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Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election

calamity said:
In 2012, Putin had only recently returned to power; we were not yet sure he stole his own election; Russia was not stirring up trouble in the Ukraine or meddling in our election, and most of us were still remembering Palin saying she would keep an eye on Putin if he reared his head over her back porch. Minor details. I know.
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Presidents learn to think ahead, not behind, a minor detail, I know.
 
joG said:
No. Not really. That he didn't arrange support enough to get rid of Assad immediately was his failure.
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Yeah...that's the war crimes I'm talking about, arming extremists. Only the ill-informed thinks getting rid of Assad is better for our national security.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
The point went zooming right over your head.. Didn't it?
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Nope. It was just a ridiculous point.

N. Korea nor N. Vietnam would have attacked south without Russian equipment, support and in the case of Korea troops(pilots). Yet we did NOTHING to the Russians because we couldn't. GOP nor Dem prez didn't do a thing.
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What's that have to do with us?

And with Putin it is no different. We are very limited. Besides arming the Afghans( BTW is that a war crime?) Reagan didn't do a GD thing when there were Russian troops in Afghanistan. It's fun to sit safely behind our keyboards and say Obama should do this, or that to the Russians because we have no responsibility. So we can act like tough guys here. But the reality is since 1949 we've had to walk carefully when dealing with the Russians because of their nukes.
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If we were knowingly arming people to commit war crimes that is a war crime. That aside, I'm not acting like a tough guy from behind a key board because I'm advocating for trying to normalize relations and stop provocation. That aside, I have been both to Iraq and Afghanistan so not all my time has been spent behind a keyboard.
 
Fishking said:
Yeah...that's the war crimes I'm talking about, arming extremists. Only the ill-informed thinks getting rid of Assad is better for our national security.
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Ah! You are one of those guys that support mass murderers like Assad that have tortured thousands do. days, weeks and months till the were dead? I don't think that is acceptable.
 
joG said:
Need there be? The civil oder had receded and the dictator's sons were promising to kill all resistance.
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Yes, yes, yes... They were killing terrorists.

Good for them!
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, yes, yes... They were killing terrorists.

Good for them!
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Terrorist äs holding up posters? Asking the dictator abdicate? The regime stop torture and hand over the tortured to death? Horrible terrorists those mothers and students!!!
 
joG said:
Ah! You are one of those guys that support mass murderers like Assad that have tortured thousands do. days, weeks and months till the were dead? I don't think that is acceptable.
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Oh...you're one of those that:

1. Think that it's our responsibility to fix these problems in other countries.

2. Don't understand that this isn't the reason why were are there or we wouldn't be buddies with China or Saudi Arabia or Turkey or...

3. Think it's better to support Islamic extremists over someone more comparatively moderate.

and here's the big one.

4. Believe the lies being feed to you about he situation in Syria.
 
Fishking said:
Oh...you're one of those that:

1. Think that it's our responsibility to fix these problems in other countries.

2. Don't understand that this isn't the reason why were are there or we wouldn't be buddies with China or Saudi Arabia or Turkey or...

3. Think it's better to support Islamic extremists over someone more comparatively moderate.

and here's the big one.

4. Believe the lies being feed to you about he situation in Syria.
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You do know that those 'arguments' are rather disingenuous? They are fine for populist sniveling, but are totally embarrassing if brought up in intelligent debate. ;)
 
joG said:
Terrorist äs holding up posters? Asking the dictator abdicate? The regime stop torture and hand over the tortured to death? Horrible terrorists those mothers and students!!!
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They sure know how to play the media.
 
joG said:
You do know that those 'arguments' are rather disingenuous? They are fine for populist sniveling, but are totally embarrassing if brought up in intelligent debate. ;)
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Hmmm...no. They are all spot on and irrefutable.

Did Assad gas his people? Seems like it probably wasn't him, but you wouldn't know that, would you, because you get your propagand...I mean information spoon-fed to you.

Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times

Testimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.

But she said her panel had not yet seen any evidence of Syrian government forces using chemical weapons, according to the BBC, but she added that more investigation was needed.
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Unfortunately for you, you are way out of your element here and accusations of not having an intelligent position falls flat.
 
Fishking said:
Hmmm...no. They are all spot on and irrefutable.

Did Assad gas his people? Seems like it probably wasn't him, but you wouldn't know that, would you, because you get your propagand...I mean information spoon-fed to you.

Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad's regime: U.N. official - Washington Times



Unfortunately for you, you are way out of your element here and accusations of not having an intelligent position falls flat.
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"Indisputable "? You sound like Dr Merkel's 'alternativlos' that she gave up under ridicule.
 
joG said:
"Indisputable "? You sound like Dr Merkel's 'alternativlos' that she gave up under ridicule.
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You've yet to present any cogent rebuttal. It's OK, most people don't properly understand these things.
 
calamity said:
In 2012, Putin had only recently returned to power; we were not yet sure he stole his own election; Russia was not stirring up trouble in the Ukraine or meddling in our election, and most of us were still remembering Palin saying she would keep an eye on Putin if he reared his head over her back porch. Minor details. I know.
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Are you implying that being Prime Minister of Russia from 2008-2012, Putin wasn't in power? Here is a hint for you. Add the letters 'Ras' to the beginning of the name Putin. Think about that little trivia.
 
chromium said:
17 intelligence agencies already did so, there's a reason putin didn't have the RNC hacked obviously

But the EC interfered in the election even more regardless
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It is great to see that Coast Guard Intelligence has been expanding its mission. One of the proud 17 :lamo
 
Renae said:
Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election | TheHill

Looks like Russia is putting the screws to the Obama bull**** claims system of doing business. I find that amusing as hell.
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I would like to see this proof of the alleged Russian hacking. This claim that releasing evidence would reveal sources and methods for collecting info is a load of horse **** nothing more than code for "we ain't got nothing". I am not fan of Trump and will laugh my ass off when he backstabs everyone who voted for him.. But even I see that this is nothing more than an attempt by loony leftists who are sore their candidate lost to try to de-legitimize the Trump presidency. Loony right wingers couldn't de-legitimize Obama's presidency with fraudulent claims of him being born in Kenya and secrete Muslim. And loony left wingers couldn't de-legitimize Bush's presidency with bogus claims of going awol, election stealing and lying for war. So loony left wingers won't be able to de-legitimize Trump's presidency with bogus claims of Russian hacking.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Are you implying that being Prime Minister of Russia from 2008-2012, Putin wasn't in power? Here is a hint for you. Add the letters 'Ras' to the beginning of the name Putin. Think about that little trivia.
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He wasn't the all-powerful Putin we know of today with his sights on the Ukraine. Now, if you want to argue that we were off on our intelligence regarding his schemes, I'll agree. But, then you better be prepared for the attack which says Trump is a clueless dodo regarding it, has fallen for Putin's faux praises, and is a sitting duck for his real goal, which is to take back the Ukraine and have more influence on Eastern Europe.

Now, is all that a worthwhile trade to establish with us a solid EurAsian ally to fight Chinese expansionist plans and the Islamist radicalization of more and more countries? Perhaps. But, then be honest and say, "I do not give a **** about Europe; I just want a strong ally with whom to contain China and Islam."
 
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calamity said:
He wasn't the all-powerful Putin we know of today with his sights on the Ukraine. Now, if you want to argue that we were off on our intelligence regarding his schemes, I'll agree. But, then you better be prepared for the attack which says Trump is a clueless dodo regarding it, has fallen for Putin's faux praises, and is a sitting duck for his real goal, which is to take back the Ukraine and have more influence on Eastern Europe.

Now, is all that a worthwhile trade to establish with us a solid EurAsian ally to fight Chinese expansionist plans and the Islamist radicalization of more and more countries? Perhaps. But, then be honest and say, "I do not give a **** about Europe; I just want a strong ally with whom to contain China and Islam."
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Putin was well in charge whether he was President or Prime Minister, which he was one or the other since the 1990's, unless you have some proof that his power was diminished. You have already decided the relationship that is going to exist based on public posturing. To draw a parallel: Trump will have more "flexibility" once he takes office.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Putin was well in charge whether he was President or Prime Minister, which he was one or the other since the 1990's, unless you have some proof that his power was diminished. You have already decided the relationship that is going to exist based on public posturing. To draw a parallel: Trump will have more "flexibility" once he takes office.
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All the cia can do is offer an opinion

And under obama that could mean a politically motivated lie of his choosing

Hackers do not leave DNA samples that would stand up in court

But I'm concerned that our enemies have been hacking our government computers and stealing government secrets.

Hopefully trump will fire all the political appointees in the spy organizations thst were planted there by obama and replace them with people we can trust

Unfortunately the only reason obsma is blaming the russians is because he thinks they hurt his legacy

If it were only America that was harned obama would not care in the least
 
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