Here’s the public evidence russia hacked the dnc — it’s not enough

HERE’S THE PUBLIC EVIDENCE RUSSIA HACKED THE DNC — IT’S NOT ENOUGH

THERE ARE SOME good reasons to believe Russians had something to do with the breaches into email accounts belonging to members of the Democratic party, which proved varyingly embarrassing or disruptive for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. But “good” doesn’t necessarily mean good enough to indict Russia’s head of state for sabotaging our democracy.

We should also bear in mind that private security firm CrowdStrike’s frequently cited findings of Russian responsibility were essentially paid for by the DNC, which contracted its services in June. It’s highly unusual for evidence of a crime to be assembled on the victim’s dime. If we’re going to blame the Russian government for disrupting our presidential election — easily construed as an act of war — we need to be damn sure of every single shred of evidence. Guesswork and assumption could be disastrous.​

We've all been duped once again by the state-capitalist megalomaniacs that run the military-industrialist-controlled imperialistic tendencies of the establishment of Corporate America. At this point they may as well be saying, "you had your chance to let us peacefully install Hillary Clinton and continue our Wall Street-controlled militaristic expansion into Europe, so you will now be threatened with one of two choices: war on American soil, or a civilization-neutering nuclear apocalypse involving war with Russia and most of the rest of the world - choose wisely."

Un-****ing-believable. Who the **** do these psychopaths think they are?!

Abbazorkzog said:

We've all been duped once again by the state-capitalist megalomaniacs that run the military-industrialist-controlled imperialistic tendencies of the establishment of Corporate America. At this point they may as well be saying, "you had your chance to let us peacefully install Hillary Clinton and continue our Wall Street-controlled militaristic expansion into Europe, so you will now be threatened with one of two choices: war on American soil, or a civilization-neutering nuclear apocalypse involving war with Russia and most of the rest of the world - choose wisely."

Un-****ing-believable. Who the **** do these psychopaths think they are?!

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You will have to do more to convince people that Putin did not do things totally consistent with the non linear war under the Gerasimov Doctrine. After all, it is the basis for Russian foreign policy and has been for a number of years.



But I do like that picture.

joG said:

You will have to do more to convince people that Putin did not do things totally consistent with the non linear war under the Gerasimov Doctrine. After all, it is the basis for Russian foreign policy and has been for a number of years.

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It goes on to explain Why that isn't enough evidence. (I had this VERY VITAL INFORMATION and VERY RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC post that was DELETED -wink wink nudge nudge-), and I had that post in question up for a little while before it was deleted.

Anyway, since I am not allowed to post what is in the article, all I can say is read what is in the article. :shrug: I cannot, however, interpret it for you.

Abbazorkzog said:

HERE’S THE PUBLIC EVIDENCE RUSSIA HACKED THE DNC — IT’S NOT ENOUGH

THERE ARE SOME good reasons to believe Russians had something to do with the breaches into email accounts belonging to members of the Democratic party, which proved varyingly embarrassing or disruptive for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. But “good” doesn’t necessarily mean good enough to indict Russia’s head of state for sabotaging our democracy.

We should also bear in mind that private security firm CrowdStrike’s frequently cited findings of Russian responsibility were essentially paid for by the DNC, which contracted its services in June. It’s highly unusual for evidence of a crime to be assembled on the victim’s dime. If we’re going to blame the Russian government for disrupting our presidential election — easily construed as an act of war — we need to be damn sure of every single shred of evidence. Guesswork and assumption could be disastrous.​

We've all been duped once again by the state-capitalist megalomaniacs that run the military-industrialist-controlled imperialistic tendencies of the establishment of Corporate America. At this point they may as well be saying, "you had your chance to let us peacefully install Hillary Clinton and continue our Wall Street-controlled militaristic expansion into Europe, so you will now be threatened with one of two choices: war on American soil, or a civilization-neutering nuclear apocalypse involving war with Russia and most of the rest of the world - choose wisely."

Un-****ing-believable. Who the **** do these psychopaths think they are?!

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I think you meant to put this in the conspiracy forum.

FreedomFromAll said:

I think you meant to put this in the conspiracy forum.

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Nope. If you would read the article, you would see why the idea that Putin haxored the Government is a conspiracy theory in and of itself.

Example:

For one, a lot of the so-called evidence above is no such thing. CrowdStrike, whose claims of Russian responsibility are perhaps most influential throughout the media, says APT 28/Fancy Bear “is known for its technique of registering domains that closely resemble domains of legitimate organizations they plan to target.” But this isn’t a Russian technique any more than using a computer is a Russian technique — misspelled domains are a cornerstone of phishing attacks all over the world. Is Yandex — the Russian equivalent of Google — some sort of giveaway? Anyone who claimed a hacker must be a CIA agent because they used a Gmail account would be laughed off the internet. We must also acknowledge that just because Guccifer 2.0 pretended to be Romanian, we can’t conclude he works for the Russian government — it just makes him a liar.

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Nope. If you would read the article, you would see why the idea that Putin haxored the Government is a conspiracy theory in and of itself.

Example:

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You might want to wait until the investigation is done before you push this. But then it is pretty obvious that your mind is made up.

As far a conspiracy theory

We've all been duped once again by the state-capitalist megalomaniacs that run the military-industrialist-controlled imperialistic tendencies of the establishment of Corporate America. At this point they may as well be saying, "you had your chance to let us peacefully install Hillary Clinton and continue our Wall Street-controlled militaristic expansion into Europe, so you will now be threatened with one of two choices: war on American soil, or a civilization-neutering nuclear apocalypse involving war with Russia and most of the rest of the world - choose wisely."

Un-****ing-believable. Who the **** do these psychopaths think they are?!

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The structure of your comment, key words and the assertion of special knowledge all points to you being a conspiracy theorist. It is safe to assume that your of the anti-capitalist type of conspiracy theorist. You only made this thread so you can point at capitalism.

FreedomFromAll said:

You might want to wait until the investigation is done before you push this.

-snipsnipsnip-

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What’s missing is any evidence at all. If this federal confidence is based on evidence that’s being withheld from the public for any reason, that’s one thing — secrecy is their game. But if the U.S. Intelligence Community is asking the American electorate to believe them, to accept as true their claim that our most important civic institution was compromised by a longtime geopolitical nemesis, we need them to show us why.

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You were saying?

Con·spir·a·cy a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

While this is being played out in the public before our very eyes, what all the pertinent players are doing behind the scenes seems squirrelly, harmful and secret.

We, the American people, hell, all of us earth dwellers, have a stake in this and this scary game of innuendo while bandying about words like warfare, act of war, with accusations tossed willy-nilly to and fro [not a comment on the current president's hair, he doesn't have one...just saying ] without really any hard information, any solid evidence of who did what and, particularly to my mind exactly why... why would the Hillary crew, besides being totally embarrassed after doing the old "stealing defeat right out of the jaws of victory" embarrassment on Nov 8... why does she, and what inspired this, have such a hard on for Russia, particularly Putin?

And, similarly, for Syria?

What behind the scenes did Putin/Russia/Assad/Syria do that initially so incensed her?

O bomb a seems to be a bit more circumspect, or lazy [ this is not a comment on race but on this particular individual ] in the face of all these unanswered questions circling around like blood chummed sharks with no hard meat tossed in so the frenzy can truly begin?

I mean it would be scary if, just because of embarrassment, the Hillary crew would make such accusations. Its also very scary that we almost have a Hatfields and McCoys style feud going on between Putin and Clinton. They seem to have bad blood between them reaching back to the "reset" button fiasco [ the Russian language button was "accidentally(?)" labeled "overload" instead of "reset" ], with all sorts of shenanigans between the two after including criticizing Russian elections, her cozying up more to Putin's protege', Medvedev, Clinton's 2010 speaking up for demonstrators during Russia’s flawed parliamentary elections saying that Russians deserve to have their voices heard, their votes counted,a free, fair, transparent elections... etc which, of course if Russia had hacked into the DNC and found out the hypocrisy, would have felt like poetic justice styled payback.

As regards Syria, IMO, Assad is, sure, not a good guy... but who in that region of the world, with all its murderous and fundamental radicalism can lead without getting assassinated if they truly are a nice guy? Anwar Sadat tried to do the right thing, look what that got him, eh? There seem to be no particular good guys in that fight, just worse guys.

Anybody out there have further insights as to why?

It seems to me this propaganda offensive by the CIA suggests they are very threatened by Trump taking office, and really desperate to prevent that.

Abbazorkzog said:

HERE’S THE PUBLIC EVIDENCE RUSSIA HACKED THE DNC — IT’S NOT ENOUGH

THERE ARE SOME good reasons to believe Russians had something to do with the breaches into email accounts belonging to members of the Democratic party, which proved varyingly embarrassing or disruptive for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. But “good” doesn’t necessarily mean good enough to indict Russia’s head of state for sabotaging our democracy.

We should also bear in mind that private security firm CrowdStrike’s frequently cited findings of Russian responsibility were essentially paid for by the DNC, which contracted its services in June. It’s highly unusual for evidence of a crime to be assembled on the victim’s dime. If we’re going to blame the Russian government for disrupting our presidential election — easily construed as an act of war — we need to be damn sure of every single shred of evidence. Guesswork and assumption could be disastrous.​

We've all been duped once again by the state-capitalist megalomaniacs that run the military-industrialist-controlled imperialistic tendencies of the establishment of Corporate America. At this point they may as well be saying, "you had your chance to let us peacefully install Hillary Clinton and continue our Wall Street-controlled militaristic expansion into Europe, so you will now be threatened with one of two choices: war on American soil, or a civilization-neutering nuclear apocalypse involving war with Russia and most of the rest of the world - choose wisely."

Un-****ing-believable. Who the **** do these psychopaths think they are?!

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Yeah, you have to shake your head at the suicidal hypocrisy from the Democrats and pro-Democrat media who lost their marbles because Trump accepted a call from the democratically elected President of Taiwan for fear that it could start a war with China... and then days later accuse the Russians of an actual act of war for which there is ****-all evidence.

jmotivator said:

Yeah, you have to shake your head at the suicidal hypocrisy from the Democrats and pro-Democrat media who lost their marbles because Trump accepted a call from the democratically elected President of Taiwan for fear that it could start a war with China... and then days later accuse the Russians of an actual act of war for which there is ****-all evidence.

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You have absolutely no knowledge that would qualify you to suggest that there is no evidence for Russian interference in our electoral process. Your assertion is rank partisanship, and nothing more.

RickJames3000 said:

You have absolutely no knowledge that would qualify you to suggest that there is no evidence for Russian interference in our electoral process. Your assertion is rank partisanship, and nothing more.

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LOL. Your post is hilariously oblivious for a number of reasons. I work specifically in this industry, for one, and you are literally and without hesitation issuing the "absence of evidence is evidence!" argument.

Honestly... I think this thread needs to be heavily monitored and send posts like yours to the Conspiracy Theory sub forum.

jmotivator said:

LOL. Your post is hilariously oblivious for a number of reasons. I work specifically in this industry, for one, and you are literally and without hesitation issuing the "absence of evidence is evidence!" argument.

Honestly... I think this thread needs to be heavily monitored and send posts like yours to the Conspiracy Theory sub forum.

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No one is asking for your resume, dude, and it doesn't carry any weight here. This is an anonymous internet forum.
Do you expect US intelligence agencies to brief the public on all ongoing investigations?

It is rather hypocritical of the U.S. administration to whine about a foreign country interfering in an American election. I remember when the CIA interfered in the Canadian election in order to help Pearson defeat Diefenbaker on orders from President Kennedy. There are numerous instances of the U.S. interfering in foreign governments.

Abbazorkzog said:

You were saying?

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Well I was saying that you are a conspiracy theorist. I mean the article that you linked doesnt do anything to prove your assertions.

It doesnt prove that we have been "duped" which bTW "duped" is one of those keywords that indicate a conspiracy theory.

You made grand assumptions that are obviously based on your ideological beliefs. Those assumptions are not proven at all by the links or by you. You just want everyone to jump on board with your opinions.

I was also saying that you are a anti-capitalist. I cant help to notice that you didnt refute that accusation. Of course saying things like "state-capitalist megalomaniacs" "Corporate America" "Wall Street-controlled militaristic expansion" pretty much is irrefutable evidence of you being a anti-capitalist. The reason that your position on capitalism matters is that you want me to believe that capitalist corruption "installs" our president. Which is a big claim that deserves some proof. Where did you get this theory from? I say theory because really you dont have proof.

jmotivator said:

LOL. Your post is hilariously oblivious for a number of reasons. I work specifically in this industry, for one, and you are literally and without hesitation issuing the "absence of evidence is evidence!" argument.

Honestly... I think this thread needs to be heavily monitored and send posts like yours to the Conspiracy Theory sub forum.

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Yea...and I am your boss. GET BACK TO WORK! Oh thats right you are doing your job here, my bad.

The conspiracy theorists are going to think you are a shill now.

RickJames3000 said:

You have absolutely no knowledge that would qualify you to suggest that there is no evidence for Russian interference in our electoral process. Your assertion is rank partisanship, and nothing more.

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Neither you nor anybody else has proved that there actually is any evidence of Russian interference in our electoral process, so I'm not really sure of the point you're trying to make.

Thoreau72 said:

Neither you nor anybody else has proved that there actually is any evidence of Russian interference in our electoral process, so I'm not really sure of the point you're trying to make.

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Is your mind made up or are you willing to await the results of the Presidents ordered full investigation?

haymarket said:

Is your mind made up or are you willing to await the results of the Presidents ordered full investigation?

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I'm really no fan of Obama's honesty or integrity, and on this issue (considering the input from Binney and VIPS) my mind is fairly well made up--this is another effort to discredit Russia, a cyber false flag operation.

That said, if Obama's People can make a compelling case I would be most interested in reading it.

Thoreau72 said:

I'm really no fan of Obama's honesty or integrity, and on this issue (considering the input from Binney and VIPS) my mind is fairly well made up--this is another effort to discredit Russia, a cyber false flag operation.

That said, if Obama's People can make a compelling case I would be most interested in reading it.

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I at least give you point for honesty. None for judgment.

Do you think your beliefs as a libertarian has anything to do with your mindset on this?

Thoreau72 said:

I'm really no fan of Obama's honesty or integrity, and on this issue (considering the input from Binney and VIPS) my mind is fairly well made up--this is another effort to discredit Russia, a cyber false flag operation.

That said, if Obama's People can make a compelling case I would be most interested in reading it.

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I at least give you point for honesty. None for judgment.

Do you think your beliefs as a libertarian has anything to do with your mindset on this?

queenmandy85 said:

It is rather hypocritical of the U.S. administration to whine about a foreign country interfering in an American election. I remember when the CIA interfered in the Canadian election in order to help Pearson defeat Diefenbaker on orders from President Kennedy. There are numerous instances of the U.S. interfering in foreign governments.

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Countries are always going to have an interest in events inside countries in which they might otherwise share geopolitical interests. Obama himself went to the UK to campaign against Brexit a few months.

Putin is an old KGB type, and it's certainly reasonable to assume he would wish to cause discord in the USA.

But what is truly ridiculous and absolutely hilarious is for the DEMOCRATS to get all in high dudgeon over this. Those folks had no problem with their presidential candidate conducting official business out of servers stored in some guys bathroom. Those guys ridiculed Romney in 2012 when he said Russia was the great strategic foe the USA would face.

By all means, investigate. But let's not listen to the theatrics from those who are appalled to find slot machines in a casino they built.

queenmandy85 said:

It is rather hypocritical of the U.S. administration to whine about a foreign country interfering in an American election. I remember when the CIA interfered in the Canadian election in order to help Pearson defeat Diefenbaker on orders from President Kennedy. There are numerous instances of the U.S. interfering in foreign governments.

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This is entirely different. Hillary Clinton is the most important person in America and she could not possibly have lost the election without some serious shenanigans going on. Sure, she was under investigation by the FBI for having a private server in her basement and for using that server to conduct state business. Sure, she is the epitome of an "insider" candidate when the electorate really, really wanted an "outsider". Sure, she presided over a foreign policy that has left the Middle East in flames and spurred a massive international refugee crisis. Of course she was tied at the hip to Wall Street. Obviously nobody trusts her as far as they can throw her and she's likely the most corrupt candidate we have ever had run for president. Yeah, her own party was so concerned about her image that they put together an hour long documentary designed to humanize her before she accepted the nomination of her party. Yeah, she totally blew off the parts of the country that had been most damaged by the Obama administration and took them for granted. I mean, sure, those are problems but they're nothing compared to the fact that somebody hacked John Podesta's email and dribbled out a ton of nothingburgers during the campaign.

Thoreau72 said:

Neither you nor anybody else has proved that there actually is any evidence of Russian interference in our electoral process, so I'm not really sure of the point you're trying to make.

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Naturally you don't as my post was not addressed to you and because of that you are missing the context of the conversation.:2wave:

Abbazorkzog said:

HERE’S THE PUBLIC EVIDENCE RUSSIA HACKED THE DNC — IT’S NOT ENOUGH

THERE ARE SOME good reasons to believe Russians had something to do with the breaches into email accounts belonging to members of the Democratic party, which proved varyingly embarrassing or disruptive for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. But “good” doesn’t necessarily mean good enough to indict Russia’s head of state for sabotaging our democracy.

We should also bear in mind that private security firm CrowdStrike’s frequently cited findings of Russian responsibility were essentially paid for by the DNC, which contracted its services in June. It’s highly unusual for evidence of a crime to be assembled on the victim’s dime. If we’re going to blame the Russian government for disrupting our presidential election — easily construed as an act of war — we need to be damn sure of every single shred of evidence. Guesswork and assumption could be disastrous.​

We've all been duped once again by the state-capitalist megalomaniacs that run the military-industrialist-controlled imperialistic tendencies of the establishment of Corporate America. At this point they may as well be saying, "you had your chance to let us peacefully install Hillary Clinton and continue our Wall Street-controlled militaristic expansion into Europe, so you will now be threatened with one of two choices: war on American soil, or a civilization-neutering nuclear apocalypse involving war with Russia and most of the rest of the world - choose wisely."

Un-****ing-believable. Who the **** do these psychopaths think they are?!

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What puzzles me the claim that they are going to "investigate" this situation. I guess it depends on the definition of "investigate". I bet we get come flowery worded document that offers speculation peppered with buzz phrases.