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Le Pen to push for 'Frexit' if EU refuses to cede powers

Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

coldjoint said:
I'm glad they called and told you.
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Well a lot of the pro-Brexit politicians admitted openly admitted it and most of their promises were lies.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Iffy or not, the idea that France is being occupied or oppressed and therefore needs to be "liberated" is completely off the wall.
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Whatever "France" is. But its population did lose its sovereignty. There is no doubt there.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

joG said:
Whatever "France" is. But its population did lose its sovereignty. There is no doubt there.
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Seeing as France no longer has its empire.....the state of France.

Oh really? Are the mighty Dutch and Belgian armies going to come marching over the border if France decides it doesn't want to do what the EU wants?
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Tigerace117 said:
Seeing as France no longer has its empire.....the state of France.

Oh really? Are the mighty Dutch and Belgian armies going to come marching over the border if France decides it doesn't want to do what the EU wants?
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You needn't have an army to dominate a population, if such domination is in the elite's interest.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
Nope, you don't get to keep the Euro once you leave the EU or keep the perks of being in the EU.
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I don't even see why they'd want to keep the Euro. One of the hallmarks of sovereignty is currency. They would have far more control of the Franc than the Euro.
 
Koke said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/le-pen-push-frexit-eu-refuses-return-key-133007222.html

France prepares for liberation as the Trump effect resonates worldwide. Deathknell of the EU?

Please.
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The EU is similar to the USA, but not as old. I think the disconnect between the disparate States and the centers of Economic Control (ECB) is the problem. The EU has, to its' detriment, allowed itself to be used by the USA/NATO militarily and economically. The current EU sanctions against Russia have cost Europeans billions of dollars just because the USA initiated a Coup d"etat in Ukraine, and then tried to blame all negative results on Russia. Next you will hear Russia is threatening the EU by moving troops near EU border. The Mainstream Media will ignore that the USA just sent a hundred tanks and 3500 troops adjacent Russian borders. Tit for Tat, don't ya' know? Italy, France, Greece, Portugal, and others would all be better off without the EU and the discontent has left a mark. We keep seeing the oppressed (99%) rejecting management by the Elite (1%). I just hope the resentment remains peaceful.
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Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
And now the British right has no idea what to do about what they never really had a plan for, a weaker pound, eroding pension funds, the EU telling the UK exactly what I am telling you.
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What price tag do you put on sovereignty and self-determination?
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Tigerace117 said:
If you actually think the EU is as bad as friggin Nazi Germany you are living in some other reality, because you are sure as hell not living in this one.
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Does it have to be just has bad?
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Fishking said:
What price tag do you put on sovereignty and self-determination?
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The same I give to loaded questions which are irrelevant. Sovereignty and self-determination aren't eroded by a common economic monetary policy.

:lol:
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
The same I give to loaded questions which are irrelevant. Sovereignty and self-determination aren't eroded by a common economic monetary policy.

:lol:
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Ceding power of your currency cedes sovereignty. One of the highest hallmarks of sovereignty is currency. It is stupid to give up control of your currency. Even before they decided to leave the EU, I think one of the smartest moves the UK made was to keep the pound.
 
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Ikari said:
Ceding power of your currency cedes sovereignty.
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Utter nonsense by the anti-globalists who never really understood the reason behind the euro or EU to begin with.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Carjosse said:
Well a lot of the pro-Brexit politicians admitted openly admitted it and most of their promises were lies.
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Isn't it a little early to judge the results or call in promises?
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

coldjoint said:
Isn't it a little early to judge the results or call in promises?
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Well they already said they basically made it up. And the EU has already said the UK will not get what it wants.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Carjosse said:
Well they already said they basically made it up. And the EU has already said the UK will not get what it wants.
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How about example of "they" saying that. And, what do you base your faith on that EU will do what it says, as opposed to using that rhetoric to keep other members in line?
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

coldjoint said:
How about example of "they" saying that. And, what do you base your faith on that EU will do what it says, as opposed to using that rhetoric to keep other members in line?
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The EU is in the position of power in any negotiations, and they have every reason to make an example of the UK.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
Utter nonsense by the anti-globalists who never really understood the reason behind the euro or EU to begin with.
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Utter nonsense, control over currency gives tools for control over economy and protection against fluctuations from others. To cede power of one's currency is to cede sovereignty. It's utterly stupid in today's day and age to do so, the Euro particularly was stupid and now countries are held liable for member-states who cooked their books to get favorable exchange rates wherein before they had the protection of their own currency.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
Utter nonsense by the anti-globalists who never really understood the reason behind the euro or EU to begin with.
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You don't get the irony of you saying sovereignty is not ceded and then openly admit to being a globalist, do you?
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
The same I give to loaded questions which are irrelevant. Sovereignty and self-determination aren't eroded by a common economic monetary policy.

:lol:
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So you don't have an answer to the question. Thank you for your concession.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Fishking said:
So you don't have an answer to the question. Thank you for your concession.
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... I don't answer loaded questions. Your 'sovereignty' and 'self-determination' aren't eroded by the Euro.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Fishking said:
You don't get the irony of you saying sovereignty is not ceded and then openly admit to being a globalist, do you?
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Openly... admitting to being a globalist... by calling out your non-sense as anti-globalism? When you start off with the silly premise that you give up sovereignty by voluntarily entering agreements that you can exit at any point, not really.

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Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Carjosse said:
The EU is in the position of power in any negotiations, and they have every reason to make an example of the UK.
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The eu is not in any position of power, britain was one of their largest members voting to leave, being one of the biggest economic powerhouses in europe, it is pretty much mandatory the eu continue trade with them anyways, with only a little leniency on how favorable they make it.

Problem is if france leaves too, the eu might as well be dead. Greece italy and spain have falling apart economies, and their lack of a sovereign currency are dragging them down, and the dragging them dwn from the euro is dragging down the whole eu. If france leaves ital and spain would probably be next, followed by greece, since it seems germany is the powerhouse benefactor of the eu, and not so much the other countries.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
... I don't answer loaded questions. Your 'sovereignty' and 'self-determination' aren't eroded by the Euro.
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They are when the economic system is gamed by a handful of big banks and internationalist mega-corporations.
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Hatuey said:
Openly... admitting to being a globalist... by calling out your non-sense as anti-globalism? When you start off with the silly premise that you give up sovereignty by voluntarily entering agreements that you can exit at any point, not really.

:lol:
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It is funny that you confuse anti-globalism and anti-internationalism. You seem to have quite the track record of confusing ideological systems with other ideological systems...
 
Re: France: Le Pen Begins to Maneuver for Frexit

Tigerace117 said:
If you actually think the EU is as bad as friggin Nazi Germany you are living in some other reality, because you are sure as hell not living in this one.
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There actually are some parrallels here to ww2 here, minus the godwin nazi comparison. Germany is the main powerhouse of the eu, and does more to control europe now than hitler did with the nazis and military force. A big issue with alot of eu countries is how little say they have in anything and how much germany has in running the show, each country has their own sovereign interests, and when their interests get overshadows by the biggest players, they tend to want to leave.
 
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