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Trump: ISIS Will ‘Take Over This Country’ If Hillary Clinton Wins

Tanngrisnir said:
I just did. Clearly it went over your head.

You're projecting your own fantasies about destroying ISIS onto a reality that they can't be reconciled with.
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Nothing went over my head. Your posts say nothing.
 
Somerville said:
A few days ago, the actor Carrie Fisher, who was once addicted to cocaine so she called herself an "expert" on the matter, said that Trump's sniffles during the first and second debates were a positive sign that he was doing coke. Remember that Howard Dean, who is a medical doctor also stated he thought the sniffing was an indicator of cocaine use. Today, Carrie has seemingly changed her mind on the subject and says it is more likely the sniffing is the result of Trump being nervous while attempting to answer Hillary. Who knows?
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I may find a lot of things reprehensible about Donald Trump, but I don't actually believe is on drugs, he just sounds like he is.

The man just will say whatever comes to mind, regardless of a total disconnect with reality.
 
Somerville said:
This is yet another example of the delusional Orange Cheeto babbling before his minions who for some reason refuse to accept reality
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It's just fascinating at this point because his strategy (and not a very good one) is just to spout ridiculous **** and hope it sticks. The guy is unchained alright and he is now proving what a lunatic he is. I almost want to feel sorry for the Republican party, but they are the one that allowed him to be their nominee.
 
Peter King said:
I may find a lot of things reprehensible about Donald Trump, but I don't actually believe is on drugs, he just sounds like he is.

The man just will say whatever comes to mind, regardless of a total disconnect with reality.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was drugs, at least that would be an excuse, rather than he is just a raving lunatic with diarrhea of the mouth all on his own.
 
Trump said at a rally yesterday if he loses running for president will be the biggest mistake of his life. I see it opposite, running is his biggest mistake, win or lose.
 
The rational in America have a problem with the most devout of Trump's supporters

Donald Trump’s conspiracy theories are making his supporters paranoid—and dangerous

At an Oct. 11 rally in Newton, Iowa, Mike Pence was confronted by a call for revolution.
“. . . for me personally, if Hillary Clinton gets in, I’m ready for a revolution because we can’t have her in.”

“Don’t say that,” Pence said quickly, his hand wavering, his eyes on the floor.

“But I’m saying it. I’m like Trump!” Rhonda replied.

This is not the first time Trump fans have threatened to take action if their candidate loses in November. Such threats date back to the primaries, when some Trump supporters began telling reporters that they would take up arms and form militias should their racist, sexist hero face defeat. The calls continued into the general election, when they were echoed by Trump advisors like Roger Stone, who proclaimed that there would be a “bloodbath” if Trump loses. On August 1, following a crash in the polls, Trump himself proclaimed that the election was rigged, a claim he has repeated constantly since.
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Despite their macho antics, it seems that paranoia, fear of those 'others' is driving too many Trumpites into favouring armed revolution when Trump loses. Simply because they know the system is rigged against them.
What distinguishes Trump from his similarly paranoid predecessors, however, is the changing demography of the United States. As the country becomes less white, an incredible demographic gap has opened up between Trump supporters and everyone else in the US. White men are the only demographic category in which Trump still leads.
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coldjoint said:
Just for grins, that is the object of the Caliphate. Mohammad called for war until Islam dominates the world. If you do not believe they are serious, you are just plain dumb.

Also they will take advantage of whatever they can to achieve that goal. Hillary is bought and paid for, and will do no more than Obama and ISIS will expand.
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If you go by the numbers, Islam is going to take over the world by killing Muslims.
 
bluesmoke said:
If you go by the numbers, Islam is going to take over the world by killing Muslims.
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Whatever works. Islamists will kill anyone in their way. Glad to see you have figured that out.
 
coldjoint said:
Whatever works. Islamists will kill anyone in their way. Glad to see you have figured that out.
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Don't say "Islamists" when your signature proves you think this is all Muslims.
 
Deuce said:
Don't say "Islamists" when your signature proves you think this is all Muslims.
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It proves no such thing. Terror comes from the Muslim(faith, Islam) world as sure as capitalism comes from the West. There is no denying that. And that is all it says.
 
coldjoint said:
Whatever works. Islamists will kill anyone in their way. Glad to see you have figured that out.
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You didn't get the logic, did you? Because your reply does not recognize that logic. How can it be logically said that Islam desires to conquer the world in order to spread Islam when so many Islamists disagree so much as to be in harm's way? That's like saying conservatives want to elect Trump but not enough conservatives agree to make for a substantially supportive majority.
 
bluesmoke said:
You didn't get the logic, did you? Because your reply does not recognize that logic. How can it be logically said that Islam desires to conquer the world in order to spread Islam when so many Islamists disagree so much as to be in harm's way? That's like saying conservatives want to elect Trump but not enough conservatives agree to make for a substantially supportive majority.
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Check your Koran. I say because that is what Mohammad said Muslims must do. It is a simple undeniable fact.
 
Somerville said:
This is yet another example of the delusional Orange Cheeto babbling before his minions who for some reason refuse to accept reality
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Yeah, that was a pretty stupid thing to say. No basis in reality. At all.
 
Patriotism is as obscolete as pac-man.

Why die defending people who have deathwish or lost the instict of selfpreservation?
 
coldjoint said:
Check your Koran. I say because that is what Mohammad said Muslims must do. It is a simple undeniable fact.
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You're the one that is making the claim. It's up to you to back up your own words. Reference where in the Quran it supports what you claim. If you can't, you're coming from a place of ignorance to instead direct me to read the Quran to find out something that I say isn't there.
 
bluesmoke said:
You're the one that is making the claim. It's up to you to back up your own words. Reference where in the Quran it supports what you claim. If you can't, you're coming from a place of ignorance to instead direct me to read the Quran to find out something that I say isn't there.
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Here you go.
The Quran's Verses of Violence

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
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The link has the verses.
 
coldjoint said:
Here you go.
The Quran's Verses of Violence



The link has the verses.
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Thanks for your copy paste. Let's take a look at a few:

Quran (2:191-193)

“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers”

“But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

“And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.”

I’ve dealt with these verses before. Muhammad was asked by a delegation from Medina to be chief arbitrator. They’d had several hundred years of slaughtering each other over disputes. He escaped a murder attempt in Mecca and went to Medina where he wrote a constitution for the citizens to follow. Meccans were persecuting Muslims so Muslims fought back with Muhammad leading them, in accordance with the constitution. Muhammad used this verse to religiously justify to the Muslims taking up offense against the Meccans for their persecution of Muslims. The Meccans were persecutors, unbelievers or not, taking homes away from Muslim immigrants.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Let’s put your out of context verse in context to see that the fight was meant to be against oppression:

2:243 Have you not considered those who left their homes in many thousands, fearing death? God said to them, “Die”; then He restored them to life. And God is full of bounty to the people, but most of the people do not show gratitude.

2:244 And fight in the cause of God and know that God is Hearing and Knowing.

2:245 Who is it that would loan God a goodly loan so He may multiply it for him many times over? And it is God who withholds and grants abundance, and to Him you will be returned.

2:246 Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after [the time of] Moses when they said to a prophet of theirs, “Send to us a king, and we will fight in the way of God”? He said, “Would you perhaps refrain from fighting if fighting was prescribed for you?” They said, “And why should we not fight in the cause of God when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children?” But when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned away, except for a few of them. And God is Knowing of the wrongdoers.

Even without the context, a very weak example of your claim.

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

The fighting that is mentioned in the above verse is not against innocents, but against those who oppress innocent men, women and children. As the next verse shows:

2:217 They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from God’s way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with God, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever– these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter…

I’ve refuted the first three of your Quran accusations. I’m not going on dealing with the rest based on the established trend that shows how wrong you are.
 
bluesmoke said:
Thanks for your copy paste. Let's take a look at a few:

Quran (2:191-193)

“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers”

“But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

“And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.”

I’ve dealt with these verses before. Muhammad was asked by a delegation from Medina to be chief arbitrator. They’d had several hundred years of slaughtering each other over disputes. He escaped a murder attempt in Mecca and went to Medina where he wrote a constitution for the citizens to follow. Meccans were persecuting Muslims so Muslims fought back with Muhammad leading them, in accordance with the constitution. Muhammad used this verse to religiously justify to the Muslims taking up offense against the Meccans for their persecution of Muslims. The Meccans were persecutors, unbelievers or not, taking homes away from Muslim immigrants.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Let’s put your out of context verse in context to see that the fight was meant to be against oppression:

2:243 Have you not considered those who left their homes in many thousands, fearing death? God said to them, “Die”; then He restored them to life. And God is full of bounty to the people, but most of the people do not show gratitude.

2:244 And fight in the cause of God and know that God is Hearing and Knowing.

2:245 Who is it that would loan God a goodly loan so He may multiply it for him many times over? And it is God who withholds and grants abundance, and to Him you will be returned.

2:246 Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after [the time of] Moses when they said to a prophet of theirs, “Send to us a king, and we will fight in the way of God”? He said, “Would you perhaps refrain from fighting if fighting was prescribed for you?” They said, “And why should we not fight in the cause of God when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children?” But when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned away, except for a few of them. And God is Knowing of the wrongdoers.

Even without the context, a very weak example of your claim.

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

The fighting that is mentioned in the above verse is not against innocents, but against those who oppress innocent men, women and children. As the next verse shows:

2:217 They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from God’s way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with God, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever– these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter…

I’ve refuted the first three of your Quran accusations. I’m not going on dealing with the rest based on the established trend that shows how wrong you are.
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You have refuted nothing. There is no context in the Koran. It is very poorly written. The Hadith puts the Koran in context.

And your last verse is abrogated. So you have proven absolutely 0.

Not to mention stacks of dead bodies around the world.
 
coldjoint said:
You have refuted nothing. There is no context in the Koran. It is very poorly written. The Hadith puts the Koran in context.

And your last verse is abrogated. So you have proven absolutely 0.

Not to mention stacks of dead bodies around the world.
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“You have refuted nothing. There is no context in the Koran. It is very poorly written. The Hadith puts the Koran in context.”

I’m merely showing that you have established nothing. Your first statement attempted to establish a context that was untrue, which I proved wrong.

Of course there is context in the Quran. I showed context to prove you wrong in each of the first three examples you gave. Context is the before and after that gives meaning to what is said. That’s what I gave to show how wrong you are.

How can you say the Quran is poorly written when you presented the writings you did as the literal holy words of Allah? You’re not the theological scholar to critique how well written the Quran is. It was written well enough for you to understand what was said out of context. And for me to give you what was meant in context.

The Hadith does not put the Quran in context. It interprets the actions and life example of Muhammad as the way Muslims should live their lives and as a guide for Islamic law. The Quran is the word of God and the religious light of Islam. Muhammad stated specifically to not mix the two.

“And your last verse is abrogated. So you have proven absolutely 0.”

You made a claim and gave a copy-paste of someone else’s work of 109 examples that you say is evidence proving that the Quran wages unwarranted violence. I refuted the first three of those. If you think it’s an abrogation for me to not continue on with the remaining 106, that would be inane, not an abrogation.

“Not to mention stacks of dead bodies around the world.”

I’ll say. About 10,000,000 Muslims since 1948 in the ME alone, and still counting. Can you say how many non-Muslims have been “stacked”, as you put it, in just the ME?
 
bluesmoke said:
“You have refuted nothing. There is no context in the Koran. It is very poorly written. The Hadith puts the Koran in context.”

I’m merely showing that you have established nothing. Your first statement attempted to establish a context that was untrue, which I proved wrong.

Of course there is context in the Quran. I showed context to prove you wrong in each of the first three examples you gave. Context is the before and after that gives meaning to what is said. That’s what I gave to show how wrong you are.

How can you say the Quran is poorly written when you presented the writings you did as the literal holy words of Allah? You’re not the theological scholar to critique how well written the Quran is. It was written well enough for you to understand what was said out of context. And for me to give you what was meant in context.

The Hadith does not put the Quran in context. It interprets the actions and life example of Muhammad as the way Muslims should live their lives and as a guide for Islamic law. The Quran is the word of God and the religious light of Islam. Muhammad stated specifically to not mix the two.

“And your last verse is abrogated. So you have proven absolutely 0.”

You made a claim and gave a copy-paste of someone else’s work of 109 examples that you say is evidence proving that the Quran wages unwarranted violence. I refuted the first three of those. If you think it’s an abrogation for me to not continue on with the remaining 106, that would be inane, not an abrogation.

“Not to mention stacks of dead bodies around the world.”

I’ll say. About 10,000,000 Muslims since 1948 in the ME alone, and still counting. Can you say how many non-Muslims have been “stacked”, as you put it, in just the ME?
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I can say the Koran is poorly written because it is. The second bolded defeats your apology because to live like Mohammad means you terrorize, you murder, you rape, and you molest children. Truly a wonderful example, And your 10 million Muslims, the majority of those were killed by other Muslims.
 
coldjoint said:
I can say the Koran is poorly written because it is. The second bolded defeats your apology because to live like Mohammad means you terrorize, you murder, you rape, and you molest children. Truly a wonderful example, And your 10 million Muslims, the majority of those were killed by other Muslims.
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You're the one with the suicide-cat avatar :shrug:
 
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