Was O'Keefe Sting Really A False Narrative?

ModerateGOP said:

The topic is nothing but CT Clickbait. Enjoy living in lalala land.

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ModerateGOP said:

What's more dangerous is the guy in charge of this channel actually thinks that he is affecting the election in some way and there are conspiracies out to get him and stop him from "telling the truth." Can we move this to the CT Forum now, please?

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ModerateGOP said:

So you have no problems with all of the other material on his channel??? None of that bugs you? None of that makes you question this video either?

You can't be honest without considering the source. Aren't you the one always complaining about bias...

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Deuce said:

Please. Are you telling me you just accept footage from Michael Moore at face value and discuss it as evidence? Or do you remain skeptical until further details and analysis comes up.

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Grim17 said:

1. OMFG... That is the single most ridiculous and dishonest statement I've seen on this forum in 2016. Peer reviewed evidence... ROFLMMFAO What in the hell are you talking about?

2. Caught on video having a heated exchange with a Trump supporter at the Trump event in Chicago, where violence broke out.
She admitted her and Aaron Black were responsible for that event. Aaron Black confirmed this in a separate hidden camera confession, giving Bob Creamer the majority of credit for what took place.

3. Caught on video a few weeks later at the Arizona event where activists shut down a highway. She admitted she was responsible for that on hidden camera.

4. Said she has conference calls at 1PM daily with the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.
Email from Bob Creamer to the DNC's Communication Director, reminding her of a 1PM conference call to discuss upcoming Trump events. That establishes that there are in fact 1PM conference calls with the DNC about the planning of Trump events.... Then there's the Disbursements data from the Federal Elections Commission website, showing that in February of this year, Rodriguez was paid over $1,600.00 by the Hillary Clinton campaign (Hillary for America), which ties her financially to Hillary's campaign.

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ModerateGOP said:

So you have no problems with all of the other material on his channel??? None of that bugs you? None of that makes you question this video either?

You can't be honest without considering the source. Aren't you the one always complaining about bias...

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ModerateGOP said:

1. I see the point I was making went right over your head yet again, but let's boil this one down too while I am at it:

2. OMG She was being mean to a Trump supporter! Hillary Clinton herself must have told her to do that! :roll:
3. OMG she was at the Arizona Protest...
4. OMG She got a daily reminder in her email to talk about what Trump events were going on

So again, nothing to see here.

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ModerateGOP said:

1. I see the point I was making went right over your head yet again, but let's boil this one down too while I am at it:

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2. OMG She was being mean to a Trump supporter! Hillary Clinton herself must have told her to do that! :roll:

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3. OMG she was at the Arizona Protest...

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4. OMG She got a daily reminder in her email to talk about what Trump events were going on

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So again, nothing to see here.

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Grim17 said:

1. I think you meant to say she was "inciting violence" at the Chicago Trump event. Of course I suppose Hillary could have instructed her personally during one of those conference calls discussing strategy at upcoming Trump events... I mean she did pay her, Right?

2. She certainly was... The lady sure get's around. When you are funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign, George Soros and MoveOn.org, I guess travel expenses aren't an issue, right?

3. No... She got a reminder about the 1PM conference call with the Clinton campaign (like Rodriguez said) to discuss how they were going to incite violence at upcoming Trump events. You of course understand that it is against the law for that type of coordination to take place, right?

4. why are you still here?

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ModerateGOP said:

1. Actually no. It's not clear she was inciting any violence at any trump events. Now if you are to go so far as to say holding up mean signs and being emotional about your position is inciting violence. Well, Trump supporters have really thin skin then. Am I inciting violence against you because I don't agree with you at all about this video? No I am not.

2. So wait you are mad at Hillary Clinton for hiring activists? You do know that at every single Trump event Trump hires activists too right? As did every major candidate besides Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders...

3. The rules of what consists of a consultant are a grey area in politics, and it was clear based on those financial records that she is a consultant. Which seems to be the only hard fact here. If she at other times worked for Moveon and Soros then that is only experience for her Democrat resume. I would never work for those groups but if she wants to why not? Yeah she gets around because she is an activist and this is what she does for a living! We've even had someone like this become the President. Oh the horror! This is mainly why I don't like activists but they legally exist within the system. Everyone uses them! It's not a Clinton practice that they started. You should take a look at this article if you are truly interested in the business of crowd-hiring: The Business of Hiring a Fake Crowd for Political Campaigns - The Atlantic

4. You asked, I answered. Don't act all innocent now because I keep picking your theories apart piece by piece

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Grim17 said:

You're almost there... Now if you put everything together that was said by Bob Creamer, Scott Foval, Aaron Black and Zulema Rodriguez, from both the videos and the DNC emails, the picture it paints is clear and unmistakable...

Only a partisan fool would pretend that the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign weren't involved in inciting violence at Trump rallies.

p.s. I'm still waiting for all the fake evidence you claim exists.

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Grim17 said:

Only a partisan fool would pretend that the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign weren't involved in inciting violence at Trump rallies.

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*From:* Michael Lux <mlux@progressivestrategies.net>
*Date:* December 17, 2015 at 5:19:29 PM EST
*To:* "Neera Tanden (ntanden@americanprogress.org)" < ntanden@americanprogress.org>
*Subject:* *FW: I want to talk to you about Hillary's campaign tomorrow*
Hey Neera, Just wanted to pass along this note I sent to Bob Creamer, who as you may know is consulting for the DNC and is close to Robby Mook. Wanted to pass it along to you as well, hoping you won’t take offense because I feel some urgency about this. You and Podesta are a great bridge to the DC, more establishment oriented progressive world, but I just feel like the campaign is making a mistake not doing stronger outreach to grassroots/netroots progressives. And while I don’t think it will cause them to lost the primary, I do worry it makes everything tougher in that process, and it makes bringing everyone in (and getting them excited) after Bernie loses that much harder. Am worried and frustrated, so take it with a grain of salt…

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Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, “is close” to Robert Creamer, the high-ranking Democratic party operative who was caught on tape discussing organizing violent protests at Donald Trump rallies.
“Just wanted to pass along this note I sent to Bob Creamer, who as you may know is consulting for the DNC and is close to Robby Mook,” reads a Dec. 17, 2015 email from Michael Lux, the co-founder of the progressive group Democracy Partners, to Neera Tanden, a former Hillary Clinton campaign official.

Tanden forwarded the email to John Podesta, the Clinton campaign chairman whose emails were hacked and have been released by WikiLeaks.
The email further undermines Mook’s claims on CNN last week that Creamer had no relationship with the Clinton campaign.

Creamer resigned from his work with the Democratic National Committee after Project Veritas released undercover video showing the operative and Scott Foval, the national field director for People for the American Way, discussing inciting violence at Trump rallies.
Creamer, who has visited the Obama White House 342 times, was also shown saying that Hillary Clinton personally approved many of his activities.​

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Captain Adverse said:

Hmm, then which prior stings which were proven false is everyone referring to? I mean I found this:

The Shady Anti-Choice Actors Behind The Deceptive Video Accusing Planned Parenthood Of "Selling Aborted Baby Parts"

So it appears (at least according to SNOPES and Mediamatters) that there is some suspicion of a link there with O'Keefe. :shrug:

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Grim17 said:

They did the ACORN videos and were also accused of doctoring those videos... To this very day, not one person on this forum or anywhere else on the net has ever been able to produce one example of those videos being edited or manipulated in such a way, that they misquoted or misrepresented what those people said and advocated for on those videos... I have asked for that proof more times than I can count. The thing that makes that so telling is, that every single one of the full length, unedited ACORN videos was released publicly, so anyone could easily compare the edited versions to the unedited ones. If they had been doctored as claimed by so many here, on the net, and in the media, you would think that somebody, somewhere would have posted the proof on the internet, but it has never happened.

btw, thank you for that video... That is the best (and only) real investigative analysis I've seen of those videos yet. It will be very hard for people to dismiss the evidence presented on it. Unfortunately though, the mainstream media will still ignore them... at least until after the election.

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Grim17 said:

You're almost there... Now if you put everything together that was said by Bob Creamer, Scott Foval, Aaron Black and Zulema Rodriguez, from both the videos and the DNC emails, the picture it paints is clear and unmistakable...

Only a partisan fool would pretend that the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign weren't involved in inciting violence at Trump rallies.

p.s. I'm still waiting for all the fake evidence you claim exists.

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