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Van Basten said:
Proving me right.

Yikes.
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The only thing proven in this thread is your inability to make a coherent statement. So if you actually have something intelligent to say, the floor is yours. If not, go troll someone else.
 
Quazimodo said:
It wouldn't surprise me to find that you guys who are crying the loudest about rich people are actually all on welfare. Tattoos, nose rings, and welfare checks. What a bunch of loooooosers.
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I am sure many are just like many very conservatives refer to their sixth grade as their senior year.
 
prometeus said:
I am sure many are just like many very conservatives refer to their sixth grade as their senior year.
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HaHa. And who is it that the left panders to? The poor with no education who work at Walmart or McDonalds.
 
Moderate Right said:
The thing is, we live in a democracy.
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No, we live in a constitutional republic. I thought a rootin' tootin' Conservative would know that.

Moderate Right said:
Everyone is allowed to get as rich as they want, including the poor. There are no laws limiting the amount of money the rich can make. It isn't the rich's fault that they know how to do it better than the poor.
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And what if the rich man makes it impossible for the poor to benefit and live happily? Do you believe that tyranny can only come from the public sector and not the private?

Moderate Right said:
Liberal policies don't do much to rectify the situation.
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Liberal policies helped put food on my plate after my father left the Army and forced to work 2 jobs to afford the dinky trailer home we lived in until he can get on his feet and continue protecting people as a Police Officer. I know plenty of other people with similar stories.

Moderate Right said:
Most, if not all, liberal policies are variations of taking money away from the rich like with increased taxes and redistributing it to the poor but the poor relying on government handouts can only go so far. It encourages the poor to rely on government programs which keeps them in a constant state of dependency.
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Have you ever had to rely on federal aide, MR? Pell grants, food stamps, etc? Because I had to, and I can assure you that this perception that people become "dependent" on them is ****ing sickening. I can almost assure you the ones who stay on federal programs like food stamps work full time, work multiple part time jobs, or a mix from group A and group B. But I can see easy it is to live in your world when federal aid is considered "handouts" for "lazy people."

Moderate Right said:
While these programs can help the poor they do not give the poor a very high standard of living and does nothing to encourage them to improve their own lives, merely to accept handouts.
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So tell me, MR. Either regulate the private sector to provide low-wage workers enough income to support themselves to not depend on the government, or allow the government to foot the bill for things the private sector would not pay for, like food, and healthcare. You can't live in a world with neither.

Moderate Right said:
When liberal policies demand that the rich pay a "living wage", who pays for their increased labor costs? The poor do because the rich raise their prices and the poor are the ones who buy the rich's products so that does not redistribute the money at all. Pretty much all liberal policies screw the middle class and just take money away from the richest and give it to the poorest where they don't have much of an increased standard of living and rely on handouts generation after generation, keeping them in their cycle of poverty.
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So then again I stress the question. Either we increase the amount of aid one gets to allow the lower/middle class to better themselves, or demand the private sector to do so. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.
 
CMPancake said:
No, we live in a constitutional republic. I thought a rootin' tootin' Conservative would know that.



And what if the rich man makes it impossible for the poor to benefit and live happily? Do you believe that tyranny can only come from the public sector and not the private?



Liberal policies helped put food on my plate after my father left the Army and forced to work 2 jobs to afford the dinky trailer home we lived in until he can get on his feet and continue protecting people as a Police Officer. I know plenty of other people with similar stories.



Have you ever had to rely on federal aide, MR? Pell grants, food stamps, etc? Because I had to, and I can assure you that this perception that people become "dependent" on them is ****ing sickening. I can almost assure you the ones who stay on federal programs like food stamps work full time, work multiple part time jobs, or a mix from group A and group B. But I can see easy it is to live in your world when federal aid is considered "handouts" for "lazy people."



So tell me, MR. Either regulate the private sector to provide low-wage workers enough income to support themselves to not depend on the government, or allow the government to foot the bill for things the private sector would not pay for, like food, and healthcare. You can't live in a world with neither.



So then again I stress the question. Either we increase the amount of aid one gets to allow the lower/middle class to better themselves, or demand the private sector to do so. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.
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Or, cut off the gravy train and motivate people to get up off their asses and find a better paying job. The Leftist attitude that it's impossible for minimum wage workers to excel without government is counter-productive.
 
apdst said:
Or, cut off the gravy train and motivate people to get up off their asses and find a better paying job.
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Shall I recite the story of how it would have been impossible for my father to put food on my table after he ETS'd out of the Army and was stuck working two jobs without federal aide?

apdst said:
The Leftist attitude that it's impossible for minimum wage workers to excel without government is counter-productive.
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It's not impossible per se, but extremely difficult. It doesn't help people are trapped seeking federal assistance due to the Private sector mooching off the government by having them provide aide instead of just paying people a livable wage.
 
CMPancake said:
Shall I recite the story of how it would have been impossible for my father to put food on my table after he ETS'd out of the Army and was stuck working two jobs without federal aide?



It's not impossible per se, but extremely difficult. It doesn't help people are trapped seeking federal assistance due to the Private sector mooching off the government by having them provide aide instead of just paying people a livable wage.
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Did your father get a job and get off welfare?
 
apdst said:
But, your family wasn't generationally dependent? Right?
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My father's side were Polish immigrants who were refugees, they were extraordinarily dependent on the government allowing them into the country.
 
CMPancake said:
My father's side were Polish immigrants who were refugees, they were extraordinarily dependent on the government allowing them into the country.
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Generations of your family have been collecting a welfare check? If so, that's the kind of dependency we need to discourage.
 
apdst said:
Generations of your family have been collecting a welfare check? If so, that's the kind of dependency we need to discourage.
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Yes, we should discourage war refugees from entering the country to contribute by creating several generations of soldiers to defend the world from evil people that force people out of their home countries that would depend on aide because we live in a system that rather throw away veterans instead of take care of them.
 
CMPancake said:
And what if the rich man makes it impossible for the poor to benefit and live happily? Do you believe that tyranny can only come from the public sector and not the private? The rich have nothing to do with the poor being poor. That is either their fault or their parent's fault. America gives everyone the opportunity to be as rich as they want, even the poor. There are many, many examples of that, I'll pick Oprah Winfrey, just to name one.



Liberal policies helped put food on my plate after my father left the Army and forced to work 2 jobs to afford the dinky trailer home we lived in until he can get on his feet and continue protecting people as a Police Officer. I know plenty of other people with similar stories. You imply that that would not be the case under conservative power. Are you saying that under Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and that under Trump there were not and will not be any social programs that help put food on the plate of the poor? That's dishonest biased partisan claptrap.



Have you ever had to rely on federal aide, MR? Pell grants, food stamps, etc? Because I had to, and I can assure you that this perception that people become "dependent" on them is ****ing sickening. I can almost assure you the ones who stay on federal programs like food stamps work full time, work multiple part time jobs, or a mix from group A and group B. But I can see easy it is to live in your world when federal aid is considered "handouts" for "lazy people." My parents were poor and relied on government programs to help them out from time to time. I pulled myself up by the bootstraps and so did they. They did whatever they could to get by without having to be dependent on government programs and so did I. I started out poor, just like my parents. Again, you imply that under Republican rule that there would be no programs. That's just a partisan lie. Please provide proof that under Republican control there were no programs to help the poor.



So tell me, MR. Either regulate the private sector to provide low-wage workers enough income to support themselves to not depend on the government, or allow the government to foot the bill for things the private sector would not pay for, like food, and healthcare. You can't live in a world with neither. What the hell are you talking about? The government does foot the poor's bill for for food and healthcare, and has even under Republican control. And, by the way, anyone with a job earns money, so therefore the private sector does help pay for food and healthcare, pets that the poor can't afford, and alcohol, cigarettes, and lottery tickets. It's not business's job to make up for the bad choices the poor make. You also seem to think that every business owner is rich and can afford to pay more. Most can't. And, if they raise their prices to pay the poor more, who do you think pays for the higher prices? You guys are the ones on record as saying that the poor spend 100% of their money so, in effect, the poor are the ones who would be paying for their own raises.



So then again I stress the question. Either we increase the amount of aid one gets to allow the lower/middle class to better themselves, or demand the private sector to do so. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.So, you are saying that if we increase government aid to the poor, they won't be dependent on government help? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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CMPancake said:
Yes, we should discourage war refugees from entering the country to contribute by creating several generations of soldiers to defend the world from evil people that force people out of their home countries that would depend on aide because we live in a system that rather throw away veterans instead of take care of them.
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The war refugees should stay in their home country and rebuild.
 
CMPancake said:
Yes, we should discourage war refugees from entering the country to contribute by creating several generations of soldiers to defend the world from evil people that force people out of their home countries that would depend on aide because we live in a system that rather throw away veterans instead of take care of them.
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But, but, but, liberals are against wars and don't want to engage in foreign intervention. Who cares what happens in the rest of the world? Think of all that money we could spend on the poor if we didn't get involved in things happening outside of our own borders, just let the oppression continue around the world and don't do anything about it but open our country to all of the refugees. We wouldn't need these people for soldiers. Therefore, your own beliefs make these people generational dependents on the government while they would be of not benefit to us as soldiers because we wouldn't need soldiers to fight abroad under liberal policies.
 
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apdst said:
The war refugees should stay in their home country and rebuild.
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Yes, my grandparents should have stayed in German occupied Germany. Brilliant stuff as always.

Moderate Right said:
But, but, but, liberals are against wars and don't want to engage in foreign intervention.
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Speaking as a liberal in the United States Army, you couldn't be any more wrong.

Moderate Right said:
Who cares what happens in the rest of the world?
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What an ignorant, misrepresentation of a political ideology.

Moderate Right said:
Think of all that money we could spend on the poor if we didn't get involved in things happening outside of our own borders, just let the oppression continue around the world and don't do anything about it but open our country to all of the refugees.We wouldn't need these people for soldiers.
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Your entire political worldview depends on this concept of Liberals that doesn't exist. It's like watching someone dedicate themselves to hunting Bigfoot.

Moderate Right said:
Therefore, your own beliefs make these people generational dependents on the government while they would be of not benefit to us as soldiers because we wouldn't need soldiers to fight abroad under liberal policies.
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Have you ever served, Moderate Right? I know several people in the military that enlisted for citizenship. Some Mexican, some from the Middle East from countries like Iraq, and Syria, and even a few Koreans. But again, you don't care about any of this because it's apparent the only way any of this makes any sense to you is if "Liberals = bad"
 
CMPancake said:
Yes, my grandparents should have stayed in German occupied Germany. Brilliant stuff as always.



Speaking as a liberal in the United States Army, you couldn't be any more wrong.



What an ignorant, misrepresentation of a political ideology.



Your entire political worldview depends on this concept of Liberals that doesn't exist. It's like watching someone dedicate themselves to hunting Bigfoot.



Have you ever served, Moderate Right? I know several people in the military that enlisted for citizenship. Some Mexican, some from the Middle East from countries like Iraq, and Syria, and even a few Koreans. But again, you don't care about any of this because it's apparent the only way any of this makes any sense to you is if "Liberals = bad"
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Most, not all, service people vote Republican because they know liberals will put them out of a job. Do you deny this?
 
Moderate Right said:
Most, not all, service people vote Republican because they know liberals will put them out of a job. Do you deny this?
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The majority of servicemen and women vote Republican, yes. Well in spite of the fact the number of DoD doesn't dramatically change with a difference between red or blue. Retention, DoD spending, and recruiting is wildly more nuanced to give sole credit to who's sitting in the oval office. But you are ducking my question, have you ever enlisted? Or how about have you ever met anyone who enlisted for citizenship?
 
CMPancake said:
The majority of servicemen and women vote Republican, yes. Well in spite of the fact the number of DoD doesn't dramatically change with a difference between red or blue. Retention, DoD spending, and recruiting is wildly more nuanced to give sole credit to who's sitting in the oval office. But you are ducking my question, have you ever enlisted? Or how about have you ever met anyone who enlisted for citizenship?
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I have never enlisted and I have never met anyone who enlisted to get citizenship.
 
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