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Jill Stein: Democrats Govern by Fear—That Alone Should Cost Them Your Vote

Grand Mal said:
If everyone who doesn't like either Trump or Clinton would vote for a third option your whole electoral system would be instantly reformed. A viable third party is what's needed- the lack of one led to this sad situation.
There'll never be a better chance, but time is running out. I don't see a viable third on the horizon, do you?
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No third party will be viable until it has a substantial number of advocates in elected office.

The best thing you can do to support third party candidates is get them elected to state/national offices. Bernie Sanders exemplifies this - he has a lengthy career as a third-party mayor, house representative, and senator.
 
WOW, this Jill Stein sure has a mouth on her.... good to see.

Trump has liberated people to speak truth against power, which can only serve us well.
 
Schism said:
OVERKILL: An avalanche of unnecessary medical care is harming patients physically and financially - America’s Epidemic of Unnecessary Care - The New Yorker
Doctors perform thousands of unnecessary surgeries - Doctors perform thousands of unnecessary surgeries
When Less Is More: Issues Of Overuse In Health Care - https://www.google.com/webhp?source...espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=unnecessary+pharmaceuticals
Misprescribing and Overprescribing of Drugs - Worst Pills
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Is this supposed to prove the effectiveness of homeopathy?

Kinda like saying "Hillary Clinton is a crook!" proves that a five year old porcupine is a good presidential candidate.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
WOW, this Jill Stein sure has a mouth on her.... good to see.

Trump has liberated people to speak truth against power, which can only serve us well.
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Damn, the USA is sure in terrible shape, huh? Is there any hope at all without The Donald? Will the darkness become complete, the shackles locked forever?
 
Henrin said:
Hillary has always been a warmongering idiot. The fact that democrats support her so widely only goes to show that their claim of being anti-interventionism or whatever nonsense they are claiming these days is bull****.
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Don't you know war is OK as long as democrats start it. Then its somehow justified. Poor dumb b*st*rds...
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066456109 said:
Don't you know war is OK as long as democrats start it. Then its somehow justified. Poor dumb b*st*rds...
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Democrats haven't started a full-scale war since LBJ.
 
Grand Mal said:
Damn, the USA is sure in terrible shape, huh? Is there any hope at all without The Donald? Will the darkness become complete, the shackles locked forever?
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America is a disaster, though finally we are starting to get some good conversation about the problem:

Government is incompetent and corrupt

Medical system is super expensive and delivers way too much crap

Justice system is abusive not even bothering to pretend that it has much interest in justice

Primary education system has been turned into an indoctrination system

The university is an indoctrination, babysitting and job training center now, education no longer makes the grade

The military has been completely mismanaged.

The economy has moved to being an oligarchy system, one which does not work for the nation.

We are in massive debt

The infrastructure of the nation is the most decrepit is has been in at least 100 years.

We have a third world passenger rail system.

and so on.
 
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Grand Mal said:
If everyone who doesn't like either Trump or Clinton would vote for a third option your whole electoral system would be instantly reformed. A viable third party is what's needed- the lack of one led to this sad situation.
There'll never be a better chance, but time is running out. I don't see a viable third on the horizon, do you?
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I see the need and desire, as well as a framework in Bernie's campaign, OWS, Greens, sick Dems and Warren progressives to form a new labor party.

Isolate the dems alone as centrists, and let god knows whatever the GOP will become after all this. We need a real left.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
America is a disaster, though finally we are starting to get some good conversation about the problem.
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Just not conversation about any actual solutions.
 
Gaea said:
What do I throw away by voting for Clinton?
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A desire for integrity, honesty, transparency in gov't, peace, jobs, single payer, end of cannabis prohibition, end war on drugs,...need I go on?

Surely you know this by now.
 
Tigerace117 said:
We are, and we should be.
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Well there you go. And do you really believe we invaded some tiny island because we cared about what 2-bit gang ran the conch shell business?
 
Schism said:
Well there you go. And do you really believe we invaded some tiny island because we cared about what 2-bit gang ran the conch shell business?
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And look what happened, no one sounded the alarm then, and look at were we have gotten ourselves too.

We be some very dim witted people.

With deep morality problems.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Who cares, first things first, and progress is progress.
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It's not progress when you tie up an entire election season with ludicrous and harmful "solutions" to these problems, no.
 
Deuce said:
It's not progress when you tie up an entire election season with ludicrous and harmful "solutions" to these problems, no.
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Figuring out which lying incompetent stooge to put in the POTUS chair next in a deeply corrupted non functional Washington DC was never an exercise of much value.

This is the PERFECT time to talk about important matters.

We upgraded.
 
Schism said:
Well there you go. And do you really believe we invaded some tiny island because we cared about what 2-bit gang ran the conch shell business?
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Obviously. Otherwise we wouldn't have invaded.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Figuring out which lying incompetent stooge to put in the POTUS chair next in a deeply corrupted non functional Washington DC was never an exercise of much value.

This is the PERFECT time to talk about important matters.

We upgraded.
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No, we didn't. We've always talked about corruption in politics.
 
Schism said:
I see the need and desire, as well as a framework in Bernie's campaign, OWS, Greens, sick Dems and Warren progressives to form a new labor party.

Isolate the dems alone as centrists, and let god knows whatever the GOP will become after all this. We need a real left.
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Here, Canada, we have a third party called the NDP (New Democratic Party) that gives a home to progressives, socialists, environmentalists (though we do have a Green Party member of parliament) etc. which frees up the Liberal Party for liberals like myself who consider ourselves just on the left of center. The Conservative Party is what and who you'd expect.
Point is, it's the presence of the NDP in Canada that gives some balance to politics. I'd never vote for them and sure wouldn't want to see them in power federally but they're naturals at opposition. If an American third party were to be liberal (Libertarian? I'm not sure what an American liberal looks like) the Democrats would probably become far-left and a lot of more centrist Republicans would probably drift to the third party, too.
Were I American, that's an outcome I'd applaud.
 
Grand Mal said:
Here, Canada, we have a third party called the NDP (New Democratic Party) that gives a home to progressives, socialists, environmentalists (though we do have a Green Party member of parliament) etc. which frees up the Liberal Party for liberals like myself who consider ourselves just on the left of center. The Conservative Party is what and who you'd expect.
Point is, it's the presence of the NDP in Canada that gives some balance to politics. I'd never vote for them and sure wouldn't want to see them in power federally but they're naturals at opposition. If an American third party were to be liberal (Libertarian? I'm not sure what an American liberal looks like) the Democrats would probably become far-left and a lot of more centrist Republicans would probably drift to the third party, too.
Were I American, that's an outcome I'd applaud.
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".....it's the presence of the NDP in Canada that gives some balance to politics."

That is what you would call a very good hammer hitting the proverbial nail on the proverbial head.

Few Americans can grasp the concept, and few Canadians recognize the beauty and balance a third party provides. [Technically they are not a "third" party, but the current holder of 3rd place - their traditional role. In fact we have five recognized parties, Conservative, Liberal, New Democrat, Green,and Parti Quebecois].

What it does is free up your vote. If, say as it was in the early 2000's and we had a choice between the scandal-plagued Liberals and Harper, Jack Layton became very attractive. It was he leading the NDP in Quebec who delivered the first NDP Official opposition and a residence. [Trivia...what is the name of the official residence of the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition"?]
At that time, and four years ago, the NDP was picked to counterbalance one of the most right of center government both socially and economically since before WW2.

The key point is, in a case like this you would have an alternative to two bad candidates. However, it does not change the fact it's winner take all, there is no "second place" that can act as a regulator like Trudeau/Layton did with Harper the last two years.
 
Gaea said:
Democrats haven't started a full-scale war since LBJ.
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They have however joined in conflicts that were not our own more than a few times. Hillary for example did just that while SOS.
 
Grand Mal said:
Here, Canada, we have a third party called the NDP (New Democratic Party) that gives a home to progressives, socialists, environmentalists (though we do have a Green Party member of parliament) etc. which frees up the Liberal Party for liberals like myself who consider ourselves just on the left of center. The Conservative Party is what and who you'd expect.
Point is, it's the presence of the NDP in Canada that gives some balance to politics. I'd never vote for them and sure wouldn't want to see them in power federally but they're naturals at opposition. If an American third party were to be liberal (Libertarian? I'm not sure what an American liberal looks like) the Democrats would probably become far-left and a lot of more centrist Republicans would probably drift to the third party, too.
Were I American, that's an outcome I'd applaud.
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What are the major differences between your party for liberals like yourself in Canada and the democratic party in the US? I'm sure they are more policy differences than ideological differences, but I'm curious none the less.
 
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