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Fatal Sucker Punch - Will the Justice Dept Investagate? Nope

I realize there's a typo in the headline. My apologies.
 
Quoting the suspects Facebook comments.

I had to put my hands on somebody last night smdh...

I don't feel bad for protecting mine at all, I'd do it again.​

No idiot, you did not have to put your hands on anyone. The fact that you did over it says you are an idiot deserving of prison time.

No, you were not protecting your own, that you think you were says you need to mature more and contemplate your wrongful actions, of which prison will do just fine.


That said ...
He did not intend to kill the person so the charges and sentence should take that into consideration.
 
Brewdog said:
Suspect in fatal Queens assault bragged about attack in public Facebook posts* | Daily Mail Online
Suspect in fatal Queens sucker-punch that was captured on CCTV bragged about attack in public Facebook posts

What are the odds the US Justice Department and Loretta Lynch will charge him with a hate crime?

Zero chance.
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It might be more sensible to admit that it is time to remove the idea that "hate crimes" are worse than other crimes of similar violence or should be treated any differently legally.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Where is any indication (much less proof "beyond a reasonable doubt") of a racial motive?
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But if it were the other way around, the Justice Department would be chomping at the bit to get him.

I don't agree with hate crime laws at all. A crime of violence is a crime of violence. You shouldn't be legislating thought.

But if we're going to have two standards, it's worth noting the disparity.
 
joG said:
It might be more sensible to admit that it is time to remove the idea that "hate crimes" are worse than other crimes of similar violence or should be treated any differently legally.
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I agree and have since the term first came up. Those that commit crimes do so for a wide range of motives, but it is the actual crime that matters, murder and assault are still murder and assault no matter what the motive. Oh, and I would throw in spousal abuse, stop treating it a simple family dispute, why is it that is a person that assaults their spouse is treated differently from someone that assaults someone down the street, utter nonsense.
 
Brewdog said:
But if it were the other way around, the Justice Department would be chomping at the bit to get him.

I don't agree with hate crime laws at all. A crime of violence is a crime of violence. You shouldn't be legislating thought.

But if we're going to have two standards, it's worth noting the disparity.
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I can agree that few (if any) violent crimes could be called "like crimes" (as opposed to "hate crimes") but motive is (or at least should be) taken into account. Knowing the motive, in this case merely perceived disrespect and/or a chance to "impress" his girlfriend (and online pals), is very important when considering the odds of a repeat offense thus the length of sentence to be imposed. IMHO, armed robbery should have an extremely long sentence (LWOP?) since the perp considers their immediate financial gratification more important than the life of any others who may dare to resist.
 
When he is caught he will plea down to involuntary manslaughter, and be out in a year or two.

This points to an issue with the black community that goes beyond BLM.
 
Welcome to our new culture, headed downward with each passing day... :(
 
Anyone notice how unconcerned the woman was? Just a normal day at the office.

Hate crimes are only white against anyone else, everyone else has a free pass to plunder and hate on whites.
 
Casper said:
I agree and have since the term first came up. Those that commit crimes do so for a wide range of motives, but it is the actual crime that matters, murder and assault are still murder and assault no matter what the motive. Oh, and I would throw in spousal abuse, stop treating it a simple family dispute, why is it that is a person that assaults their spouse is treated differently from someone that assaults someone down the street, utter nonsense.
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That (bolded above) assertion is not so because self defense and justifiable homicide exist as motives that can receive either a not guilty verdict or a vastly reduced sentence.
 
Casper said:
I agree and have since the term first came up. Those that commit crimes do so for a wide range of motives, but it is the actual crime that matters, murder and assault are still murder and assault no matter what the motive. Oh, and I would throw in spousal abuse, stop treating it a simple family dispute, why is it that is a person that assaults their spouse is treated differently from someone that assaults someone down the street, utter nonsense.
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Because in most cases the victim doesn't want to press charges in DV cases and it's hard to prove the extent of what happened
 
chuckiechan said:
Anyone notice how unconcerned the woman was? Just a normal day at the office.

Hate crimes are only white against anyone else, everyone else has a free pass to plunder and hate on whites.
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Just like to be a rayyycist you have to be white. By their own PC definition, blacks cannot be racists because there are fewer of them.
 
chuckiechan said:
When he is caught he will plea down to involuntary manslaughter, and be out in a year or two.

This points to an issue with the black community that goes beyond BLM.
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Manslaughter is a one year sentence in New York?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) assertion is not so because self defense and justifiable homicide exist as motives that can receive either a not guilty verdict or a vastly reduced sentence.
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Again, self defense is not a crime, neither is justifiable homicide, but other than when it comes to sentencing the motive should have no real impact on the verdict.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Because in most cases the victim doesn't want to press charges in DV cases and it's hard to prove the extent of what happened
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Unfortunately, True, victims often forget that abusers do not change without serious therapy and what got the perp arrest Will happen again, and maybe one of those times the perp will kill them. That is why is many States, if actual damage is noted by the LEO someone goes to jail, and the State takes over the case, period.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Where is any indication (much less proof "beyond a reasonable doubt") of a racial motive?
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Exactly the same place that the rest of these hate crimes are racial.

Zimmerman? No not that one.

Brown? Not that either?

The Harvard professor? Ol' Skippy? Nada.
 
Casper said:
Again, self defense is not a crime, neither is justifiable homicide, but other than when it comes to sentencing the motive should have no real impact on the verdict.
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The sentence is the biggest part of the verdict's impact - two years locked up for an assault conviction is very different than two years probation for an assault conviction. How can you assert that assault is assault regardless of the motive and that variable sentences for that same crime are justified?
 
Casper said:
Unfortunately, True, victims often forget that abusers do not change without serious therapy and what got the perp arrest Will happen again, and maybe one of those times the perp will kill them. That is why is many States, if actual damage is noted by the LEO someone goes to jail, and the State takes over the case, period.
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...at my expense, I assume.

The best therapy that works and costs nothing is what they do in Singapore. Just ask Michael P. Fay. Based on the available records, Michael never again vandalized anything in that country.

He did a lot of **** in the US upon his return, though, but not in Singapore.

Isn't it funny how it works?
 
Casper said:
Unfortunately, True, victims often forget that abusers do not change without serious therapy and what got the perp arrest Will happen again, and maybe one of those times the perp will kill them. That is why is many States, if actual damage is noted by the LEO someone goes to jail, and the State takes over the case, period.
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We have that in WA, but the thing is very few DV assault charges ever go to trial. I think most would lose there, so prosecutors offer sweetheart plea deals for no jail time and some anger management class in exchange for not trying it
 
jimbo said:
Exactly the same place that the rest of these hate crimes are racial.

Zimmerman? No not that one.

Brown? Not that either?

The Harvard professor? Ol' Skippy? Nada.
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Which of your (above) examples resulted in "hate crime" charges?
 
They need to throw the book at this guy and lock him up for life.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Which of your (above) examples resulted in "hate crime" charges?
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I thought we were talking about DOJ investigations.

The first two, Investigated
The last, handled by the head hatist himself.
 
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