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Sodomized Guantánamo captive recovering after surgery

Mason66 said:
It says it happened before he was transferred to Guantanamo.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_al-Hawsawi

Al-Hawsawi was captured in Pakistan on March 1, 2003, along with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and transferred to CIA custody. It detained him at the Salt Pit, a secret black site in Afghanistan. It was reported in August 2010 that, after months of interrogation, the CIA transferred al-Hawsawi and three other high-value detainees to Guantanamo Bay detention camp on September 24, 2003 for indefinite detention. Fearing that Rasul v. Bush, a pending Supreme Court case about detainees' habeas corpus rights, might result in having to provide the men with access to counsel, the CIA took back custody on March 27, 2004, and transported the four men to one of their black sites.[2]
It has long been known that, during al-Hawsawi's CIA captivity, his captors injured him, causing him to suffer from anal fissures, chronic hemorrhoids and, most seriously, symptomatic rectal prolapse.[3] When the United States Senate Intelligence Committee published a 600 page unclassified summary of it 6,000 page report on the CIA's use of torture the world learned that the CIA routinely punished its captives by sodomizing them, claiming the sodomy was the long abandoned medical technique of rectal feeding.[4]
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TurtleDude said:
Have you ever dealt with violent criminals or enemy jihadists?
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ah, let me guess you are an "expert" in dealing with violent criminals and enemy jihadists

thereby saying what they did was fine by you

well let me tell you, you do not get to set the moral compass for our society
 
_Sal said:
ah, let me guess you are an "expert" in dealing with violent criminals and enemy jihadists

thereby saying what they did was fine by you

well let me tell you, you do not get to set the moral compass for our society
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Just violent criminals. My nephew-who had three combat tours-two in Iraq as an officer in the Rangers and one in Afghanistan as the head of a Green Beret A camp-has the experience with jihadists. violent criminals and jihadist terrorists are pretty similar. so is how to deal with them
 
_Sal said:
it is befuddling that some are quick to call others animals unworthy of life and so quick to endorse we drop to the same level...apparently for survival or something
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So how would you handle ISIS , for example?

I doubt that many of those who wish to do the rest of the world harm can be reformed. I also doubt the world would ever have enough prisons to hold all of those who wish to do the rest of the world harm. I doubt if you gave ISIS a chunk of land to call their own, they would stay within those boundaries.
 
mike2810 said:
So how would you handle ISIS , for example?

I doubt that many of those who wish to do the rest of the world harm can be reformed. I also doubt the world would ever have enough prisons to hold all of those who wish to do the rest of the world harm. I doubt if you gave ISIS a chunk of land to call their own, they would stay within those boundaries.
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I do not endorse the sodomizing of prisoners...period

so far the difference between us and them is, he had reconstructive surgery, and that is a marked difference

just because I don't condone sodomizing a prisoner doesn't mean I do not see the need for a better defense than we currently have
 
Schism said:
How the CIA tortured its detainees - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-torture-methods-waterboarding-sleep-deprivation

Mapping the Black Sites - FRONTLINE/World Extraordinary Rendition: Mapping the Black Sites | PBS
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Those are well known reports and seeing it carries Feinstein's handwriting, if that is all there was, it certainly is embarrassing and each incident must be punished if criminal, but in no way was there anything approaching systemic torture in any real sense of the word.
Harping on it makes sense for propagandists that want to blur the lines between real torture and severe interrogation. RT does this as an extension of Putin’s non linear war effort. It falls on fertile minds of malcontents of some persuasions. And as it is too complicated to quickly explain, many politicians and bureaucrats prefer mouthing along rather than risk being bad mouthed. But we should get over the whining and face it that we are not very realistic in these things.
 
TurtleDude said:
Just violent criminals. My nephew-who had three combat tours-two in Iraq as an officer in the Rangers and one in Afghanistan as the head of a Green Beret A camp-has the experience with jihadists. violent criminals and jihadist terrorists are pretty similar. so is how to deal with them
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so are you saying that the sodomizing of violent criminals is fine

what about the "expert studies that conclude that torture does not produce answers"

are those experts wrong?
 
mike2810 said:
Agreed.
Should the alleged accomplice to 9/11 attack also be ashamed for what they did?
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I think it might be more appropriate to point out that a rectal search is not sodomy and is only one of the lies Putin’s friends are sowing to demoralise the less differentiating parts of our populations.
 
_Sal said:
I do not endorse the sodomizing of prisoners...period

so far the difference between us and them is, he had reconstructive surgery, and that is a marked difference

just because I don't condone sodomizing a prisoner doesn't mean I do not see the need for a better defense than we currently have
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I don't condone it either.
 
_Sal said:
so are you saying that the sodomizing of violent criminals is fine

what about the "expert studies that conclude that torture does not produce answers"

are those experts wrong?
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As far as the articles go, there doesn't seem to have been any sodomy involved.

As to the experts statements, I am not at all convinced. There were studies done in the 1960 that seemed to show conclusively that there was a definite positive correlation between the methods employed in interrogation and the information received. These were done by an ally and rather believable. The people I talked with about these things in the business seemed pretty convinced that most could not hold back information under intense and professional interrogation.
 
joG said:
As far as the articles go, there doesn't seem to have been any sodomy involved.

As to the experts statements, I am not at all convinced. There were studies done in the 1960 that seemed to show conclusively that there was a definite positive correlation between the methods employed in interrogation and the information received. These were done by an ally and rather believable. The people I talked with about these things in the business seemed pretty convinced that most could not hold back information under intense and professional interrogation.
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but what is professional interrogation?

is it individuals with an intense understanding of the psychology of extracting information

or some neanderthal electrocuting and water boarding someone

because the later has shown that people will say anything to make the torture stop

that is how we also end up with innocent people confessing to crimes they never committed, nothing is gained, but much is lost
 
RetiredUSN said:
I hope it hurt like hell, and he may never have another comfortable bowel movement.
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Tigerace117 said:
Oh boo ****ing hoo. It would be one thing if this guy was innocent, but he's clearly guilty, so....

Why should I give a damn what somebody who orchestrated the murder or attempted murder of innocent Americans has done to him.
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Is that what America stands for now?
 
Schism said:
Human rights are now "pampering"?
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You reap what you sow, as this guy learned. If he wanted to have a comfortable life he shouldn't have tried to help murder innocents.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You reap what you sow
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It's not legal, ethical, or moral to rape, torture, sodomize, or murder anyone.
We're not barbarians but we're acting like it; some are even condoning human rights violations.
 
Schism said:
It's not legal, ethical, or moral to rape, torture, sodomize, or murder anyone.
We're not barbarians but we're acting like it; some are even condoning human rights violations.
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That's interesting. You should tell that to the guys we're fighting, I don't think they got the memo.
 
Tigerace117 said:
That's interesting. You should tell that to the guys we're fighting, I don't think they got the memo.
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Obviously you're advocating a tit-for-tat, eye for an eye mentality and approach; which coincidentally aligns with ISIS ideology.
 
Schism said:
Obviously you're advocating a tit-for-tat, eye for an eye mentality and approach; which coincidentally aligns with ISIS ideology.
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Uh.....no, not really.

ISIS is willing to murder innocent people.

This guy isn't innocent by anybody's definition.

Two very different things.
 
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