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Rogue electors brief Clinton camp on anti-Trump plan

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Advocates of the long-shot bid to turn the Electoral College against Donald Trump have been in contact with close allies of Hillary Clinton, according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions, but the Clinton camp — and Clinton herself — have declined to weigh in on the merits of the plan.

Clinton’s team and the Democratic National Committee have steadfastly refused to endorse the efforts spearheaded by a group of electors in Colorado and Washington state. But, as with the ongoing recounts initiated by Green Party nominee Jill Stein, the Clinton team has not categorically rejected them, leaving the collection of mainly Democratic electors to push forward with no explicit public support from the failed Democratic nominee or any other prominent party leaders.
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This is a long shot but, if it works, it will turn politics on it's head, and may signal the beginning of the end of the electoral college as we know it.

Some rogue Republican electors are talking with the Clinton camp, the goal being to have Hillary releasing all her electors to vote for Dennis Kasich on December 19th, when the electoral votes are formally submitted. This will be a tall order. In addition to flipping enough Trump electors to vote for Kasich, Hillary will probably need to overturn the results in one of the 3 recounts states, then pledge those electors, as well as the rest of her electors to Kasich. In Colorado, where it is illegal for an elector to vote for anyone other than the winner of the popular vote in that state, a lawsuit is being filed tomorrow by Republican electors to overturn that law, and they are going to request an emergency hearing.

IMHO, this isn't going to fly, but what will fly will be the fur. This may turn out to be the first political food fight in the History of the United States, and Trump may enter office as "damaged goods", assuming he prevails. The Clinton camp is quiet at this time, and the reason may be the opportunity for her to claim plausible deniability on her part. Hillary may possibly turn out to be a reincarnation of Machiavelli himself. Crooked? You bet your ass she is.

I am about to get me barrels of beer and buckets of pop corn before settling down to watch the mayhem, which may or may not happen. One thing for sure is that there are a few Republican electors around who are not going to cast their vote for Trump under any circumstances whatsoever. Will the GOP split if they go ahead and attempt this? Nope. The party will explode, whether or not these faithless electors succeed. My prediction? This attempt will fail, if it does take off, but it will damn fun to watch.

Rogue electors brief Clinton camp on anti-Trump plan - POLITICO
 
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It is a forgone conclusion that Trump is entering office as damaged goods. He was the least popular candidate in history and lost the popular vote. On top of that many in his own party have disavowed him. Doesn't mean he can't turn things around, of course.

While I don't mind the recounts I adamantly oppose electors going rogue. They should reflect the will of the voters in their states. Period.
 
danarhea said:
This is a long shot but, if it works, it will turn politics on it's head, and may signal the beginning of the end of the electoral college as we know it.

Some rogue Republican electors are talking with the Clinton camp, the goal being to have Hillary releasing all her electors to vote for Dennis Kasich on December 19th, when the electoral votes are formally submitted. This will be a tall order. In addition to flipping enough Trump electors to vote for Kasich, Hillary will probably need to overturn the results in one of the 3 recounts states, then pledge those electors, as well as the rest of her electors to Kasich. In Colorado, where it is illegal for an elector to vote for anyone other than the winner of the popular vote in that state, a lawsuit is being filed tomorrow by Republican electors to overturn that law, and they are going to request an emergency hearing.

IMHO, this isn't going to fly, but what will fly will be the fur. This may turn out to be the first political food fight in the History of the United States, and Trump may enter office as "damaged goods", assuming he prevails. The Clinton camp is quiet at this time, and the reason may be the opportunity for her to claim plausible deniability on her part. Hillary may possibly turn out to be a reincarnation of Machiavelli himself. Crooked? You bet your ass she is.

I am about to get me barrels of beer and buckets of pop corn before settling down to watch the mayhem, which may or may not happen. One thing for sure is that there are a few Republican electors around who are not going to cast their vote for Trump under any circumstances whatsoever. Will the GOP split if they go ahead and attempt this? Nope. The party will explode, whether or not these faithless electors succeed. My prediction? This attempt will fail, if it does take off, but it will damn fun to watch.

Rogue electors brief Clinton camp on anti-Trump plan - POLITICO
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Who's Dennis Kasich?
 
BrewerBob said:
It is a forgone conclusion that Trump is entering office as damaged goods. He was the least popular candidate in history and lost the popular vote. On top of that many in his own party have disavowed him. Doesn't mean he can't turn things around, of course.

While I don't mind the recounts I adamantly oppose electors going rogue. They should reflect the will of the voters in their states. Period.
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Alexander Hamilton might agree with you on that one. LOL.
 
I've actually raised this point in another thread:

Captain Adverse said:
There is no other reason for a third party candidate who got the lowest vote out of the four "main" contenders, who has no chance of winning even a single EC vote, who literally has no dog in this fight, to ask for this recount.

There is no way that an over 70,000 vote margin in Pennsylvania will be modified by a recount to the benefit of anyone other that Trump.

IMO this is why she didn't file the recount timely in PA when she clearly had the funds required and knew the timeline; because now she can raise a legal challenge in hopes of preventing a valid certification of those PA electors in time for the Congressional count.

In that way all it would take is one Congressman and one Senator to object to the Elector certification of all three states bringing Trump below the 270 needed to be confirmed by Congress.

I don't know why they think this would result in Hillary (or anyone else) being elected...unless they have a plan to use some certified but unfaithful electors to vote for another candidate giving Congress a third choice to elect.That way the Old Guard Republicans can try to replace Trump, and the Democrats can either go along...or vote solidly for Hillary and get her elected after splitting the Republican votes.

Kind of Machiavellian...but in this electoral clime anything, even the improbable can seem possible to those who oppose Trump's inauguration.

:alert Caution! If this actually happens, then the repercussions might be more disastrous to our national unity than anything seen since the Civil War. :twocents:
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I'm betting that while Hillary would never openly endorse anything like this, she would be happy at any chance which leads to her selection into the history books as the first "Woman" President, no matter how nefarious. :coffeepap:
 
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The Libbos are all for The Constitution, until it no longer serves their purpose.
 
danarhea said:
This is a long shot but, if it works, it will turn politics on it's head, and may signal the beginning of the end of the electoral college as we know it.

Some rogue Republican electors are talking with the Clinton camp, the goal being to have Hillary releasing all her electors to vote for Dennis Kasich on December 19th, when the electoral votes are formally submitted. This will be a tall order. In addition to flipping enough Trump electors to vote for Kasich, Hillary will probably need to overturn the results in one of the 3 recounts states, then pledge those electors, as well as the rest of her electors to Kasich. In Colorado, where it is illegal for an elector to vote for anyone other than the winner of the popular vote in that state, a lawsuit is being filed tomorrow by Republican electors to overturn that law, and they are going to request an emergency hearing.

IMHO, this isn't going to fly, but what will fly will be the fur. This may turn out to be the first political food fight in the History of the United States, and Trump may enter office as "damaged goods", assuming he prevails. The Clinton camp is quiet at this time, and the reason may be the opportunity for her to claim plausible deniability on her part. Hillary may possibly turn out to be a reincarnation of Machiavelli himself. Crooked? You bet your ass she is.

I am about to get me barrels of beer and buckets of pop corn before settling down to watch the mayhem, which may or may not happen. One thing for sure is that there are a few Republican electors around who are not going to cast their vote for Trump under any circumstances whatsoever. Will the GOP split if they go ahead and attempt this? Nope. The party will explode, whether or not these faithless electors succeed. My prediction? This attempt will fail, if it does take off, but it will damn fun to watch.

Rogue electors brief Clinton camp on anti-Trump plan - POLITICO
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Oh look, more wishful thinking. Who the **** is "Dennis Kasich"?
 
danarhea said:
He was one of the also rans who Trump beat in the primaries. But he is sane. LOL.
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Uhm, no. There was never a "Dennis Kasich" on any ballot for POTUS.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I've actually raised this point in another thread:



I'm betting that while Hillary would never openly endorse anything like this, she would be happy at any chance which leads to her selection into the history books as the first "Woman" President, no matter how nefarious. :coffeepap:
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She won't be doing it for herself. If it happens, it will her releasing all her delegates to Kasich, or possibly Mitt Romney. I am leaning Kasich.
 
danarhea said:
This is a long shot but, if it works, it will turn politics on it's head, and may signal the beginning of the end of the electoral college as we know it.

Some rogue Republican electors are talking with the Clinton camp, the goal being to have Hillary releasing all her electors to vote for Dennis Kasich on December 19th, when the electoral votes are formally submitted. This will be a tall order. In addition to flipping enough Trump electors to vote for Kasich, Hillary will probably need to overturn the results in one of the 3 recounts states, then pledge those electors, as well as the rest of her electors to Kasich. In Colorado, where it is illegal for an elector to vote for anyone other than the winner of the popular vote in that state, a lawsuit is being filed tomorrow by Republican electors to overturn that law, and they are going to request an emergency hearing.

IMHO, this isn't going to fly, but what will fly will be the fur. This may turn out to be the first political food fight in the History of the United States, and Trump may enter office as "damaged goods", assuming he prevails. The Clinton camp is quiet at this time, and the reason may be the opportunity for her to claim plausible deniability on her part. Hillary may possibly turn out to be a reincarnation of Machiavelli himself. Crooked? You bet your ass she is.

I am about to get me barrels of beer and buckets of pop corn before settling down to watch the mayhem, which may or may not happen. One thing for sure is that there are a few Republican electors around who are not going to cast their vote for Trump under any circumstances whatsoever. Will the GOP split if they go ahead and attempt this? Nope. The party will explode, whether or not these faithless electors succeed. My prediction? This attempt will fail, if it does take off, but it will damn fun to watch.

Rogue electors brief Clinton camp on anti-Trump plan - POLITICO
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If they suceed in stealing the election from trump it will be the day remembered as the start of the 2nd civil war. People will and should bare arms in opposition to it.

Thankfully im optimistic to it not happening. We dont need another civil war.

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countryboy said:
Uhm, no. There was never a "Dennis Kasich" on any ballot for POTUS.
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Doesn't matter. Electors can vote for whoever they wish. If that choice is Bozo the Clown, then he becomes president. LOL.

Note: In 29 states they must, according to state law, vote for the popular vote winner. But that still leaves 23 states for them to create mayhem with. One of those 23 states is Texas, where one of the electors has published an opinion piece in the New York Times, stating that he will be a faithless elector. As for the 29 other states, a Federal lawsuit is being filed tomorrow, which asks those laws to be ruled unconstitutional.
 
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danarhea said:
Read Federalist Paper Number 68, which encourages electors to vote their conscience. This is the reason for electors in the first place.
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Read The Constitution that says they have to go with the popular vote of their state.
 
trouble13 said:
If they suceed in stealing the election from trump it will be the day remembered as the start of the 2nd civil war. People will and should bare arms in opposition to it.

Thankfully im optimistic to it not happening. We dont need another civil war.

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Maybe they should bear arms?

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I voted for John Kasich but this recount is nothing more than the green party trying to build a following for the next election. Gore met with Grump today because Grump was paranoid and needed shoulder to hide behind.
 
trouble13 said:
If they suceed in stealing the election from trump it will be the day remembered as the start of the 2nd civil war. People will and should bare arms in opposition to it.

Thankfully im optimistic to it not happening. We dont need another civil war.

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk
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I'm sure you are right on the ball.... :mrgreen:

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