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Here Is The US Intel Report Accusing Putin Of Helping Trump Win The Election

Mac77 said:
My evidence of hillary furnishing classifed informstion to the russians?

As good as obama claiming the russians tilted the election to trump

It is quite impossible to believe the russians would ignore her emsil server and not hack it
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Probably true.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The only way that Trump could be impeached for Treason is if there was evidence of him and Putin colluding. Even that 25 page report admits that there is no evidence of such. So it doesn't matter if they are trying to go after Trump for treason because there is no evidence of such. If that is what they are doing and continue to try and do so then it just shows them to be idiots.
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I think that the Senate hearing made it pretty clear that the GOP is head hunting Trump. Either Trump is going to get in line with the actions against Putin or they will get ride of him. If you watch that hearing it sounds like they are serious about doing a lot more than sanctions.
 
PoS said:
I'm pretty sure that the Russians did attempt to influence the US election, but then again many countries have done this, including our own, so its nothing new. The game is always being played, its just the players change from time to time.

On the other hand, the dems have no one to blame but themselves for the hacked emails- their IT manager ought to be fired for gross incompetence.
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The U.S. is no stranger to interfering in the elections of other countries - LA Times
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I think that the Senate hearing made it pretty clear that the GOP is head hunting Trump. Either Trump is going to get in line with the actions against Putin or they will get ride of him. If you watch that hearing it sounds like they are serious about doing a lot more than sanctions.
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Getting "in line" is the exact opposite of what people who voted for him expect of him, so...
 
Remember when Hillaries hard drives were subpoenaed and they immediately, accidentally, got destroyed? Such that, suddenly, none of her emails could be accessed. Anyone remember that?
 
Risky Thicket said:
The Russians also hacked other people and organizations including members of the GOP and maybe the RNC itself. However the Russians were mining for Hillary related information, which they found and made available to wikileaks. The Russians did not release information regarding the GOP accounts they hacked.

Yes, Hillary & Company made the work very easy for the Russian hackers but compared to what? We don't know what else they have. Do they have dirty pictures on Trump? Maybe but they purposely did not release them.
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Have to keep those for later, when then want to pull his strings and make him dance to their tune.
 
Casper said:
Have to keep those for later, when then want to pull his strings and make him dance to their tune.
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Bingo! The Russians did their homework and saw the chance to help seat a maniac. They have the goods on Trump and will hold it over his head.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Bingo! The Russians did their homework and saw the chance to help seat a maniac. They have the goods on Trump and will hold it over his head.
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Trump is no maniac

But the anti trump hysteria is bordering on insanity.

Libs need to get a grip on their emotions before they slip over the edge
 
Mac77 said:
Trump is no maniac

But the anti trump hysteria is bordering on insanity.

Libs need to get a grip on their emotions before they slip over the edge
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Trump is unstable.

Why are you talking to me about liberals? You are not making much sense. You're all over the place.
 
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Mycroft said:
shrug...

According to that report, RT was instrumental in influencing our election...in 2012.

Big deal. Obama still won.
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I don't understand the RT crap anyway. Who the hell in the US buys anything that RT says or even cares?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Trump supporters are no longer interested in engaging with reality. You've gone completely delusional and, frankly, traitorous.
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The reality is that Trump won and he won because three blue states voted for him. Without all three of those blue states we would have president Hillary.
 
Risky Thicket said:
The Russians also hacked other people and organizations including members of the GOP and maybe the RNC itself. However the Russians were mining for Hillary related information, which they found and made available to wikileaks. The Russians did not release information regarding the GOP accounts they hacked.

Yes, Hillary & Company made the work very easy for the Russian hackers but compared to what? We don't know what else they have. Do they have dirty pictures on Trump? Maybe but they purposely did not release them.
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Russia was not able to hack the RNC. With Hillary running constant negative ads against Trump, what could the Russians have done against Trump to top that?
 
KevinKohler said:
Remember when Hillaries hard drives were subpoenaed and they immediately, accidentally, got destroyed? Such that, suddenly, none of her emails could be accessed. Anyone remember that?
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The Russians did that too! Reading this thread though has caused me to think of something. Hillary & Company knew that someone had hacked the emails way back when so they should have come clean way back when and done damage control so that there wouldn't be any last minute election surprises.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Bingo! The Russians did their homework and saw the chance to help seat a maniac. They have the goods on Trump and will hold it over his head.
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CT is lower down in the forum. What goods do they have on Trump that Hillary hasn't already tried to take advantage of like one million times?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Trump is unstable.

Why are you talking to me about liberals? You are not making much sense. You're all over the place.
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No he isn't. Liberals have been all over the place. First it was the electoral college. Then it was Comey's fault. Then it was election recounts. Then it was harassing electors into voting for someone else. Then it was the Russians. Recently it has been illegitimate electors. Even Joe Biden says, "It's over".
 
Moderate Right said:
The Russians did that too! Reading this thread though has caused me to think of something. Hillary & Company knew that someone had hacked the emails way back when so they should have come clean way back when and done damage control so that there wouldn't be any last minute election surprises.
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It's like this...try to follow the logic...

At first, the FBI couldn't find anything conclusive to even try to indict Hillary, due to the emails and whatnot being irretrievable, due to the damage to the hard drives. Couldn't even bring anyone in on unstructured of justice.

But now, all of a sudden, we can conclusively say that it was the Russian government that hacked those email servers.


LOL, wut?
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't understand the RT crap anyway. Who the hell in the US buys anything that RT says or even cares?
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I can't say I've ever watched much of RT, though they do have programming in English. But the "intelligence community" seems to be floating the notion that they are affecting...something.
 
Moderate Right said:
CT is lower down in the forum. What goods do they have on Trump that Hillary hasn't already tried to take advantage of like one million times?
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Well, uh, gee, MR, if we all knew it would be of no use to Putin, would it?

Off the top of my head, we do know that Trump, tapped out on debt to American bank credit, found willing Russian investors. Russian investors with shady connections. Nothing big happens in Russia without the approval of the oligarchs and ultimately Vladimir Putin. Doing big business with monied Russians is perhaps not that much different than doing business with the mafia.

American banks saw/see Trump Enterprises as a bad risk or they'd willing to lend him even more money. Are we then to assume that Russian financiers are less adept at investing? How much does Trump owe to Russian business "partners"? What was it that the Russians were able to secure their investments that American banks were not?

Where did Hillary address and answer these and related questions?
 
Moderate Right said:
No he isn't. Liberals have been all over the place. First it was the electoral college. Then it was Comey's fault. Then it was election recounts. Then it was harassing electors into voting for someone else. Then it was the Russians. Recently it has been illegitimate electors. Even Joe Biden says, "It's over".
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Let me be of some personal assistance to you, MR. As I said in another thread "liberal" is not a four letter word. Once you understand and accept that you might find it a bit easier to be objective.

All people who opposed Trump and all the people who are not looking forward to his presidency are not liberals. Sure, some are. Many who opposed Trump and many who are not looking forward to his presidency are Republicans, conservatives, Libertarians and Independents. You are doing yourself no favors when you assume everyone who doesn't feel as you do is a liberal. That is simply not correct.

Once you reach that understanding and acceptance then you might have the opportunity to ask yourself objectively why some conservatives and Republicans did not and do not support Trump. Doing so does not mean that you will change your opinion of Trump but it should give you a more helpful perspective. Trump is not a deus ex machina sent by Jesus to save America. There never has been such a person in American politics.

For the record, I am an Independent. I do not belong to a political party. I don't need or want a political master. I prefer to think for myself and to vote according to my conscience. Partisanship has a great tendency to blind partisans.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Outside of Trump supporters everyone else see's that this is serious. They want to through rocks....
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So you support throwing rocks?


And, by throwing rocks, I assume we meaning, retaliate in kind, escalating to a possible proxy war, or even, gasp....REAL war, with Russia?


Because...Russia exposed that Hillary was a lying, cheating scumbag, as was the DNC, at a politically critical time?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Well, uh, gee, MR, if we all knew it would be of no use to Putin, would it?

Off the top of my head, we do know that Trump, tapped out on debt to American bank credit, found willing Russian investors. Russian investors with shady connections. Nothing big happens in Russia without the approval of the oligarchs and ultimately Vladimir Putin. Doing big business with monied Russians is perhaps not that much different than doing business with the mafia.

American banks saw/see Trump Enterprises as a bad risk or they'd willing to lend him even more money. Are we then to assume that Russian financiers are less adept at investing? How much does Trump owe to Russian business "partners"? What was it that the Russians were able to secure their investments that American banks were not?

Where did Hillary address and answer these and related questions?
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Just like I said. The conspiracy forum is farther down. Got any more 2017 predications you want to guess at?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Let me be of some personal assistance to you, MR. As I said in another thread "liberal" is not a four letter word. Once you understand and accept that you might find it a bit easier to be objective.

All people who opposed Trump and all the people who are not looking forward to his presidency are not liberals. Sure, some are. Many who opposed Trump and many who are not looking forward to his presidency are Republicans, conservatives, Libertarians and Independents. You are doing yourself no favors when you assume everyone who doesn't feel as you do is a liberal. That is simply not correct.

Once you reach that understanding and acceptance then you might have the opportunity to ask yourself objectively why some conservatives and Republicans did not and do not support Trump. Doing so does not mean that you will change your opinion of Trump but it should give you a more helpful perspective. Trump is not a deus ex machina sent by Jesus to save America. There never has been such a person in American politics.

For the record, I am an Independent. I do not belong to a political party. I don't need or want a political master. I prefer to think for myself and to vote according to my conscience. Partisanship has a great tendency to blind partisans.
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You seem to forget that Trump is president because over 60 million people voted for him.
 
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