Gen. Keane on Defeating ISIS: Obama Never Asked Military for a Plan to Get That Done

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apdst said:

There were 54 casualties in 2011. Iraq was being stabilized and brought under control. The bad guys were defeated. Cut-n-run has prolong the fight and renergized the enemy. Men are still being sacrificed. The casualties since 2011 are due to cowardice and politics.

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No, the 'bad' guys were bribed to stop fighting while we left (BushII had already announced- in 2008- we would leave by 2011 in HIS status of forces agreement) The IRAQI parliament rejected the new plan for troops to stay past that- should we invade our now allies????

ISIL formed in SYRIA not IRAQ, a separate nation in the midst of an upheaval BushII's 'arab spring' had unleashed. Should we have invaded Syria???

Since 2011 there have been 29 service deaths in Iraq- about HALF the number since you claim Iraq was stabilized in 2011 (54)...

4482 deaths BEFORE the claimed stabilization year and 29 after...

The reason Iraq failed to stop ISIL is domestic politics and not lack of US support. The ONLY way we can 'support' an army that won't fight is replace it's troops with ours-

Neither the American people nor the Iraqi government wants that. gallup june '14- 61% of the American people APPROVE of Obama's withdrawal of US Troops, in oct '11 it was 75% approval. in jun '14 54% disapproved of sending in troops to assist the Iraqi govt.

Slowly but surely Iraq is waking up to the fact they must defend their borders and are slowly beating back ISIL with US help. Can you imagine if our revolution was judged like you judge Iraq. British forces invaded and marched almost at will anyplace in the Colonies they wished- only some real piss poor generalship allowed Rebel forces to win. Washington lost far more battles very badly than he ever won- his 'best' victory could be the night Christmas attack on a merc outpost in Trenton. Stand up face to face battles went overwhelmingly to the British.

So tuck it back in- there is no cowardliness- no 'cuttin' n runnin''- no failure to support, just the ugly aftermath of Imperial Hubris run amok... eace

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zimmer said:

We have The Neville Chamberlain Administration right now. You see... Gulf War II was a response to Iraq not disarming after Gulf War I. There were 17 UN Resolutions... in 12-years. After 911, we couldn't afford terrorists to access them through Iraq, a country that had and used WMD, and hadn't come clean. A SOFA in Iraq would have allowed us to do exactly what we did in Germany, Japan, S.Korea... and that is bring stability. Obama failed, and now the EU is overrun with people they have little idea about. Iran got everything it wanted... The ME is a mess... that's all thanks to Barack Neville Chamberlain Obama.

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Ahhh to be limber enough to hold one's head in just the right position to see it your way... alas my wounds don't permit such curvature...

Gulf War II was a drummed up war to push a Neo-Con agenda... we could have attacked North Korea for UN violations- THEY were far more outrageous and the people on the other side of the 38th parallel live in disgusting poverty. Why not North Korea???

Trying to tie Saddam and Iraq to Shia terrorists groups is absurd. That is one of the biggest lies told about 'why' we needed to go into Iraq.

SOFA in Germany doesn't block US Troops from host nation courts- the one BushII wanted in Iraq included blocking Iraqi courts from trying US Troops of violating Iraqi laws. So NOT THE EXACT SAME THING. (FYI I was stationed in the FRG back in the 'good ol Warsaw pact days'- try again....)

The middle east is a mess thanks to imperial hubris by a bunch of evangelical Neo-Cons who think the rest of the world wants to be just like us.... eace

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Yeah, genius, the military has the plan. They also have plans to invade Canada.

Should Obama spend time reading that plan?

Deuce said:

Yeah, genius, the military has the plan. They also have plans to invade Canada.

Should Obama spend time reading that plan?

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Folks, you have to love Libs when they start losing it.

National defense is Job #1.

If we are at war... winning is Job #1.

A president so perverted as to not want to ask for plans to WIN says volumes.

His supporters asking whether he should spend his time reading the plans of sworn enemies...

In short... the Left is... Retardville.

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Gaztopian said:

I never believed for a moment that the Obama administration was candid in its desire to defeat ISIS and curb extremism in the Middle East, and this is coming from a staunch and outspoken opponent of the right wing and of Trump alike.

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Always judge politicians by what they do rather than by what they say. What they say is meaningless.

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notquiteright said:

Ahhh to be limber enough to hold one's head in just the right position to see it your way... alas my wounds don't permit such curvature...

Gulf War II was a drummed up war to push a Neo-Con agenda... we could have attacked North Korea for UN violations- THEY were far more outrageous and the people on the other side of the 38th parallel live in disgusting poverty. Why not North Korea???

Trying to tie Saddam and Iraq to Shia terrorists groups is absurd. That is one of the biggest lies told about 'why' we needed to go into Iraq.

SOFA in Germany doesn't block US Troops from host nation courts- the one BushII wanted in Iraq included blocking Iraqi courts from trying US Troops of violating Iraqi laws. So NOT THE EXACT SAME THING. (FYI I was stationed in the FRG back in the 'good ol Warsaw pact days'- try again....)

The middle east is a mess thanks to imperial hubris by a bunch of evangelical Neo-Cons who think the rest of the world wants to be just like us.... eace

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North Korea is not an Islamic country, and it's not suicidal... as Islamists are. It's why we didn't;t have nuclear war with the USSR...

Islamists are different. They're ****ing bonkers. Obama is too, but in a different... Neville Chamberlain way.

Gulf War I and II we responses to evil... not drummed up, except in the cavity betwix your ears.

The reason Obama has done little to nothing, the reason he didn't sign a SOFA is because he was one of the nutjobs Leftists during the Bush43 years.

Had Obama done the right thing, people like you would have lost their minds... as you've been doing during the past 2-plus weeks.

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t4pi0k4 said:

You are so naive.
$6 trillions and thousands of US lives wasted on Arabs, is it not enough?
You want to spend another trillion to do a job that behooves the Iraqi and the Syrians to do?
Militarily it's not a problem to snuff out a handful of jihadis. But the real challenge begins afterwards: how will the Arabs settle their political infighting.
And for the time being the Arab political leaders aren't prepared to do so. Should the US decide to put boots on the ground, every neighboring country will be eager to play their personal card thereby undermining the US agency: Pakistan in Afghanistan, Iran in Irak, Turkey and Saudi Arabia in Syria.
ISIS is an arab swamp, and it should be drained only by the arabs themselves not by already vilified foreigners.
It takes time only because each country wants to defend its own turf and is not ready to compromise.

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You are so naive. If we shouldn't snuff out a few jihadis then what are we doing there at all? Obama believed he could contain radical islam or perhaps even change their minds. How naive is that? Either win or bring them home. There is no inbetween.

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fmw said:

Always judge politicians by what they do rather than by what they say. What they say is meaningless.

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Obama... by his legacy...

A Do Nothing President.

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zimmer said:

Obama... by his legacy...

A Do Nothing President.

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I wish he had been a do nothing president. Unfortunately he did quite a bit and very little of it was a benefit to American society. He was a failed president to be more accurate.

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zimmer said:

Yeah, genius, the military has the plan. They also have plans to invade Canada.

Should Obama spend time reading that plan?





Folks, you have to love Libs when they start losing it.

National defense is Job #1.

If we are at war... winning is Job #1.

A president so perverted as to not want to ask for plans to WIN says volumes.

His supporters asking whether he should spend his time reading the plans of sworn enemies...

In short... the Left is... Retardville.

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You're full of it.
He didn't ask for a plan for full-scale invasion because we aren't going to do that. ISIS is being defeated, by us supporting the locals instead of stomping in an occupying for a decade.

Is that you want? Another decade of occupation, thousands more American soldiers killed? You want that?

Be a man and admit you want to do a full-scale land invasion to defeat ISIS. You, after all, think that's the only way to win.

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zimmer said:

North Korea is not an Islamic country, and it's not suicidal... as Islamists are. It's why we didn't;t have nuclear war with the USSR... Islamists are different. They're ****ing bonkers. Obama is too, but in a different... Neville Chamberlain way. Gulf War I and II we responses to evil... not drummed up, except in the cavity betwix your ears. The reason Obama has done little to nothing, the reason he didn't sign a SOFA is because he was one of the nutjobs Leftists during the Bush43 years. Had Obama done the right thing, people like you would have lost their minds... as you've been doing during the past 2-plus weeks.

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More Neo-Con dodge. there were no suicidal Islamists in power in Iraq during either Gulf War.... :roll:

Only AFTER BushII broke Iraq but didn't have a clue how to fix it did Radical Islam gain a foothold, try and stick to facts, not some mush of broken timelines and attempts to ignore we attacked a nation for reasons we allow other nations to keep right on 'sinning'.

North Korea has been working on a Nuke for decades- we did NO THING. North Korea has threatened attacking the South, attacking us, attacking Japan. Their people die by the thousands. They are ****ing bonkers! We do NO THING.

The biggest difference between Iraq and North Korea is there is nothing in North Korea we want to exploit. iraq has OIL.

Problem with using major ground formations to take on suicide bombers is hundreds of innocent not suicidal Muslims get killed.

Gulf I fought an evil, Gulf II fought to show the world our power. dozens of nations violate UN resolutions- we do NO THING. BushII demanded our troops be protected from Iraqi law in the SOFA which the Iraqi parliament refused to accept. Our SOFA with Germany ALLOWS US troops to be tried for high crimes, the Japanese demand the same for sailors and Marines who rape Okinawan girls- what 'ally' would accept not being able to enforce their laws on their soils to ALL who do their citizens harm???

No BushII and the Neo-Cons wanted a fight to show the world who the new boss is- they picked Iraq out of a dozen possibles. they went in to plant the seeds of democracy in the desert... they failed horribly.

The American people don't want major ground units back in. ISIL has been stopped and is slowly being pushed back. We don't need to send major ground formations back in.

As a wounded vet if there was a time for me to lose my mind over this it was when BushII and his crew so glibly launched a war into Iraq, not the process of extraction... eace

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Deuce said:

You're full of it.
He didn't ask for a plan for full-scale invasion because we aren't going to do that. ISIS is being defeated, by us supporting the locals instead of stomping in an occupying for a decade.

Is that you want? Another decade of occupation, thousands more American soldiers killed? You want that?

Be a man and admit you want to do a full-scale land invasion to defeat ISIS. You, after all, think that's the only way to win.

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He did not ask for a plan to win.

That is Major League Moronic.

With Obama... Millions have fled to Europe... putting their population at risk... and ours.

We occupied Japan... South Korea and Germany to bring stability.

There was a semblance of stability in Iraq before Obama-Chamberlain entered the scene.

Now we have a massive mess.

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zimmer said:

Perhaps our Kindergarten POTUS needs to be held by the hand and told what our priorities are and when to go potty.

What type of moron does not ask for plans to win? ObamaMoron. Winning is only Job #1 when we have men and women fighting, but Obama knows better... so he doesn't need to ask for plans for winning.

I can't think of a professional sports team that doesn't prepare to WIN. Not one. If they don't, their coach and other executives heads would roll.

It's not the military who tells what POTUS is to do unsolicited. They work for HIM. HE... is Commander in Chief.

Obama ran in 08 claiming he had superior judgement. Even the blindest, most partisan bats have learned otherwise. Obama is a fool, and his neglect in this area (OP) is so incompetent it's damn near treasonous.

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As far as I'm concerned, Obama is a traitor, a domestic enemy of the US Constitution. Like his predecessor, he should be hanged.

That said, if the Pentagon is as full of patriots as they would like us to believe, why didn't one of them step up?