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Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests turn ug

Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

Uhh, no, a majority of people did not elect Trump. A majority of electoral votes did.

Not the same thing.

one matters, one does not--you are fixated on whining about numbers that mean NOTHING. Its like bragging you won a few more games in a tennis match when you lost the match 3 sets to one. Or pretending you are the NBA world champions because you scored more points in the finals even if you lost 4 games to 2. since the popular vote means NOTHING, the candidates did not try to MAXIMIZE the popular vote. Its why Trump didn't waste his time campaigning in places like Hawaii or San Francisco.
 
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They really can't handle losing.

Has society honestly become so mentally weak?

you need to understand you are dealing with people who think anything and everything good in life has to be given to them by the government. That tif it wasn't for government, evil capitalists would be raping their dogs and stealing their bedsheets. When the government-their own personal Jesus-is taken over by the evil right, it would be like telling Islamists that Bibi Netanyahu has been made the Mayor of Mecca
 
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you need to understand you are dealing with people who think anything and everything good in life has to be given to them by the government. That tif it wasn't for government, evil capitalists would be raping their dogs and stealing their bedsheets. When the government-their own personal Jesus-is taken over by the evil right, it would be like telling Islamists that Bibi Netanyahu has been made the Mayor of Mecca

You need to understand you are dealing with people who think that if they dont get what they think they got coming then they got robbed man.

And a big part of what they think they got coming is for us to become their fantasy versions of us in RL.

Reality keeps ruining all their plans

Boo HOO.
 
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remind me how that matters. How many congressional districts voted for Trump vs the lying Bitch. You seem to think some high density concentrations of voters in liberal echo chambers like NYC or SF matter more than the fact that most of the country voted red. The GOP has more governors, more congressmen, more senators, more state legislators. Sounds like the creeping crud of collectivism didn't do all that well last week

The depth and breadth of liberal America extends far beyond NYC and SF and the majority of voters did not vote red. Trump's election was driven largely by single issue traditionally democratic voters who bought into his campaign horse **** that he would necromance the coal industry and revive the manufacturing industry - none of which is going to happen. His toadies have so far been too busy celebrating to notice that he's been walking back his campaign promises one by one before he's even been inaugurated. Controlling Congress and the White House is probably the worst thing that could have happened to the GOP because they won't be able to assign blame to the Democrats anymore for their failure to deliver on the promises that got them elected.

Unlike the Presidential election, the midterms are decided by popular votes rather than the minority of people who exist at the fringes of our civilization. The reality is that his election has rallied free-thinkers like never before and coalitions to oppose the GOP are forming all over the country soon to be joined by those who realize they were sold snake oil. We'll be handing them their hats in 2 years.
 
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Lol no the majority of people in the states who vote for electorals did.
You don't win electorals unless the majority of people in the state vote for you to win them.

Yet another person that missed us government class.

Yet another person who skipped english.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

The will of the people was upheld.
The majority of people in the states elected trump.

You want to silence their voice?
The only question is why?
No they did not!

We've been through this.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

another angry 70 something (when she runs) wretch of a candidate. go for it. I suspect most Americans want someone who is for SOMETHING rather than running because they want to wreck or ruin something

I wonder if the Dems have somebody other than another liar.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

They really can't handle losing.

Has society honestly become so mentally weak?

I wouldn't say the whole of society.

If somebody can be swayed by the media without checking things out for themselves, then I guess you could put them in the mentally weak category.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

I wonder if the Dems have somebody other than another liar.

well they could drag out goofy bernie again or even goofier Kaine.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

well they could drag out goofy bernie again or even goofier Kaine.

Do we really think Sanders will be around in another 4 years.

I think this campaign took a lot out of him.

He caved so fast after he lost, it looked like he just wanted out.

I hope the Dems put up somebody that doesn't have an evil Joker smile like Hillary and Kaine did.
 
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Do we really think Sanders will be around in another 4 years.

I think this campaign took a lot out of him.

He caved so fast after he lost, it looked like he just wanted out.

I hope the Dems put up somebody that doesn't have an evil Joker smile like Hillary and Kaine did.

Very much like Kaine, who I think it was yesterday was saying "Man, I am glad that is over, glad to be home"(paraphrase).
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

Top Democrats tell supporters to ?stand up and fight?, as anti-Trump protests turn ugly | South China Morning Post



From the South China Morning Post (one of Southern China and SE Asia's most widely read English newspapers).

Seems like the previous tone here in Asia (against Trump, for Clinton) is not only waning fast, but many less-democratic countries are beginning to use the Democrats as an example of the failures of democracy.

Very informative post. Here in the States, the media only tells us about Putin's supposed support for Trump. We never hear about China or Asia and how they cover this.


I've heard audio tape of leftists making death threats and proposing revolution. If things kick off here, I think I'd rather be in Hong Kong or Macau :mrgreen:
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

No they did not!

We've been through this.

That was the point of NAFTA, the '86 amnesty, and pretty much everything the knuckle heads in the DNC have done for 30 years. They don't realize that they've created instability and possible revolt from their power grab.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

Yet another person who skipped english.

Your concession is noted. Grammar fallacies are just that.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

No they did not!

We've been through this.

Yes they did otherwise he wouldn't have gotten the majority of electoral votes.
What do they teach kids in high school?

Evidently nothing on how our government works.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

I wouldn't say the whole of society.

If somebody can be swayed by the media without checking things out for themselves, then I guess you could put them in the mentally weak category.

Have you seen the mental melt down occurring by the liberal left?
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

Your concession is noted. Grammar fallacies are just that.

You're the one arguing semantics here. More people voted for Hillary Clinton.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

You're the one arguing semantics here. More people voted for Hillary Clinton.

that is why she lost lol. more people in more states voted for trump hence why he won.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

Have you seen the mental melt down occurring by the liberal left?

Yes I have but most of them are brainless children.
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

Groundwork like using state legislative power to suppress voter turnout for the other guys?

I'm not sure why you addressed that toward me, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Democrats could stand to take local elections a little more seriously.
 
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Very informative post. Here in the States, the media only tells us about Putin's supposed support for Trump. We never hear about China or Asia and how they cover this.


I've heard audio tape of leftists making death threats and proposing revolution. If things kick off here, I think I'd rather be in Hong Kong or Macau :mrgreen:

Would highly recommend you not. Getting worse by the day here. Lots of expats from the US are going home, and I have many friends and acquaintances that keep asking me about immigrating to the US (since, you know, I did it the hard way...legally).

Like the mainstream media in the US, most of the radio shows, TV stations, and tabloids (in HK, Macau, southern China, as well as cities like Shanghai) were extremely critical and negative of Trump. This tone has drastically changed since Trumpy won the election. There are constant 15-20 minute reruns on TV news shows backed by pro-China business interests that constantly harp on the protests, specifically Portland, followed by commentary from academics, business leaders, and politicians about why democracy =/= peace and prosperity, why the US system sucks, etc. etc.

The majority of people here are against most of the welfare-screaming members of the pan-democrats, but there are a few that truly do seem to be trying their best to help improve the city and people's livelihoods. But due to the rowdy crowd's protests and regular childish antics, the pro-Beijing government began to crack down on dissidents. Problem for us that they have started relating the protests against Trump to the anarchists and woe-is-me "I'm so educated but my 9-5 pays like ****" here in HK, and the government has been taking both their rhetoric and actions to extremes. They have begun legal procedures to ban not just the "pan-democrats", but anyone that doesn't toe the Beijing line, from running for the elected Legislature, in the hopes that they will have a so-called filibuster-proof majority. This would allow the pro-Beijing government to pass laws (which they tried to in the past, but over 1 million people in this 6.5 million population city protested against, so they scratched the plan) that would make it illegal to protest against the government, buy/sell/disseminate "propaganda", and other issues.

The funny thing is that they have also used (again) the Democrats as an example. Past 2-3 days on the nightly news, academics and politicians have been telling people that this overreach by our Chief Executive (basically the city's mayor) on wiping the opposition has many precedents, including "Look at the US President, Barrack Obama's, use of executive orders."

The simple fact is that the pro-communist parties here are using the democrats and their ridiculous protests, and flagrant disrespect for the nation's laws and the electoral college, as an excuse to crush dissent, in a city where we have already begun to slowly see our freedoms erode, where if you identify as an "American" or a "Hong Konger", or "Taiwanese, and not strictly "Chinese", you are regarded as a Chinese "Uncle Tom", a racist, and a traitor. So (like the Demo's in the US) you are effectively silenced, and nothing you say or do is of consequence.
 
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Would highly recommend you not. Getting worse by the day here. Lots of expats from the US are going home, and I have many friends and acquaintances that keep asking me about immigrating to the US (since, you know, I did it the hard way...legally).

Like the mainstream media in the US, most of the radio shows, TV stations, and tabloids (in HK, Macau, southern China, as well as cities like Shanghai) were extremely critical and negative of Trump. This tone has drastically changed since Trumpy won the election. There are constant 15-20 minute reruns on TV news shows backed by pro-China business interests that constantly harp on the protests, specifically Portland, followed by commentary from academics, business leaders, and politicians about why democracy =/= peace and prosperity, why the US system sucks, etc. etc.

The majority of people here are against most of the welfare-screaming members of the pan-democrats, but there are a few that truly do seem to be trying their best to help improve the city and people's livelihoods. But due to the rowdy crowd's protests and regular childish antics, the pro-Beijing government began to crack down on dissidents. Problem for us that they have started relating the protests against Trump to the anarchists and woe-is-me "I'm so educated but my 9-5 pays like ****" here in HK, and the government has been taking both their rhetoric and actions to extremes. They have begun legal procedures to ban not just the "pan-democrats", but anyone that doesn't toe the Beijing line, from running for the elected Legislature, in the hopes that they will have a so-called filibuster-proof majority. This would allow the pro-Beijing government to pass laws (which they tried to in the past, but over 1 million people in this 6.5 million population city protested against, so they scratched the plan) that would make it illegal to protest against the government, buy/sell/disseminate "propaganda", and other issues.

The funny thing is that they have also used (again) the Democrats as an example. Past 2-3 days on the nightly news, academics and politicians have been telling people that this overreach by our Chief Executive (basically the city's mayor) on wiping the opposition has many precedents, including "Look at the US President, Barrack Obama's, use of executive orders."

The simple fact is that the pro-communist parties here are using the democrats and their ridiculous protests, and flagrant disrespect for the nation's laws and the electoral college, as an excuse to crush dissent, in a city where we have already begun to slowly see our freedoms erode, where if you identify as an "American" or a "Hong Konger", or "Taiwanese, and not strictly "Chinese", you are regarded as a Chinese "Uncle Tom", a racist, and a traitor. So (like the Demo's in the US) you are effectively silenced, and nothing you say or do is of consequence.

Another interesting post.

What do you think the government and media there would have done had Hillary Clinton won? You said they were both supporting her before the election, what would their propaganda be now in your opinion?

I'm surprised that the Chinese would tout Obama's use of executive order, that floored me. Does the citizenry think highly enough of Obama for that to have any effect on their opinions?
 
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Isn't this just an 'I reject democracy and the election rules of the Republic because I don't like how the election turned out / didn't get what I wanted' ?

Frankly, they should take a lesson from all those who legitimately opposed Obama in '08 and '12, and NOT protest / riot. Besides, from what I've heard and read, these are mostly paid for professional protesters / rioters, in the pay of the usual suspects who have an interest in causing problems, i.e. Soros, et. al.

Wait, people didn't protest Obama's election in 2008?
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

Wait, people didn't protest Obama's election in 2008?

Did they?
 
Re: Top Democrats tell supporters to ‘stand up and fight’, as anti-Trump protests tur

What do you think the government and media there would have done had Hillary Clinton won? You said they were both supporting her before the election, what would their propaganda be now in your opinion?

Just my opinion, but they were spinning it other way to their benefit before. For example, before the election results, there was incessant talk from the media talking heads about the South China Sea "issue", and how Hillary was behind the pivot (with an emphasis on it NOT being Obama). Many nationalistic Chinese here view the US's pivot as trying to "keep us down", so to speak. A lot of talk was about how the PRC was currently "winning the war" in regards to SCS, what with Duterte announcing his "separation" from the US, the new fighter jet, the aircraft carrier going into commission with takeoffs / landings working, new carrier killer missiles, etc. Some of us viewed the so-called "pro-Hillary" media as more so, "We must stay ready, if Hillary wins (as expected), we will need to be united and vigilant over against the US, as she will step up the "freedom of navigation" provocation". In a sense, the US elections were used both as a call for unity, to denounce the "separatists" (which includes a lot of people, from good-hearted pro-democracy advocates, to crazy burn it down anarchists, in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and to an extent Tibet and majority Muslim Xinjiang), and as a call to be prepared to resist the "American Empire". It wasn't that they were "supporting" Hillary per se, it was more so, whelp, she's probably gonna win, so let's use her against our adversaries kind of thing.

So when Trump won, after less than 24 hours, the tone completely changed. For example, "Oh, Hillary lost because she was "sexist" (haha), and the Democrats were abusing the little people and calling them idiots. Unlike us supporters of Beijing, who (of course) love the little people." Or "Look at those riots, don't they look familiar to the pro-democracy Occupy movement? WE would never allow evil protesters (or other kinds) to beat you up or destroy your shop", basically labeling everyone that wants to keep Hong Kong's freedoms as a traitor and "running dogs" and "bananas" (used as a racist terms by people to drown out dissent, USA left-wing style, similar to Uncle Tom...yellow on the outside, white on the inside kind of thing). Not that the ultra left is any better with the "50 cent" terms.

In addition, it's not necessarily both the media and gov. that were pushing it. There are so-called pro-Western local media here, published in the local dialect, and one is quite famous for it's (unsubstantiated, but MANY people believe this) links to the Clinton family, to the CFR, and the National Endowment for Democracy. However, it is banned in mainland China, and is regarded by the majority of HK and Macau people as a tabloid rag (kind of like the National Enquirer).

In regards to Obama, you would be surprised at a lot of the local sentiment in many parts of mainland China, especially among the educated, those that want to immigrate, many of those that are "rags to riches", or have dreams of studying in the USA. For many, many people, Obama is literally "the bomb". I've hardly ever met anyone in China, wealthy or not, that doesn't privately admire Obama. His speeches, especially the "don't tell me words don't matter" one, are being read to children all over, by their parents and (secretly) by some educators. There's this ingrained feeling in a lot of mainland Chinese, due to propaganda, hard times in their youth, and (at times) personal experience, that white American is racist to everyone else (not all, and not true IMHO), so not only were people shocked when Obama first took office, a lot of them felt connected to him...you know, poor guy that "made it", just like us. There are literally people that believe Obama was swimming against a sea of racists that were trying to lynch him at every step, so for him to have "won" doesn't show America isn't racist, it just shows that Obama is "the man". In a sense, there's a disconnect between Obama the MAN, and Obama the PRESIDENT (specifically his policies), which a ton of people constantly rail against.
 
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