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“More Votes Than Voters,” Wisconsin Counties Investigating Massive Voter Fraud (DETAILS)


As Wisconsin prepares for an official recount, 5000 fake Trump votes have already been subtracted from Trump’s lead. Trump only won by a total of 27k votes meaning that his lead has already decreased by 18% before the recount has even begun.

In addition, 4 counties in Wisconsin have just reported that their vote tallies are much higher than the total number of voters in the election. It’s starting to look like a reversal could actually be possible.


“More Votes Than Voters,” Wisconsin Counties Investigating Massive Voter Fraud (DETAILS) – US Uncut

The reason the Clinton campaign has become involved in the Stein Wisconsin recount is now clear.

Before the recount has even begun, Trump has had 4,931 votes knocked off his total due to over reporting of the Trump vote by several counties.

This is virtually 5000 votes Trump lost in a matter of hours and before the recount has begun.

When the state Election Commission ordered up cost estimates of the impending recount, several counties suddenly found they had votes recorded for Trump that had not been cast by any registered voter living or dead.

Clinton meanwhile in the same pre-recount shake out lost 199 votes. The Clinton vote adjustments to the real vote were found as a pure matter of simple arithmetic. The over reported Trump votes came from non-existent voters, i.e., the walking and voting dead. We are now getting a good look at Wisconsin Republican Party math.

Fail.

Before the recount has begun, Trump in Wisconsin has lost 18% of his lead.

Here are the numbers from before the Wisconsin Election Commission ordered the cost estimate of the impending recount,

Before Commission issued its order:

Donald Trump 1,409,467
Hillary Clinton 1,382,210
Winning margin 27,257


Here are the new numbers as of the second day after the Commission issued its order and before the recount has begun:

Trump: 1,404,536
Clinton: 1,382,011
Winning Margin: 22,525

In other words, a total of 4,931 votes have now been subtracted from Trump's vote total, votes Trump got from out of the thin air or from six feet under.

Clinton's arithmetic adjustment was also downward, but by only by 199 votes.

Game on.


Ahead of recount, Wisconsin has already wiped out 5,000 imaginary Donald Trump votes - Palmer Report


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
 
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Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Bull****..
 
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Tangmo said:
The reason the Clinton campaign has become involved in the Stein Wisconsin recount is now clear.

Before the recount has even begun, Trump has had 4,931 votes knocked off his total due to over reporting of the Trump vote by several counties.

This is virtually 5000 votes Trump lost in a matter of hours and before the recount has begun.

When the state Election Commission ordered up cost estimates of the impending recount, several counties suddenly found they had votes recorded for Trump that had not been cast by any registered voter living or dead.

Clinton meanwhile in the same pre-recount shake out lost 199 votes. The Clinton vote adjustments to the real vote were found as a pure matter of simple arithmetic. The over reported Trump votes came from non-existent voters, i.e., the walking and voting dead. We are now getting a good look at Wisconsin Republican Party math.

Fail.

Before the recount has begun, Trump in Wisconsin has lost 18% of his lead.

Here are the numbers from before the Wisconsin Election Commission ordered the cost estimate of the impending recount,

Before Commission issued its order:

Donald Trump 1,409,467
Hillary Clinton 1,382,210
Winning margin 27,257


Here are the new numbers as of the second day after the Commission issued its order and before the recount has begun:

Trump: 1,404,536
Clinton: 1,382,011
Winning Margin: 22,525

In other words, a total of 4,931 votes have now been subtracted from Trump's vote total, votes Trump got from out of the thin air or from six feet under.

Clinton's arithmetic adjustment was also downward, but by only by 199 votes.

Game on.


Ahead of recount, Wisconsin has already wiped out 5,000 imaginary Donald Trump votes - Palmer Report


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
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Your source is a blog, not MSM.
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Must be them russians?
 
Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

From New York Times:



Mr. Trump’s lead in Wisconsin has narrowed to 22,525 votes, or 0.8 percent.

In Pennsylvania, his lead slightly grew on Wednesday, to 70,010, or 1.2 percent.

As of Wednesday, Mr. Trump’s lead in Michigan had shrunk to 10,704 votes, or 0.2 percent, according to the National Popular Vote Tracker maintained by the Cook Political Report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/vote-count-hillary-clinton-trump.html?_r=0



New vote totals in WI as recorded at the Cook Political Report:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
 
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Interesting. So will there actually be a recount in Pennsylvania? I'm getting conflicting information on the viability of that happening.
 
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I'm willing to bet that if there was actual voter fraud in the districts Trump won in Wisconsin...that this probably means there was voter fraud in the districts Clinton won as well.

In fact, if true it seems to support the idea that voter fraud is more prevalent than pundits on either side believed. And if in Wisconsin, where else?

Maybe we should be doing recounts in every State where Clinton won by a similar narrow margin of 1% - 3%: Minnesota, Maine, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada? That would be 32 Electoral votes she won placed in question. :roll:

In any case it appears he did win in Pennsylvania, so even if he lost both Wisconsin and Michigan he would still be up 280 Electoral votes.
 
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More details...


Running Scared, Recount Moves May “Bring it all crashing down”

Trump moves to cut off Jill Stein funding, starts "schmear" campaign



Jill Stein filed in Wisconsin because she was presented evidence of vote hacking, some testimony but mostly statistical evidence making a Trump victory there a trillion to one shot.

Then others came forward, and as predicted, the dead did vote.

Trump spin doctors claimed that millions of “non-citizens” voted during the election. It seems that there are a number of absentee voters, enough to cost Trump Wisconsin for sure and Michigan and Pennsylvania too, and the election, absentee voters that were fabricated.

We don’t have the whole story. We do know that illegal absentee ballots were created, all Trump votes, and that this was a “hands on” effort that will lead to a criminal conspiracy.

If one absentee ballot is found to have been fabricated, and there is already evidence of thousands, this country will never be the same. We are already in a statistical million to one shot, Trump losing the popular vote not by a few thousand but by millions. We have another issue still, North Carolina where exit polls were varied from in an unrealistic manner.



Running Scared, Recount Moves May “Bring it all crashing down” | Veterans Today


The Clinton campaign which itself could not initiate this recounting has now entered the recounting for a reason.

Indeed, for reasons it knows, sees, has in hand.

Game on.
 
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Tangmo said:
From New York Times:



Mr. Trump’s lead in Wisconsin has narrowed to 22,525 votes, or 0.8 percent.

In Pennsylvania, his lead slightly grew on Wednesday, to 70,010, or 1.2 percent.

As of Wednesday, Mr. Trump’s lead in Michigan had shrunk to 10,704 votes, or 0.2 percent, according to the National Popular Vote Tracker maintained by the Cook Political Report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/vote-count-hillary-clinton-trump.html?_r=0



New vote totals in WI as recorded at the Cook Political Report:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
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104,000 votes in select state and Trump loses the White House.

Not likely...but....
 
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Captain Adverse said:
I'm willing to bet that if there was actual voter fraud in the districts Trump won in Wisconsin...that this probably means there was voter fraud in the districts Clinton won as well.

In fact, if true it seems to support the idea that voter fraud is more prevalent than pundits on either side believed. And if in Wisconsin, where else?

Maybe we should be doing recounts in every State where Clinton won by a similar narrow margin of 1% - 3%: Minnesota, Maine, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada? That would be 32 Electoral votes she won placed in question. :roll:
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Yes.

Agreed completely.

Do the whole focking thing over again.
 
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Tangmo said:
Yes.

Agreed completely.

Do the whole focking thing over again.
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I was being sarcastic...that's what the rolling eye smilie means.

I guess you also missed the part where as long as Trump keeps Pennsylvania he wins with 280 electoral votes.

Your own citations show he gained votes in PA. :coffeepap:

P.S. You need to stop citing blogs and websites as "Main Stream Media." I've been trying to trace back the report of "5000 votes removed" but only got as far as a local ABC affiliate talking about a possible 1000 vote error in a single county. And that was due to a rush to close the poll and get home where they made a simple addition error. WBAY - Discrepancies in unofficial Outagamie County election results explained - November 22, 2016
 
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Suddenly, after years and years of Democrats filing court challenges and bleating endlessly here on DP and on other vehicles that voter fraud is non-existent in the US and States that want to clamp down on and ensure voter eligibility are simply trying to suppress the vote, we now have liberals and Democrats screaming voter fraud and demanding recounts, but only where they lost.

2000 and now 2016 proves without a doubt that liberals and Democrats are the sorest, most disgusting losers on the planet. Their sense of entitlement and surety that they are always right prohibits them from accepting defeat. I will say, however, that at least John Kerry was gracious in defeat in 2004 - he was encouraged by these same liberals and Democrats to demand recounts because Democrats couldn't possibly lose to GW Bush again but he resisted, accepted defeat, and moved on.

Time to get a life liberals and Democrats and nominate a less despicable, dishonest, dirt bag as your candidate for president next time.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
I was being sarcastic...that's what the rolling eye smilie means.
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Too late to back up now.

Your emoticon of choice can be ambiguous, especially in the context of the circumstances of this election.

You could be saying 'well that's a crazy idea' or you could be saying 'yes, it's so crazy we might have to do what the words in my post say and present as a possibility'.

Bottom line is that you need to be clear whether you think as the right thinks, i.e., that the recount is a steal, or whether you might think along the opposite lines of, yes, recounts may be a good thing toward a resolution.

Nothing personal but Libertarians in general often get quite foggy about things.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
2000 and now 2016 proves without a doubt that liberals and Democrats are the sorest, most disgusting losers on the planet.
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The Republicans once shut down the government because they couldn't have their way.

CanadaJohn said:
Time to get a life liberals and Democrats and nominate a less despicable, dishonest, dirt bag as your candidate for president next time.
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Why not? Being despicable and dishonest helped Trump win the White House.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Suddenly, after years and years of Democrats filing court challenges and bleating endlessly here on DP and on other vehicles that voter fraud is non-existent in the US and States that want to clamp down on and ensure voter eligibility are simply trying to suppress the vote, we now have liberals and Democrats screaming voter fraud and demanding recounts, but only where they lost.

2000 and now 2016 proves without a doubt that liberals and Democrats are the sorest, most disgusting losers on the planet. Their sense of entitlement and surety that they are always right prohibits them from accepting defeat. I will say, however, that at least John Kerry was gracious in defeat in 2004 - he was encouraged by these same liberals and Democrats to demand recounts because Democrats couldn't possibly lose to GW Bush again but he resisted, accepted defeat, and moved on.

Time to get a life liberals and Democrats and nominate a less despicable, dishonest, dirt bag as your candidate for president next time.
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Omitted that Al Gore was gracious in 'defeat' in 2000 also.

And are ignoring 5000 phantom votes for Trump discovered already in Wisconsin, even before the recount has begun.

The perp county elections boards decided to fess up and to confess but only after they received the recount cost estimate order from the state Elections Commission. Maybe they're hoping that at sentencing time in court the judge will give 'em reduced time in the slammer for voluntarily coming forward to confess at their own initiative.
 
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CMPancake said:
The Republicans once shut down the government because they couldn't have their way.



Why not? Being despicable and dishonest helped Trump win the White House.
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I agree with that assessment, but Trump won the election honestly. Granted, Wisconsin and possibly Michigan could be overturned, but that leaves Pennsylvania. Trump won by over 100k votes there, and that lead is not going to be overcome.
 
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Tangmo said:
...Bottom line is that you need to be clear whether you think as the right thinks, i.e., that the recount is a steal, or whether you might think along the opposite lines of, yes, recounts may be a good thing toward a resolution.

Nothing personal but Libertarians in general often get quite foggy about things.
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What I think is:

Captain Adverse said:
Well, on the one hand it is a valid part of the process. Recounts happen all the time at all levels of elections...even in High School. ;)

The issues I have with this attempt include:

1. Jill Stein being the point person for this recount...

2. Accepting the results...

3. That they think there will be no repercussions...

4. That Congress will select someone else...

Still I am not overly concerned other than by a possible delay in Trump taking office.

IMO a recount will only solidify the fact Trump won the electoral votes, and demonstrate the validity of our Founder's electoral college system. I have no fears of this so...go ahead and recount.
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I'm not afraid of a recount.

However I will say this. Those of you on the Left who are pushing for this action, after all the whining, protesting, rioting, faked hate crimes, petitions and efforts to lobby Electors to vote your way, advocating the elimination of the Electoral College completely, and demands for recounts, it only goes to show the utter hypocrisy of your ideological positions.

The need for a reality check.

That there are 225,778,000 eligible voters in the USA, and Hillary only got 28.6% of the total eligible voting population to vote for her. The other 71.4% either voted for someone else or didn't vote at all. The same holds true for Trump, since he only got 27.7% of the total eligible vote, which means he doesn't have any mandate when (if) he takes office. » Whites eligible to vote showed slowest growth in the electorate since 2012

When viewed in this light the difference between a candidate winning a plurality 28.6% of the popular vote while losing the ECV as compared to 27.7% and winning the ECV is not so significant.

This is why most people prefer to quietly accept the tally of the popular vote and the expected Electoral College vote, because no winner actually has the support of a majority of the population.

That to cause this kind of disruption only serves to undermine and de-legitimize the entire election process.

People do that at peril to both the system and the unity it engenders in our vast and varied nation.
 
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Three Wisconsin Counties Just Admitted They Padded Trumps Win With Fake Votes

The point of origin and the discovery of election fraud in Wisconsin in favor of Donald Trump. The reasons that precipitated the recount...

Outagamie County in Wisconsin had four precincts in the areas of Cicero, Grand Chute, Bear Creek, and Hortonville which all showed that they had fewer people overall than had voted in the presidential election.

Thus ordinary voters looking at the already published results discovered in a Wisconsin minute that election fraud had occurred. There were more votes than there were people who voted.

The county elections board scrambled quickly to re-manipulate their figures and totals, which removed over a thousand votes from Donald Trump’s side.

One voter twitted:


You can see the Grand Chute 1-3 results here. All 1126 extra votes were for Trump. Clinton’s total is the same. 2/x

https://twitter.com/dansolomon/status/801119923577569280



In Hortonville. Trump’s number cut 400+ votes, Clinton’s unchanged. Ballots cast now matches votes counted. 3/x
:small
https://twitter.com/dansolomon/status/801120460763082752?ref_src=twsrc^tfw



The village clerk of Hortonville, Lynn Mischkerm offered an explanation to the discrepancy, which didn’t make much sense at the time and under further analysis was proved to be a falsehood. She said:

In order to give election returns to the Outagamie County Clerk’s office as quickly as possible the Chief Inspector added together the votes from the election machine tapes. An error was made while keying the numbers on the calculator during this process resulting in an incorrect number of votes reported on Election night. The official process of tallying the votes was completed and rechecked. These vote numbers were recorded and delivered to the Outagamie County Clerk’s office the morning of November 9th. The official tally reflects the accurate votes in the Village.


To accept this story one would have to believe that the same error was made in four different counties, and that same error resulted in Donald Trump receiving more votes in each instance. Another conundrum is Hillary Clinton’s vote total did not change before the original numbers were announced, or after they were adjusted due to the outrage of voters taking to the Internet.

Three Wisconsin Counties Just Admitted They Padded Trump's Win With Fake Votes

Ahead of recount, Wisconsin has already wiped out 5,000 imaginary Donald Trump votes - Palmer Report
 
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Captain Adverse said:
What I think is:



I'm not afraid of a recount.

However I will say this. Those of you on the Left who are pushing for this action, after all the whining, protesting, rioting, faked hate crimes, petitions and efforts to lobby Electors to vote your way, advocating the elimination of the Electoral College completely, and demands for recounts, it only goes to show the utter hypocrisy of your ideological positions.

The need for a reality check.

That there are 225,778,000 eligible voters in the USA, and Hillary only got 28.6% of the total eligible voting population to vote for her. The other 71.4% either voted for someone else or didn't vote at all. The same holds true for Trump, since he only got 27.7% of the total eligible vote, which means he doesn't have any mandate when (if) he takes office. » Whites eligible to vote showed slowest growth in the electorate since 2012

When viewed in this light the difference between a candidate winning a plurality 28.6% of the popular vote while losing the ECV as compared to 27.7% and winning the ECV is not so significant.

This is why most people prefer to quietly accept the tally of the popular vote and the expected Electoral College vote, because no winner actually has the support of a majority of the population.

That to cause this kind of disruption only serves to undermine and de-legitimize the entire election process.

People do that at peril to both the system and the unity it engenders in our vast and varied nation.
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Thx for making your (Libertarian-Left) view unmistakable.

Decades of empirical findings document that the vast number of people outside the two-party system are not positioned in between each party.

They are in fact outside of each party at or beyond the edge. Libertarians right or left place themselves at either end of the political spectrum because each the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are too moderate and because Libertarians are not moderate.


Concerning a Libertarian's critique of Randy Barnett, Georgetown U Law Professor and Libertarian who defended marijuana successfully in the courts and and led the unsuccessful legal fight to Scotus against Obamacare, and who argues that Libertarians should moderate their views to vote Republican, one Libertarian wrote...

But his conclusion — that libertarians should abandon the Libertarian Party — simply does not follow from his premises. If it’s true that our system encourages the two parties to ignore the radical elements of their bases, why should libertarians want to join that club? Libertarians, by definition, advocate policies that are more radical than their nearest counterparts in either major party.

Libertarians Should NOT Vote Republican (or Democrat) – The Skeptical Libertarian


Most Libertarians are either extreme right or extreme left, not in between.

The vast number of 'em.

Just about all of 'em in fact.
 
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Tangmo said:
“More Votes Than Voters,” Wisconsin Counties Investigating Massive Voter Fraud (DETAILS)


As Wisconsin prepares for an official recount, 5000 fake Trump votes have already been subtracted from Trump’s lead. Trump only won by a total of 27k votes meaning that his lead has already decreased by 18% before the recount has even begun.

In addition, 4 counties in Wisconsin have just reported that their vote tallies are much higher than the total number of voters in the election. It’s starting to look like a reversal could actually be possible.


“More Votes Than Voters,” Wisconsin Counties Investigating Massive Voter Fraud (DETAILS) – US Uncut

The reason the Clinton campaign has become involved in the Stein Wisconsin recount is now clear.

Before the recount has even begun, Trump has had 4,931 votes knocked off his total due to over reporting of the Trump vote by several counties.

This is virtually 5000 votes Trump lost in a matter of hours and before the recount has begun.

When the state Election Commission ordered up cost estimates of the impending recount, several counties suddenly found they had votes recorded for Trump that had not been cast by any registered voter living or dead.

Clinton meanwhile in the same pre-recount shake out lost 199 votes. The Clinton vote adjustments to the real vote were found as a pure matter of simple arithmetic. The over reported Trump votes came from non-existent voters, i.e., the walking and voting dead. We are now getting a good look at Wisconsin Republican Party math.

Fail.

Before the recount has begun, Trump in Wisconsin has lost 18% of his lead.

Here are the numbers from before the Wisconsin Election Commission ordered the cost estimate of the impending recount,

Before Commission issued its order:

Donald Trump 1,409,467
Hillary Clinton 1,382,210
Winning margin 27,257


Here are the new numbers as of the second day after the Commission issued its order and before the recount has begun:

Trump: 1,404,536
Clinton: 1,382,011
Winning Margin: 22,525

In other words, a total of 4,931 votes have now been subtracted from Trump's vote total, votes Trump got from out of the thin air or from six feet under.

Clinton's arithmetic adjustment was also downward, but by only by 199 votes.

Game on.


Ahead of recount, Wisconsin has already wiped out 5,000 imaginary Donald Trump votes - Palmer Report


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
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Don't have reason to believe those doing the 'recounts' aren't crooks and liars, and besides, we can knock off about 20 million from the Democratic vote right off the top due to the illegal alien vote, the ineligible voters, and multiple voters so necessary to the Democratic Party, so you still have a very long way to go selling this gibberish about 'the popular vote going to Hillary'. It's just ridiculous whining and diaper wetting.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
I guess you also missed the part where as long as Trump keeps Pennsylvania he wins with 280 electoral votes.
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Does that assume the electors pledged to Trump actually vote for him? What about this elector insurgency? If even one changes his vote, where would that leave us?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
I was being sarcastic...that's what the rolling eye smilie means.

I guess you also missed the part where as long as Trump keeps Pennsylvania he wins with 280 electoral votes.

Your own citations show he gained votes in PA. :coffeepap:

P.S. You need to stop citing blogs and websites as "Main Stream Media." I've been trying to trace back the report of "5000 votes removed" but only got as far as a local ABC affiliate talking about a possible 1000 vote error in a single county. And that was due to a rush to close the poll and get home where they made a simple addition error. WBAY - Discrepancies in unofficial Outagamie County election results explained - November 22, 2016
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Yeah, but was the person doing the adding RUSSIAN?!
 
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