling the trigger for clinton was at best a lateral move vs trump.

trump however seems to be more willing to reduce the amount of taxes you and I pay, so obviously you would have to take that into consideration vs the crook you voted for, "libertarian"
 
As the FBI investigates one thing is for certain, Carer Page, Manafort, Cohen and a few others are undoubtedly being investigated for treason, among other things. Trump has a bucket of trouble to sweat if even some the allegations are correct.
Well, there's still an awful lot of supposition here.

But since (at least some in) Congress have had access to this intel, it might explain why the Senate wants to investigate this so badly, and the House is picking-up on it.

Lindsey Graham & john McCain saw the intel, and both have been vehement about investigating since then. So you never know.
 
Seemed the place for it was here. This 35 page report is certainly big news.

You don't like it...go and whine to the mods.
Actually - I would have also linked CNN, and put it in Mainstream News. It's getting picked-up by quite a few news organizations.
 
The only distraction you left out that I see from the GOPrussians is tds--trumpistan deflection syndrome.

Btw, a source I'm using for data on the congressional district method of the EC has trump leading 191 to 185 with only FL, PA, KS, and NC remaining to be scored.

Add in 60 for trump's 30 states and 40 for Clinton's 20 states and you get 251 to 225.

trump will pull ahead of 270 of course with those 4 states.

Keeping in mind Romney would have beaten Obama 273-265 with this method, DEMs got completely outplayed in 2014.

The data is without lean but the source would be rhetorically shot down.

So far, 18 GOP representatives won in Clinton won districts while 11 DEM reps won in trump CDs.

These would be termed 'soft' districts and would be in play in 2018.

In your AZ, AZ-2 is Clinton/GOP rep and AZ-1 is trump/DEM rep .

No, the Dems were outplayed in 2010/11 when those congressional districts were gerrymandered to favor Republicans. Had distribution of congressional districts been truly representative, the house would have flipped to Dem in 2012. it is interesting, but in the end silliness as this schema runs contrary to the federal philosophy of the Constitution.
 
Here comes some more tds---trump deflection syndrome.



How about responding to the OP or hit the report button ?
Trouble is, there's nothing to report. All the news orgs are covering it.
 
Not a book. That'll be a chapter in the book, "PINO- How Donald Trump Turned the Presidency into a Figurehead Position".

Nah, it was Reagan did that. Trump is Basically the stupid man's Reagan...
 
so there is another thread on this...


basically unknown source, photocopy look, redacted black boxes, and "confidential/sensitive sources" heading and you are all buying it as legit? you probably believed the norks were really going to retaliate from that interview movie too I bet.... gullible
 
In other words, your just another left winger claiming libertarian values without knowing what you speak of... I, as a libertarian, begrudgingly voted Johnson. the LP needs to find a new candidate at this point, as entertaining as he is.......


Pulling the trigger for clinton was at best a lateral move vs trump.

trump however seems to be more willing to reduce the amount of taxes you and I pay, so obviously you would have to take that into consideration vs the crook you voted for, "libertarian"

Congratulations on being a member of the top 1 percent of the top one percent, the only people likely to see a tax cut in the next four years. Meanwhile, those of us in the upper middle will be getting our clocks cleaned to pay for walls and the wrong type of infrastructure spending...
 
Congratulations on being a member of the top 1 percent of the top one percent, the only people likely to see a tax cut in the next four years. Meanwhile, those of us in the upper middle will be getting our clocks cleaned to pay for walls and the wrong type of infrastructure spending...



based on what?


yes, I might be in the one percent as of this year. but looking at what tax cuts are being proposed, it would seem we are all getting it.


reducing corporate tax rates, affects your local pizza shop more than it affects me. you realize that right?
 
based on what?


yes, I might be in the one percent as of this year. but looking at what tax cuts are being proposed, it would seem we are all getting it.


reducing corporate tax rates, affects your local pizza shop more than it affects me. you realize that right?

I realize he's proposed a bunch of things, most of which will increase the deficit, while promising the lower middle he will stop their slide into poverty by subsidizing their obsolete jobs. While promising tax cuts. Now, I believe he's going to spend a bunch, but no Republican politician in congress is going to let him cut the favorite programs of the geriatric class which continues to elect them or cut the military and risk pissing off their financial backers. Seeing as how if he cut everything else in the budget he wouldn't close the current gap, let alone his proposed spending. Which leaves one option, raise taxes. You think he'll raise his own? Or up capital gains? No, he will dip into the upper middle. Or just add another 5-10 trillion to the debt, and pretend like he never ran as a businessman promising to balance the budget.

Thinking Trump is going to benefit anyone other than Trump, is naive.
 
I realize he's proposed a bunch of things, most of which will increase the deficit, while promising the lower middle he will stop their slide into poverty by subsidizing their obsolete jobs. While promising tax cuts. Now, I believe he's going to spend a bunch, but no Republican politician in congress is going to let him cut the favorite programs of the geriatric class which continues to elect them or cut the military and risk pissing off their financial backers. Seeing as how if he cut everything else in the budget he wouldn't close the current gap, let alone his proposed spending. Which leaves one option, raise taxes. You think he'll raise his own? Or up capital gains? No, he will dip into the upper middle.

Thinking Trump is going to benefit anyone other than Trump, is naive.




thinking trump took the job to enrich himself is whats naive, for the success he's had, why sign up for such an involved job?


I'm wait and see at this point, a little concerned/cautious, but some of what he's proposed seems reasonable to me.


btw you tell that poor family in the rust best, that they aren't as worthy of building cars and mexicans about "obsolete jobs"....


Make the trade fair. lets see where it goes. Whats wrong with that?
 
thinking trump took the job to enrich himself is whats naive, for the success he's had, why sign up for such an involved job?


I'm wait and see at this point, a little concerned/cautious, but some of what he's proposed seems reasonable to me.


btw you tell that poor family in the rust best, that they aren't as worthy of building cars and mexicans about "obsolete jobs"....


Make the trade fair. lets see where it goes. Whats wrong with that?

His success is laughable, 6 bankruptcies, 1.5 billion in debt, and a fortune that would be larger today if he had invest his inheritence in a fixed interest vehicle. And his self interest is legendary. The man doesn't pay taxes because he lost a billion dollars in one year...

Alot of what he's proposed over the years seems reasonable, and a lot seems bat**** insane. I like 1980s Trump, this guy is a sad caricature of his former self.

I will gladly tell those in the Rust Belt that, they can retrain and move. They are not entitled to a job, a wage, or a way of life. And forcing our markets to accomodate them is not only prolonging encouraging their mediocrity, it's holding back innovations and new industries that could better enrich their lives. Capitalism works better than communism, why am I explaining this to a libertarian?

Labor is a key resource, and right now our labor market is in shambles because no one wants to pick up a book or move. It's time some people get reminded what hardship feels like and how hunger is the best motivator for self improvement.

And making trade fair, wont' do a damn thing for those on the rust belt. Ending NAFTA is a great idea, if you want to end illegal immigration. And that's why I'm all for it. But it's not bring jobs back to industries that could have automated them ten years ago, if not for cheaper foreign labor.
 
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In other words, your just another left winger claiming libertarian values without knowing what you speak of
Wow. If that's you're starting point, getting into a discussion with you is completely pointless. :peace
 
Apparently Trump also contracted a hooker through the Russian government to pee on the Obamas. Or some such thing...its hard to tell because the story is still pretty convoluted. They werent sure if the Obamas were grateful for the gift or what the dealio was.
 
Rejoice. Your days of denial are soon to be over!
You wanted details... now you're getting them via"Live Stream":2razz:

Or should that be Golden Stream?
 
Thanks for post that. My first thought is that most of the people braying here haven't read and won't read it. There has been a great deal of background information - various reputable sources and over a period of time - that help paint the big picture. In fact, it seems that they are all convinced that this is all about email hacking. That alone tells us they haven't brought themselves up to speed. Also, it tells me that they aren't going to read detailed information you might provide.

First, they will deny it even though they don't really understand what exactly they are denying

Second, if the information is determined to be credible and is reported as such they will attack the source and continue their denial.

Third, they will discount the value and implications of the truth. Part of that will be because they haven't done due diligence and won't.

I'm not going to bother to look it up here but I know that some of the people braying about the story and demanding truth or nothing at all are some of the same people who were all over Clinton's and the DNC emails before the facts were known.

But but...

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Looks like the Manchurian Muslim has been replaced by the Russian boogieman as the new magnet for the stupid.

Yup. You'll find an identical brain pattern and behavioral similarities between those who accuse Obama of being a MOOSLIM as Trump of being an AGENT OF THE RUSKIES!
 
His success is laughable, 6 bankruptcies, 1.5 billion in debt, and a fortune that would be larger today if he had invest his inheritence in a fixed interest vehicle. And his self interest is legendary. The man doesn't pay taxes because he lost a billion dollars in one year...


Point being, regardless, he has ample fortune to not take a long hard job where half the country hates you.

Alot of what he's proposed over the years seems reasonable, and a lot seems bat**** insane. I like 1980s Trump, this guy is a sad caricature of his former self.

That I agree with. though he wasn't much different in the 80's.


I will gladly tell those in the Rust Belt that, they can retrain and move. They are not entitled to a job, a wage, or a way of life. And forcing our markets to accomodate them is not only prolonging encouraging their mediocrity, it's holding back innovations and new industries that could better enrich their lives. Capitalism works better than communism, why am I explaining this to a libertarian?

"forcing markets"? incorrect. evening the playing field... Reducing taxes to bring off shore money back. has nothing to do with accommodations as it does with not selling the American worker out.... you lefties used to champion the american working class. what happened? You really should understand my position before questioning my open markets positioning..

I'd be for no tariffs coming or going.


Labor is a key resource, and right now our labor market is in shambles because no one wants to pick up a book or move. It's time some people get reminded what hardship feels like and how hunger is the best motivator for self improvement.


So, they are poor because they are lazy and stupid. Can't find a job because they are lazy and stupid..... You sound like a republican.


And making trade fair, wont' do a damn thing for those on the rust belt. Ending NAFTA is a great idea, if you want to end illegal immigration. And that's why I'm all for it. But it's not bring jobs back to industries that could have automated them ten years ago, if not for cheaper foreign labor.


So you do that automation here. there are still jobs to be had, and support jobs in the communities for those jobs. apparently it can be done, or bmw wouldn't have built a plant in where is it? NC?
 
Wow. If that's you're starting point, getting into a discussion with you is completely pointless. :peace



You claimed that trump was the "antithesis" to libertarian values, yet you voted for hillary.

Why not explain this without media propaganda.
 
Question: Who is going to give this the complete and thorough no stone left unturned investigation that this warrants?

Congress? Who there with any real power to do so demonstrates any willingness to do so no matter where it leads and damn the political consequences?

The Trump Administration? Investigating itself? Hardly.

The FBI? They apparently sat on this for the last six months.

So who is left to get to the bottom of this?
 
Question: Who is going to give this the complete and thorough no stone left unturned investigation that this warrants?

Congress? Who there with any real power to do so demonstrates any willingness to do so no matter where it leads and damn the political consequences?

The Trump Administration? Investigating itself? Hardly.

The FBI? They apparently sat on this for the last six months.

So who is left to get to the bottom of this?

It's already been "investigated" by both media outlets and law enforcement.
It's completely unsubstantiated, in fact, part of it may have been a hoax by 4chan.
 
It's already been "investigated" by both media outlets and law enforcement.
It's completely unsubstantiated, in fact, part of it may have been a hoax by 4chan.

So the Paul Mantafore collusion has already been investigated? How is that possible when it just came to light?

So the idea that the Russians have a blackmail file ready to pressure Trump with scandalous things in it that could destroy him? How is that possible when it just came to light?

Neither of those groups that you mentioned has the powers that government does to investigate this far far more thoroughly especially when it involves international dealings.
 
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Apparently Trump also contracted a hooker through the Russian government to pee on the Obamas. Or some such thing...its hard to tell because the story is still pretty convoluted. They werent sure if the Obamas were grateful for the gift or what the dealio was.

Quite interesting to read this thread this morning.

The entire report and the way the alt-left MSM has picked up on the story has been roundly vilified for giving it life, when the best that can be said about the story is how gullible, biased, and completely irrelevant the MSM has become.

For example, this "golden showers" bit.

4Chan Claims To Have Fabricated Anti-Trump Report As A Hoax | Zero Hedge

In a story that is getting more surreal by the minute, a post on 4Chan now claims that the infamous "golden showers" scene in the unverified 35-page dossier, allegedly compiled by a British intelligence officer, was a hoax and fabricated by a member of the chatboard as "fanfiction", then sent to Rick Wilson, who proceeded to send it to the CIA, which then put it in their official classified intelligence report on the election.​


On january 10, Buzzfeed posted a story under the byline of Ken Bensinger, Mark Schoofs and Miriam elder titled “these reports Allege Trump Has Deep Ties To Russia” and posted a link to a document alleging, among other things, that russia has been cultivating trump for 5+ years, that trump has been in constant contact with the kremlin for information on his opponents, and perhaps most inflammatory, that there are many recorded instances of blackmail of trump in sexual misconduct. A prominent claim is that trump rented the presidential suite of the Ritz Carlton Hotel in moscow, where he knew that the Obamas had slept in; he them hired a number of prostitutes to perform a 'golden shower' (pissplay) on the bed and in the room. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-dee...
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Al...

Noted #nevertrump voice Rick Wilson later commented on twitter, stating that the report “gave a new meaning to Wikileaks” (https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/818982395202379777) and that the report was the reason everybody was fighting so hard against the election of Trump. (https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/818983514335047680)

The remarkable thing? It's all fake. And not only fake; it's a prank perpetuated by 4chan, on Rick Wilson himself. A post on 4chan on october 26 stated “mfw managed to convince CTR and certain (((journalists))) on Twitter there'll be an October surprise on Trump this Friday” along with a picture of a smug face with a hash name. http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/94704894/#94705224
 
Neither of those that you mentioned have the powers that government does to investigate this far far more thoroughly especially when it involves international dealings.

Law enforcement is the government.
Multiple media outlets have sat of this, Hillary's campaign had this, why didn't they release it?
Mother Jones, of all sources had this and chose not to run it, because of the questionable nature of the material.

This sounds like the anti Trump "pizzagate."
The claims being made, are highly suspect.
 
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