'El Chapo’ Judge Gunned Down in Front of his House in Mexico

danielpalos · Oct 22, 2016

haymarket said:
Perhaps you can do more than one line quips explain what the issue of free trade has to do with the issue of government efforts to combat drugs?

Prohibition has never worked in the history of the United States.

Tigerace117 · Oct 22, 2016

danielpalos said:
Prohibition has never worked in the history of the United States.

And legalization didn't even come close to getting rid of the Mob and organized crime. Your point is?

danielpalos · Oct 22, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
And legalization didn't even come close to getting rid of the Mob and organized crime. Your point is?

Why not? Legal commerce no longer needs a black market.

truthatallcost · Oct 22, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
And legalization didn't even come close to getting rid of the Mob and organized crime. Your point is?

Prohibiton was what catapulted the Mob into being so powerful, as it increased their profits exponentially.

What would cartels do if prohibition ended in the US?

Tigerace117 · Oct 22, 2016

danielpalos said:
Why not? Legal commerce no longer needs a black market.

Why not? Let's see. Your dealing with people for whom extreme violence is the first, last, and most favored option. Do you really think they'll let themselves lose money should drugs be legalized?

Hell no. First thing they'll do is try and take over as much of the small time operators as they can. A crook is still a crook even if his business suddenly becomes legitimate.

Tigerace117 · Oct 22, 2016

truthatallcost said:
Prohibiton was what catapulted the Mob into being so powerful, as it increased their profits exponentially.

What would cartels do if prohibition ended in the US?

Continue whacking people in extremely bloody and public ways to terrify the minor dealers into continued submission.

Watch the money continue to roll in.

Expand, becoming even harder to take down.

truthatallcost · Oct 22, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
Continue whacking people in extremely bloody and public ways to terrify the minor dealers into continued submission.

Watch the money continue to roll in.

Expand, becoming even harder to take down.

Actually, cartels have other revenue streams in the US, like prostitution and immigrant smuggling.

Still, if cartels lost their drug sales, they would lose most of their power.

danielpalos · Oct 22, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
Why not? Let's see. Your dealing with people for whom extreme violence is the first, last, and most favored option. Do you really think they'll let themselves lose money should drugs be legalized?

Hell no. First thing they'll do is try and take over as much of the small time operators as they can. A crook is still a crook even if his business suddenly becomes legitimate.

just clueless and Causeless; i got it.

Black markets are simply riskier; that is all.

Tigerace117 · Oct 22, 2016

truthatallcost said:
Actually, cartels have other revenue streams in the US, like prostitution and immigrant smuggling.

Still, if cartels lost their drug sales, they would lose most of their power.

That's......extremely unlikely. Especially since they already have other revenue streams.

And how exactly would cartels magically lose their power from legalization? It's not like they would suddenly become pacifists, or lie down and accept that they were losing money in the drug trade

Tigerace117 · Oct 22, 2016

danielpalos said:
just clueless and Causeless; i got it.

Black markets are simply riskier; that is all.

This response makes absolutely no sense. Of course black markets are risky. That doesn't tell me how legalization is supposed to magically disempower the cartels.

truthatallcost · Oct 22, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
That's......extremely unlikely. Especially since they already have other revenue streams.

They would lose most of their profits if they couldn't smuggle drugs, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Prostitution and immigrant smuggling isn't even close to producing the kinds of profit that drugs do.

And how exactly would cartels magically lose their power from legalization? It's not like they would suddenly become pacifists, or lie down and accept that they were losing money in the drug trade

The same way they've lost profits from the legalization of weed in several states;
U.S. Legalization of Marijuana Has Hit Mexican Cartels' Border Trade

danielpalos · Oct 22, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
This response makes absolutely no sense. Of course black markets are risky. That doesn't tell me how legalization is supposed to magically disempower the cartels.

cost.

Tigerace117 · Oct 22, 2016

truthatallcost said:
They would lose most of their profits if they couldn't smuggle drugs, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Prostitution and immigrant smuggling isn't even close to producing the kinds of profit that drugs do.

The same way they've lost profits from the legalization of weed in several states;
U.S. Legalization of Marijuana Has Hit Mexican Cartels' Border Trade

Your own article points out that nobody knows what effects it'll have in the long run.

Not to mention the drop in homicides can't be conclusively linked to legalization.

truthatallcost · Oct 22, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
Your own article points out that nobody knows what effects it'll have in the long run.

Not to mention the drop in homicides can't be conclusively linked to legalization.

"Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90," a Mexican marijuana grower told NPR news in December 2014. "But now they're paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It's a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they'll run us into the ground."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-is-finally-doing-what-the-drug-war-couldnt/

If California legalizes rec weed (and we all know they will) on November 8, the cartels will probably stop dealing in weed altogether.

They are moving into more dangerous drugs to recoup the loss of pesos, and are selling straight up poison like fentanyl. Read about the epidemic of fentanyl deaths in the US & Canada hombre.

Legalization of all drugs would mean less bad drugs like fentanyl, and better quality that would kill fewer people.

Thoreau72 · Oct 23, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
This response makes absolutely no sense. Of course black markets are risky. That doesn't tell me how legalization is supposed to magically disempower the cartels.

Yes, you need to be told things, suggesting your ability to figure them out on your own is not too strong.

To understand how prohibition creates criminal syndicates, and to understand the dynamics of prohibition, you might consider reading an excellent book about it, published before you were born, in 1991 by University of Utah Press. Mark Thornton is the author, and at the time was an economics professor at Auburn University.

The book is entitled "The Economics of Prohibition". Were you to read it, you would understand the lessons of history as demonstrated in the US experience with the Volstead Act in the last century. Without prohibition laws, the criminal element cannot become filthy rich.

Tigerace117 · Oct 23, 2016

Thoreau72 said:
Yes, you need to be told things, suggesting your ability to figure them out on your own is not too strong.

To understand how prohibition creates criminal syndicates, and to understand the dynamics of prohibition, you might consider reading an excellent book about it, published before you were born, in 1991 by University of Utah Press. Mark Thornton is the author, and at the time was an economics professor at Auburn University.

The book is entitled "The Economics of Prohibition". Were you to read it, you would understand the lessons of history as demonstrated in the US experience with the Volstead Act in the last century. Without prohibition laws, the criminal element cannot become filthy rich.

Unfortunately for people like you, I'm not gullible enough to believe every single conspiracy theory I come across.

Does this book claim that legalization will suddenly magically make the cartels dry and blow away like the Mob did(n't)?

Thoreau72 · Oct 23, 2016

Tigerace117 said:
Unfortunately for people like you, I'm not gullible enough to believe every single conspiracy theory I come across.

Does this book claim that legalization will suddenly magically make the cartels dry and blow away like the Mob did(n't)?

I'll never tell.....

badger2 · Oct 25, 2016

Another reason why the Clinton mafia is in trouble like a juvenile delinquent is the Mexican Kickapoo link to Temperance, Michigan's Bedford Heroin Rally. The local High School's mascot should actually be "The Kicking Caribous." That is also the Indigene link further north at Detroit: closest cocaine links to Kayla Berg disappearance would at first sight appear to be Alfredo Hererra and John Hunter, though the real cocaine source link, by most anyone's estimation is Michael Dockry, U.S. Forest Service, Menominee Reservation. The Chinese tree-eating beetle deliberately introduced to Detroit, thus links to Bolivia, the cocaine source.

Furthermore, the colonization of Sinaloa started much like Jimmy Carter's Georgia rhizome: in both places, there was little human population, and the Catholic church made swift use of it. Thus, the Trump-Pence alignment will certainly come into play in the coming weeks and months. Suggested reading: Morgan, Reaper's Line: Life and Death on the U.S.-Mexican Border.

'El Chapo’ Judge Gunned Down in Front of his House in Mexico

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