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Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

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corrected despite no assistance from a republican majority congress

Funny how you guys can find a way to blame Republicans 100% of the time whenever liberal policies fail.
 
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it was the GOPs economy that melted down
it was Obama's administration that rebounded the economy

But, but, but Republicans have been in control of Congress the last 6 years years and yet you blame them for everything. Oh wait a minute, you aren't blaming them. Oh wait a minute, yes you are. Can you please make up your mind!
 
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everything bad is the fault of the democrats. it takes them a long time to come up with the narrative, but there you have it.

everything bad is the fault of the Republicans. it takes them a long time to come up with the narrative, but there you have it.
 
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Bring jobs back to America and make stuff here again

The robot revolution is over hyped

Somehow the left believes that robots build and maintain themselves.
 
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1. The Dems held House and Senate for 2 years.
2. Obama made it clear it was his way, (I Won) or the highway
3. Reid held up HOW Many GOP proposals in the senate?

You might jerk off over that bumper sticker meme, but deep down, you know it's bull****.

I disagree. Deep down I don't think he knows it's bull.
 
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ooo Owl, I think you missed the fact that I've proven the blogatorial the thread is based on is lying.

That isn't my experience here. I am living in the real world and not on charts and grafts. The only reason part time jobs may have declined compared to full time jobs in my world is because a lot of even the part time jobs went away and not because they were replaced with full time jobs and that was most especially when the new taxes via Obamacare and other onerous mandates kicked in.

The fact remains that the largest percentage of the adult work force is not working now since the dismal record of the Carter administration.
 
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everything bad is the fault of the Republicans. it takes them a long time to come up with the narrative, but there you have it.

Originality is NOT your strong suit.
 
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That isn't my experience here. I am living in the real world and not on charts and grafts. The only reason part time jobs may have declined compared to full time jobs in my world is because a lot of even the part time jobs went away and not because they were replaced with full time jobs and that was most especially when the new taxes via Obamacare and other onerous mandates kicked in.

The fact remains that the largest percentage of the adult work force is not working now since the dismal record of the Carter administration.

Owl, try to focus. You said the lying blogatorial made sense. You're dancing around and deflecting from the fact that the blogatorial was lying. UE is at a 10 year low and part time work continues to decline. And you've somehow ignored the fact that part time work seemed to decline faster once the "onerous mandates kicked in". So put the "real world and not the charts and graphs" BS back in the garbage where you got it because you had no problem with "charts and graphs" when you thought they confirmed your conservative narrative.

the editorial lied. Your conservative masters will not stop lying to you until you stop listening. Making excuses for their lies only encourages them.
 
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I know some folks that own small businesses that used to employ people full time. After Obamacare they are only hiring part time people because they can't afford to pay for the health insurance. I live in an area that doesn't have any large businesses. Anyone that isn't a teleworker, business owner, work for a family business or retired has two or three part time jobs. Those people were better off before Obamacare.
How many people on average do these small business people that you know employ? Or give me an example of one of them?

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Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time

cool. i'm part of the six percent, apparently. the good news is that in the dimension in which Romney won, the economy is going swimmingly, and has vastly surpassed expectations and promises. the numbers there are essentially the same, though.
 
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Originality is NOT your strong suit.

While that may be true, at least I can see the truth, plagiarism aside.
 
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Owl, try to focus. You said the lying blogatorial made sense. You're dancing around and deflecting from the fact that the blogatorial was lying. UE is at a 10 year low and part time work continues to decline. And you've somehow ignored the fact that part time work seemed to decline faster once the "onerous mandates kicked in". So put the "real world and not the charts and graphs" BS back in the garbage where you got it because you had no problem with "charts and graphs" when you thought they confirmed your conservative narrative.

the editorial lied. Your conservative masters will not stop lying to you until you stop listening. Making excuses for their lies only encourages them.

I am very focused, thank you.

Again I don't go with the 'company' (make that a lying government) line. A historically low UE accomplished with near historically high numbers of low paying part time and temporary jobs coupled with the largest percentage of the adult work force not working in four decades because they've given up looking--that doesn't show on the UE stats. . .all that does not equate to a prosperous economy, opportunity, or security for Americans.
 
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the takeaway is that Obama inherited an economy approaching collapse
he has returned the economy to the point it has consistently added jobs
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Yes, H1B Visa and part time jobs.
 
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Does trump hire any H1B workers?
 
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Welcome to the new world order.

The problem of the 21st century will be one of employment. Precisely - in an ever increasing environment where machines and technology takes over a larger part of the tasks that could be performed by human workers, how do we find gainful employment for millions of people who are now simply irrelevant to the entire process?

Solve that problem and you win all sorts of prizes.


Start encouraging people to become entrepreneurial. I mean encourage people to start business and look for and take advantage of business opportunity. Teaching them to find jobs is going to doom them to obscurity. Teaching them to find business is a start to getting people into the mindset of going out and making things happen. Show them THEY can OWN the machines that take their jobs. Teach people to have their fingers in many pies so if one goes away they can simply find a new one to replace it without to big hit, in other words risk management. Teach people to be part of consortiums and co-ops to help bring in income and bag larger projects than they could alone.
 
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...'a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger, confirms exactly what we warned. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015. Alternative, or "gig" work is defined as "temporary help agency workers, on-call workers, contract company workers, independent contractors or freelancers", and is generally unsteady, without a fixed paycheck and with virtually no benefits.

The two economists also found that each of the common types of alternative work increased from 2005 to 2015—with the largest changes in the number of independent contractors and workers provided by contract firms, such as janitors that work full-time at a particular office, but are paid by a janitorial services firm.

Krueger, who until 2013 was also the top White House economist serving as chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Obama, was "surprised" by the finding.

Quoted by quartz, he said “We find that 94% of net job growth in the past decade was in the alternative work category,” said Krueger. “And over 60% was due to the [the rise] of independent contractors, freelancers and contract company workers.” In other words, nearly all of the 10 million jobs created between 2005 and 2015 were not traditional nine-to-five employment.'


https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites...r/files/katz_krueger_cws_-_march_29_20165.pdf

Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?

Finally... someone posts about the real weakness in our economy. This arguing about the Labor Participation Rate, which is something very few people understand, was ludicrous, as that was really more of a testament to a strength than a weakness, was a distraction from the real weakness.

The problem is a lack of good, steady middle income jobs. This phenomenon, however, is structural. It is not the fault of Obama nor Bush.... as it goes back for several decades. But, if you want to blame a President for this, its probably Reagan. Our tax policies and our union busting had much to do with wage decline.... but that is not completely what we are speaking about here.

Similar to the labor participation rate, however, don't think that a raw number is inherently a bad thing (or a good thing). Numbers are not qualitative. The advent of the personal computer and mobile phones have made operating as a sole entity much easier than it was several decades ago. The social contract between large companies and their employees (it use to be an offer for a job with IBM was an offer for a lifetime career with IBM) expired in the 1980's (for a variety of reasons, including emphasis on short-term profits), meaning smart people are more nibble (they stay self-employed).

Note the title of the piece by the Princeton University Professor is: "The Rise and Nature of Alternative Work Arrangements in the United States, 1995-2015".... his piece is not qualitative either. it speaks to the economic ramifications of a social trend.... and it studies it from the Clinton administration (again, nothing to do with Obama)

https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites...r/files/katz_krueger_cws_-_march_29_20165.pdf

I, for one, have been pretty much free-lance since 1990. I have had some "gigs" (I probably have had 10 W-2's since 1990)... so, I would be in that statistic... but, I have also been a 1% in terms of income through much (but not all..also had a few bad years) of that period. Again, I hate examples of one, except they are arguments against "all" or "none".....

So, I caution you to think that this is necessarily a "bad thing".
 
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Start encouraging people to become entrepreneurial. I mean encourage people to start business and look for and take advantage of business opportunity. Teaching them to find jobs is going to doom them to obscurity. Teaching them to find business is a start to getting people into the mindset of going out and making things happen. Show them THEY can OWN the machines that take their jobs. Teach people to have their fingers in many pies so if one goes away they can simply find a new one to replace it without to big hit, in other words risk management. Teach people to be part of consortiums and co-ops to help bring in income and bag larger projects than they could alone.

I agree 100% with that suggestion. It is a great one and will help in more ways than one.
 
Re: Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Tim

...'a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger, confirms exactly what we warned. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015. Alternative, or "gig" work is defined as "temporary help agency workers, on-call workers, contract company workers, independent contractors or freelancers", and is generally unsteady, without a fixed paycheck and with virtually no benefits.

The two economists also found that each of the common types of alternative work increased from 2005 to 2015—with the largest changes in the number of independent contractors and workers provided by contract firms, such as janitors that work full-time at a particular office, but are paid by a janitorial services firm.

Krueger, who until 2013 was also the top White House economist serving as chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Obama, was "surprised" by the finding.

Quoted by quartz, he said “We find that 94% of net job growth in the past decade was in the alternative work category,” said Krueger. “And over 60% was due to the [the rise] of independent contractors, freelancers and contract company workers.” In other words, nearly all of the 10 million jobs created between 2005 and 2015 were not traditional nine-to-five employment.'


https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites...r/files/katz_krueger_cws_-_march_29_20165.pdf

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Thank you sooo much for posting this, DA60.

I had a very strong hunch about this from doing my own personal survey in recent years to confirm what the "global economy" government policies and corporate behavior were clearly suggesting.

This link I posted also "hinted" at the problem: http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/273021-way-fewer-adults-earn-more-than-their-parents.html.

This past election seemed to focus way more on selective identity politics than on the economic challenges that everyone faces, so I don't think enough of these facts, like the one you posted here, have been brought into the public light.

It's information like this that could help to compel problem-solvers in authority to take action.
 
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I don't mean to be a bother but if "some folks" employ more that 50 workers, its not that small a business. and also "The employer mandate is based on full-time equivalent employees, not just full-time employees." So stopping at 49 employees and then just hiring part time doesn't make the mandate go away. The mandate only goes away for the part time employees. Try get your "narrative" to line up better with the facts.

I mean businesses with less than 15 employees. I live near a small mountain community. Try to improve your assumption skills. You suck at assumptions. Your last statement shows that your intention is intended to be a bother.
 
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How many people on average do these small business people that you know employ? Or give me an example of one of them?

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Two are small grocery stores. One is a small hardware store. Two art galleries. Three real estate offices but those don't count. Those employees are contract. Several restaurants. A log furniture manufacturing business. Some other small companies like logging, excavation and landscaping. One towing company. None employ more than 15 people. It is a small mountain community.
 
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Start encouraging people to become entrepreneurial. I mean encourage people to start business and look for and take advantage of business opportunity. Teaching them to find jobs is going to doom them to obscurity. Teaching them to find business is a start to getting people into the mindset of going out and making things happen. Show them THEY can OWN the machines that take their jobs. Teach people to have their fingers in many pies so if one goes away they can simply find a new one to replace it without to big hit, in other words risk management. Teach people to be part of consortiums and co-ops to help bring in income and bag larger projects than they could alone.

if tRump is successful in reducing corporate tax rates to 15%, that will likely motivate many people to discontinue being wage earners and instead become independent contractors, then subject to a lower tax rate. they would then also be able to expense items - such as transportation and depreciation - that they cannot benefit from now
 
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Nope. They aren't the ones that started the fire. But it was un America not to try to put it out.

Yup, the Democrats did everything in their power to protect and make sure Fannie and Freddie were unregulated.



Fannie an Freddie ommitted hundreds of billions of worthless debt every year ( 2004- 2008 ) from their SEC quarterly reports while distrubiting and purchasing Trillions of dollars in MBSs backed by subprime loans.

Their toxic " AAA " debt was distributed throughout the Worlds capital markets and investment banks and Bush called for a 3rd party regator as early as 2002

To make matters worse the Democrats passed a Healthcare law that specifically targeted the discretionary income of middle class Americans.

The " Rich " can afford expontial cost increases, the poor get 100% subsidized healthcare and the middleclass get nailed.

Add in the regulatory and tax policy effects on the economy and the job market, and the Obama administrations decision to feed Americans a unending line of BS propaganda poorly disguised as positive economic data

Yes, the Obama administations to blame and then some. Its one of the main reasons why the GOP has been cleaning the clocks of the Democrats since 2010.

Obama's too much of a narcisistic man child to admit that he and his legacy helped to destroy the Democrat brand
 
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if tRump is successful in reducing corporate tax rates to 15%, that will likely motivate many people to discontinue being wage earners and instead become independent contractors, then subject to a lower tax rate. they would then also be able to expense items - such as transportation and depreciation - that they cannot benefit from now

ObamaCare has already done that. Companies are hiring people as independent contractors to get around the cost of providing healthcare to full time employees.

My sons company went from 20 full time techs down to a office staff.

Techs were rehired as independent contractors
 
Re: Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Tim

...'a report by Harvard and Princeton economists Lawrence Katz and Alan Krueger, confirms exactly what we warned. In their study, the duo show that from 2005 to 2015, the proportion of Americans workers engaged in what they refer to as “alternative work” soared during the Obama era, from 10.7% in 2005 to 15.8% in 2015. Alternative, or "gig" work is defined as "temporary help agency workers, on-call workers, contract company workers, independent contractors or freelancers", and is generally unsteady, without a fixed paycheck and with virtually no benefits.

The two economists also found that each of the common types of alternative work increased from 2005 to 2015—with the largest changes in the number of independent contractors and workers provided by contract firms, such as janitors that work full-time at a particular office, but are paid by a janitorial services firm.

Krueger, who until 2013 was also the top White House economist serving as chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Obama, was "surprised" by the finding.

Quoted by quartz, he said “We find that 94% of net job growth in the past decade was in the alternative work category,” said Krueger. “And over 60% was due to the [the rise] of independent contractors, freelancers and contract company workers.” In other words, nearly all of the 10 million jobs created between 2005 and 2015 were not traditional nine-to-five employment.'


https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites...r/files/katz_krueger_cws_-_march_29_20165.pdf

Top Ex-White House Economist Admits 94% Of All New Jobs Under Obama Were Part-Time | Zero Hedge


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It's another showing an employer's market. The Dems have done nothing for full time employment and the Republicans have ushered in a no benefits labor market. The paradigm has been allowed to shift and the neoliberlas have just rolled over for it. There is nobody and not just individuals, but organized bodies of political influence that have worked to help demand side economics since 1980. The whole thing's gone down the tubes in favor of right to work states, low wages, and part time work.
 
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it was the GOPs economy that melted down
it was Obama's administration that rebounded the economy

They created the 39 hour work week thanks to Obamacare, AKA part time jobs. Thanks Obama...
 
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