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You guys comparing the single core right in a democracy to buying beer, it never gets old.

Come on Deuce, you don't care where your votes come from, as long as your candidates win. If Isis submitted 100,000 absentee ballots for Hillary in Wisconsin, the DNC and their supporters wouldn't want them tossed.

Theres 7.4 billion potential American voters on earth according to you guys.
 
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You guys fabricate the lie that requiring people to show ID in order to vote discriminates against the poor.

It's not a lie. The people affected are typically those who are poor and who live in inner cities (i.e. don't drive a car). Or they're old and poor with expired DLs.

ID is required in liquor stores to buy beer, and yet poor people have no trouble getting access to beer, do they? I've never seen a protest to stop ID laws for alcohol consumption because it's 'unfair'.

This is a non sequitur.

So what's the real reason why you don't want Voter ID laws?

The "real reason" are the reasons I've laid out in a couple dozen threads. You've been part of those discussions so you know already or can find out. And you calling me a liar isn't actually an argument worth addressing.
 
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Come on Deuce, you don't care where your votes come from, as long as your candidates win. If Isis submitted 100,000 absentee ballots for Hillary in Wisconsin, the DNC and their supporters wouldn't want them tossed.

Theres 7.4 billion potential American voters on earth according to you guys.

It's always fun to see hypotheticals presented as actual arguments.

I'll show you how easy it is to make such silly arguments: "Nuh uh! And YOU would support reinstating poll taxes and literacy tests that targeted only blacks like in Jim Crow days!!" :roll:
 
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It's not a lie. The people affected are typically those who are poor and who live in inner cities (i.e. don't drive a car). Or they're old and poor with expired DLs.



This is a non sequitur.



The "real reason" are the reasons I've laid out in a couple dozen threads. You've been part of those discussions so you know already or can find out. And you calling me a liar isn't actually an argument worth addressing.

Many states offer free or discounted ID cards for people who fall below a certain income level. Unless you are disabled and unable to physically leave your house, you should have no problem riding a bus or getting a ride to the DMV to get an ID card.

Local DNC volunteers will drive people to the polls to vote on election day. Why can't they also drive them to get an ID if they need one?
 
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I think its time to agree with the recount initiative and to in fact take it all one step further. After the recounts are over, Trump will still be the President. He should appoint a commission to do a state by state review, starting on the left coast and working eastward and audit every single vote cast. Every voter that is not a legal voter should be arrested and changed with the full force of the law. That includes fraudulent voter registration efforts. Once and for all we should do something everyone can agree with and that is to clean up our election process. If there is a concern about 'legitimizing' the process I can think of no better way than to prove just how sincere we are about this process.
 
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Many states offer free or discounted ID cards for people who fall below a certain income level. Unless you are disabled and unable to physically leave your house, you should have no problem riding a bus or getting a ride to the DMV to get an ID card.

Local DNC volunteers will drive people to the polls to vote on election day. Why can't they also drive them to get an ID if they need one?

We've had many threads on all these issues. If you didn't comprehend the arguments then, you won't now, so I'll pass rehashing the same issues here.

I will point out that if you're depending on volunteers to mitigate the burden, you're admitting the core of the argument against the strict photo ID laws.
 
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We've had many threads on all these issues. If you didn't comprehend the arguments then, you won't now, so I'll pass rehashing the same issues here.

I will point out that if you're depending on volunteers to mitigate the burden, you're admitting the core of the argument against the strict photo ID laws.

In California, felons being housed in prison are allowed to vote in state elections. Do you like this idea too?
 
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I don't see it as a given that stringent photo ID is 'better than nothing'. There are 100 or so threads discussing the issue, but what's always missing from conservatives is any acknowledgment that there is a downside to new and stringent rules, much less any analysis of the trade-off.
Along with no acknowledgement from liberals that there's a need for making sure that the voters are who they say they are and that they have the legal right to vote. The answer is almost always that conservatives are just trying to suppress minority votes, which has ZERO truth to it. The onle way you can ever come to the conclusion that there is a downside is by assuming that some people can't acquire legal ID. I'm a FIRM believer that legal ID should be free for all citizens and legal immigrants (I'd even back making it pretty much a requirement for legal transactions).

Sure, no problem with investigating, and if there was 'voter fraud' prosecute the perpetrators.
But we have a lot of people who think that investigating equals conviction and since they can't see 100% rock solid proof already, they don't want even an investigation done as a result of their skewed way of thinking.
 
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In California, felons being housed in prison are allowed to vote in state elections. Do you like this idea too?

Well, no, that's false..... :roll:
 
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Along with no acknowledgement from liberals that there's a need for making sure that the voters are who they say they are and that they have the legal right to vote.

1) Registration is the place in the process where voter eligibility is determined. I can't speak for mythical "liberals" but I support voters properly registering and appropriate checks to make sure those who do register are qualified to vote.

2) There are many ways for voters to verify their identity. For many years in Tennessee, we were required to present one of many forms of ID - voter registration card, DL, SS card, work ID, paycheck stub, etc. There is NO EVIDENCE that using a long list of acceptable IDs resulted in more than trivial amounts of impersonation fraud. So, we changed the rules to restrict ID to just a few forms of ID to address a problem that didn't exist under the old rules.

The answer is almost always that conservatives are just trying to suppress minority votes, which has ZERO truth to it.

So I'm supposed to believe it's merely a coincidence that the NC legislature requested a bunch of voting behavior by race, then targeted the voting patterns of blacks with "surgical precision" but ignored absentee ballots - which are more often used by white conservatives - where all the actual fraud is? Give me a break....

The onle way you can ever come to the conclusion that there is a downside is by assuming that some people can't acquire legal ID.

That's just nonsense. Let's say that I want to suppress rural votes. Easy enough - just make all voting take place in two or three cities, and make all the rural folk drive an hour or two each way to cast a vote while those in the city walk a couple of blocks. CAN all those people make the drive, or vote absentee? Of course! Will some significant number of rural voters be disenfranchised because of the big hurdle we put in the way? Of course.

I'm a FIRM believer that legal ID should be free for all citizens and legal immigrants (I'd even back making it pretty much a requirement for legal transactions).

I've said many times, voting ID as part of a general reform of our stupid and broken system where 50 little voting fiefdoms come up with 50 different sets of rules, is perfectly fine with me. Make registration automatic at age 18, when you move it is changed when you file a change of address with the P.O. or otherwise record your new address online, etc. Fine, then issue everyone a voter ID card and we've done something substantial to address our stupid voting system. I'm all for that kind of reform.

But we have a lot of people who think that investigating equals conviction and since they can't see 100% rock solid proof already, they don't want even an investigation done as a result of their skewed way of thinking.

I can't address what someone else thinks - I'm all for investigating credible accounts of 'voter fraud' or election fraud.
 
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