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jonny5 said:
Again, they arent MSM, because their narrative isnt widespread. They are only one source. The liberal media is much more widespread. Newspapers, evening broadcast tv, late night talk shows, govt funded media, social media, hollywood. Thats what makes it mainstream.
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Fox News is MSM. Their reach is country wide (and I would say world wide as well). That is widespread no matter how you slice it. Just because someone is more conservative than another doesn't make someone NOT a conservative. The same goes for Fox News, they are MSM. Just because some outlets "may" have more doesn't make them not.
 
jonny5 said:
MSM IS bad because its a echo chamber. Theyre all saying literally the same talking points. Rush Limbaugh likes to do this thing where he plays back clips of talking head on many different networks and shows literally saying the exact same words. Like 'gravitas'.
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Fox News is an echo chamber for the right.
 
haymarket said:
I believe in knowing the enemy so I do watch. And what I see is a network which could just as well be named TRUMP TV.

Are we clear now?
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The fact you see your political opponents as "the enemy" tells me all I need to know. Thanks.

ocean515 said:
If you're going to go down the crazy road
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Asking you to provide evidence of your claims is not "crazy road". Please provide your evidence.

I did not claim more people watch Fox News. Re-read my post if you need to.
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I did not claim you did. Re-read my post if you need to.

No, I claimed that you suggested that "liberal/socialist progressives" claim more people watch Fox News than the Big 3. I asked you to cite examples of where "liberal/socialist progressives" claimed more people watch Fox News than the Big 3. You've yet to provide any evidence of "liberal/socialist progressives" making such a claim.

So, again, do you have any evidence or were you just vomiting rhetoric?

What I have stated is that liberal/socialist progressives constantly claim those on the right are fixated on Fox News, and that Fox is their source for news, period.
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That is not what you stated. I'm trying to have a sincere discussion with you, so be honest about what you said. Here are your exact words:

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Yet, the liberal/socialist progressive leaning MSM news channels get ratings 3-5 times that of Fox News highest rated programs.

This fact continues to crush the liberal/socialist progressive memes about Fox and what people use to get news.
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This suggests you are saying "liberal/socialist progressives" claim more people watch Fox News than ABC/NBC/CBS. I asked you for evidence of that. You have not provided any. Do you have any evidence?

This latest report shows Fox averaged something like 2.4 million viewers. There are 10's of millions of registered Republicans. Clearly, they aren't turning to Fox News. Clearly their opinions and beliefs aren't "groomed" by Fox because most don't watch it.
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Terrible argument.

For example, if Fox News "averaged" 2.4 million viewers, there is nothing to suggest it is the same 2.4 million people watching primetime (and 1.4 across all hours). Indeed, anyone who has studied ratings and how they work (and I have to a small extent) knows ratings are never stagnant. There people always tuning in and tuning out. So (and I'm not saying this is what happens, it's just an illustration), theoretically you could have 2.4 million people watch the first quarter hour and then tune out, another 2.4 million people watch the next quarter hour and so on. By the end of just one hour, you have touched nearly 10 million people. Multiply that by multiple primetime hours and you've touched a lot of people. Combine that with the fact you may have different people watching the next day and we see where your argument fails.

Now, logically speaking, we both know that's not what happens. We know that many people will have it on throughout and will come back the next day. But you are also underestimating the ripple effect of those who watch news and then share it with others. For example, I know a couple of people who don't watch any news, but they are around those who do watch Fox News and information gets passed in that direction.

Furthermore, I know we're speaking specifically about Fox News, but we're speaking generally about "mainstream media" and the influence media has over Americans. So, in that regard, it's important to note the MILLIONS of people who listen to conservative radio every day and get their information from those sources.

I know conservatives have built up this perfect little fantasy for themselves where they are constantly the victims of media persecution, but the facts simply do not support such a narrative.
 
I just can't watch Fox anymore except Bret Baier's show and Megyn Kelly's show. Hannity is a mess. Has been for a while. And I stopped watching O'Reilly right after 9/11.

I wish Brit Hume had stayed on in Greta's slot.
 
Grim17 said:
That isn't cable news they're talking about, but all basic cable channels including USA, ESPN, and TNT.

That's some pretty strong stuff.
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I don't know about "strong stuff", but this little factoid certainly explains the state of American politics and journalism in late 2016.
 
tres borrachos said:
I just can't watch Fox anymore except Bret Baier's show and Megyn Kelly's show. Hannity is a mess. Has been for a while. And I stopped watching O'Reilly right after 9/11.

I wish Brit Hume had stayed on in Greta's slot.
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There is a big difference though IMO between Fox News and Fox commentary.
 
jonny5 said:
Yeah, the right isnt mainstream.
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Yes, they are. The right has country wide (and world wide) range. Again, if conservative A is less conservative than conservative B, does that make conservative A not a conservative? That is essentially what you are trying to say about Fox News not being MSM.
 
tres borrachos said:
I just can't watch Fox anymore except Bret Baier's show and Megyn Kelly's show. Hannity is a mess. Has been for a while. And I stopped watching O'Reilly right after 9/11.

I wish Brit Hume had stayed on in Greta's slot.
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Have you watched Tucker's show? I've only caught a hand full of interviews he's done and I must say I was impressed.
 
Grim17 said:
Have you watched Tucker's show? I've only caught a hand full of interviews he's done and I must say I was impressed.
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I actually caught a few minutes of it last night. He was beating up some journalist and it was pretty entertaining. I'm not a huge fan of Tucker's but I may give him a try.
 
Praxas said:
Fox News is MSM. Their reach is country wide (and I would say world wide as well). That is widespread no matter how you slice it. Just because someone is more conservative than another doesn't make someone NOT a conservative. The same goes for Fox News, they are MSM. Just because some outlets "may" have more doesn't make them not.
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Widespread does not mean POPULAR. It means spread among a wide variety of people, ideologies, and formats. The conservative ideology is contained within one cable news station, talk radio, and one newspapers. Thats it. Wheras the mainstream narrative is spread among dozens of top newspapers, 2 cable news channels, 3 broadcast channels, movies, tv shows, late night talk shows, movie channels like HBO, comedy networks, and also govt funded television, radio, print.

Fox is the definition of not MSM in that it is definably different than nearly all other media.
 
Praxas said:
Yes, they are. The right has country wide (and world wide) range. Again, if conservative A is less conservative than conservative B, does that make conservative A not a conservative? That is essentially what you are trying to say about Fox News not being MSM.
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No, this country is decidedly liberal. Look at our govt, our colleges, our media, our international affairs. More people voted for Clinton than the GOP president who isnt even conservative.
 
jonny5 said:
Widespread does not mean POPULAR.
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In a discussion like this, it most certainly does. Who cares if there are a million websites out there toting the value of a pet rock, if they are all run by the same person?

It doesn't matter how many sources in a medium there are, it matters how many people use the source. Having 50 websites with 10 visitors each influences far fewer people than 1 website with 25 million viewers.
 
jonny5 said:
Yeah, the right isnt mainstream.
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Yeah... especially given the fact that the GOP controls all three branches of the federal government, and the majority of the state governments. They are anti-establishment outsiders... Not at all the elites that need to be "drained from the swamp".
 
Grim17 said:
Fox News has always been part of the mainstream news media. When have I ever said any different?
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Maybe not you, but there are people in this thread asserting that they are not.
 
jonny5 said:
That doesnt make them mainstream. They are just one station. The MSM has dozens of stations, shows, newspapers, and govt funded radio, tv, and print. Mainstream just mean popular, but rather widespread.
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and dispite that fox news still generates more viewers. fox has tons of local stations in cities all over the place.
 
ludin said:
and dispite that fox news still generates more viewers. fox has tons of local stations in cities all over the place.
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The Fox Broadcasting Company and the Fox News Channel are 2 separate entities. Fox News has no "local stations" and operates only on cable. The only show from Fox News that appears on local Fox Broadcasting affiliates, is "Fox News Sunday" which competes with the Sunday morning political shows on ABC, NBC and CBS.

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Slyfox696 said:
The fact you see your political opponents as "the enemy" tells me all I need to know. Thanks.

Asking you to provide evidence of your claims is not "crazy road". Please provide your evidence.

I did not claim you did. Re-read my post if you need to.

No, I claimed that you suggested that "liberal/socialist progressives" claim more people watch Fox News than the Big 3. I asked you to cite examples of where "liberal/socialist progressives" claimed more people watch Fox News than the Big 3. You've yet to provide any evidence of "liberal/socialist progressives" making such a claim.

So, again, do you have any evidence or were you just vomiting rhetoric?

That is not what you stated. I'm trying to have a sincere discussion with you, so be honest about what you said. Here are your exact words:


This suggests you are saying "liberal/socialist progressives" claim more people watch Fox News than ABC/NBC/CBS. I asked you for evidence of that. You have not provided any. Do you have any evidence?

Terrible argument.

For example, if Fox News "averaged" 2.4 million viewers, there is nothing to suggest it is the same 2.4 million people watching primetime (and 1.4 across all hours). Indeed, anyone who has studied ratings and how they work (and I have to a small extent) knows ratings are never stagnant. There people always tuning in and tuning out. So (and I'm not saying this is what happens, it's just an illustration), theoretically you could have 2.4 million people watch the first quarter hour and then tune out, another 2.4 million people watch the next quarter hour and so on. By the end of just one hour, you have touched nearly 10 million people. Multiply that by multiple primetime hours and you've touched a lot of people. Combine that with the fact you may have different people watching the next day and we see where your argument fails.

Now, logically speaking, we both know that's not what happens. We know that many people will have it on throughout and will come back the next day. But you are also underestimating the ripple effect of those who watch news and then share it with others. For example, I know a couple of people who don't watch any news, but they are around those who do watch Fox News and information gets passed in that direction.

Furthermore, I know we're speaking specifically about Fox News, but we're speaking generally about "mainstream media" and the influence media has over Americans. So, in that regard, it's important to note the MILLIONS of people who listen to conservative radio every day and get their information from those sources.

I know conservatives have built up this perfect little fantasy for themselves where they are constantly the victims of media persecution, but the facts simply do not support such a narrative.
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I never made the claim liberal/socialist progressives" claim more people watch Fox News than the Big Three. That's insane. I posted ratings showing how many people watch the big three.

My statement was that liberal/socialist progressives claim Fox News is the primary news source for the right. The ratings prove that is nothing but a meme. I've made no claims about radio programs. You want to go there, I'd be happy to post site visits and television ratings for liberal programs airing in prime time, etc., etc.

Clearly your not informed on this issue, so it's rather pointless to continue.

At this point, all I'm getting in response is :screwy
 
Slyfox696 said:
The fact you see your political opponents as "the enemy" tells me all I need to know. Thanks.
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Yes FOX and Trump and the GOP Congress is indeed the enemy. I don't believe in BS and beating around the bush when right wing butt wipes are trying to destroy our nation right in front of our eyes.

If you cannot take direct talk - that is on you and not me.
 
haymarket said:
Yes FOX and Trump and the GOP Congress is indeed the enemy. I don't believe in BS and beating around the bush when right wing butt wipes are trying to destroy our nation right in front of our eyes.

If you cannot take direct talk - that is on you and not me.
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Might want to get some salve for that butthurt. Looks like you got it bad.
 
TheGoverness said:
If anything, this just proves that Fox News is mainstream media.
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And the only part of the MSM that will exist in 5 years, as log as they stay fair and balanced. TV and Newspaper tech is already about as relevant as the VCR. FOX is the only cable news that might survive to a subscription internet news service. CNN/MSNBC will be podcasts run by a half dozen people, relying on donations. NY times/Wash post will be blogs written by one guy in his mothers basement. The networks will stop doing news and will run their entrainment shows on Hulu or something similar.

By viewership the real MSM are FOX, Infowars, and Britebart. CNN, MSNBC, networks, NY time, etc. are the fringe. And with a 6% trust rating most people also consider them the real Fake News.
 
ocean515 said:
I never made the claim liberal/socialist progressives" claim more people watch Fox News than the Big Three.
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It was suggested in your post. I asked if that's what you meant and you ran with it. If it's not what you meant, then fair enough (though I don't understand why you couldn't just say that from the beginning).

That's insane.
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I agree. But given how often I've read posts of yours light on facts, I didn't put it past you.

But if you're not saying "liberal/socialist progressives" claimed that more people watch Fox News than the big three, then we're done. Because it looked like that's what you were saying. Which is why I wanted you to cite evidence.

Seems like we're good. Have a good day.
haymarket said:
Yes FOX and Trump and the GOP Congress is indeed the enemy.
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No, they are persons with whom you disagree. They are not the enemy. That kind of nonsense talk was not acceptable during the Obama administration and it should not be acceptable during the Trump administration.

If you cannot take direct talk - that is on you and not me.
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There's a big difference between nonsense and direct talk. You're not engaging in direct talk.
 
Moon said:
Might want to get some salve for that butthurt. Looks like you got it bad.
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I imagine the greatest fear of the right is that Democrats will become as mean and vicious and obsessed with destruction of the political enemy as they have been foursome time now.

Well, the rights nightmare is coming true. Its going a bumpy ride.
 
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