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The Left " Cosnpires to Produce a Compliant and Unaware Citizenry "

I just read it very carefully. Here it is...

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Seems pretty clear to me that when he says "we've all" he means everyone in politics, everyone in government in general. The concern is that Trump has figured out a way to tap into that by using his celebrity status as an entertainer and Hillary does not have that same quality.

Seems like a pretty alarming revelation of a suspicion long held by many on both sides of the aisle... the powers that be want us and COUNT ON us being stupid.
 
zimmer said:
It is Bill Ivey to John Podesta. And it's what we all knew. Demokrats have conspired to create a largely ignorant base.

Our education system, news and entertainment media are all complicit in this goal, and have been for 50-years.



They admit the Demokrat base is largely a bunch of political and civic illiterates, and it is of their doing.

This is why Hillary cannot fight on issues, and rests her hopes on personal destruction.

She has, like Obama... been an utter failure, they know it, and lament they can't control the dumb sheep like they once used to.
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You know, I want to agree with you. But I have a lot of friends that are Democrats.

And no, they are not "dumb sheep" "political illiterates" or "civic illiterates"

.....okay, maybe political illiterates, but not the other two.
 
A vote for either Trump or Clinton is a win for those who want a 'compliant and unaware citizenry'. While voting for lesser evils, we'll always have evil. This entire election cycle has been built upon distractions manufactured to distract from previously manufactured distractions.

The rich have already won.
 
Schism said:
A vote for either Trump or Clinton is a win for those who want a 'compliant and unaware citizenry'. While voting for lesser evils, we'll always have evil. This entire election cycle has been built upon distractions manufactured to distract from previously manufactured distractions.

The rich have already won.
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Yep, the rich win either way. We rich know that, It think Trump will be better for the upper middle class and hard working middle class. But for the filthy rich, Clinton's probably the best choice.
 
zimmer said:
It is Bill Ivey to John Podesta. And it's what we all knew. Demokrats have conspired to create a largely ignorant base.

Our education system, news and entertainment media are all complicit in this goal, and have been for 50-years.



They admit the Demokrat base is largely a bunch of political and civic illiterates, and it is of their doing.

This is why Hillary cannot fight on issues, and rests her hopes on personal destruction.

She has, like Obama... been an utter failure, they know it, and lament they can't control the dumb sheep like they once used to.
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I agree, but even in the days before Trump the GOP was not exactly the party of enlightenment.

Dumbing down the masses has been the agenda of both parties for decades at least. Deception and manipulation of the public perception is bipartisan and ongoing for a long time.
 
Chomsky said:
I've read the quoted material in the entire paragraph in context, and I don't get the meaning implied in the article's title at all!

Podesta seems to be decrying the lack of public awareness, claiming Clinton is appealing to issues oriented voters, whereas Trump is entertaining his voters with material lacking in content - much to his voters' content!

Quite honestly, the Clinton campaign seems to be lamenting the voters' lacking in desire for issue oriented content! Just the opposite of that implied in the article's title!
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Podesta is praising the lack of public awareness. Public awareness would destroy the Democrat party.
 
Fenton said:
Threads not about infowars, its about the contents of a leaked email from Bill Ivey to John Podesta. Comment on the topic or buzz off and spam somewhere else
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599

" And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging."
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If you can't read that and understand that the "unaware and compliant citizenry" is a societal problem and not a 'votes usually democratic' problem, you're among the unaware and compliant. Give me a break. There are a very few but large issues that really, really matter to the elites and the two parties have mostly agreed on those except around the margins since forever. And all the heat is on a bunch of other issues that while on the margins do affect a lot of people but aren't issues the powerful actually care about much if at all - things like abortion, gay marriage, family leave, etc.

What's obvious both with Bernie and with Trump is there are a lot of people who have 'woken up' if that's the right term and see that the neoliberal economics agreed on across the board since at least Reagan and probably before has failed them, and we clearly saw in the primaries it wasn't enough for the candidates to talk about "liberal" or "conservative" hot button issues but not address the core assumptions of our economic system.
 
apdst said:
Podesta is praising the lack of public awareness. Public awareness would destroy the Democrat party.
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LMMFAO that you can say that without a hint of irony.
 
JasperL said:
LMMFAO that you can say that without a hint of irony.
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How does it feel to vote for a birther?

Did you know that the, "Obama is a Muslim", thing started with the Clinton campaign?
 
apdst said:
How does it feel to vote for a birther?

Did you know that the, "Obama is a Muslim", thing started with the Clinton campaign?
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That's a decent example of what I'm talking about actually. OK, let's assume Clinton's campaign started all that. OK, so why do you think the GOP ran with it for YEARS after Obama was elected? To keep you informed of real issues and have you pick your candidates on real issues? You have to be kidding.
 
JasperL said:
That's a decent example of what I'm talking about actually. OK, let's assume Clinton's campaign started all that. OK, so why do you think the GOP ran with it for YEARS after Obama was elected? To keep you informed of real issues and have you pick your candidates on real issues? You have to be kidding.
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Who started it?

Who did Jonathon Gruber work for? Remember when called American voters stupid?

Clinton said there's no way that Jordan can vet syrian refugees and it's a security risk to them, but she wants to bring 65,000 refugees, mostly unvetted, into the United States.
 
apdst said:
Who started it?

Who did Jonathon Gruber work for? Remember when called American voters stupid?

Clinton said there's no way that Jordan can vet syrian refugees and it's a security risk to them, but she wants to bring 65,000 refugees, mostly unvetted, into the United States.
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I'll just end it here - if you don't see the right wing propaganda machine doing the same thing but to a different group of voters, you're not paying attention or are part of the group they were talking about.

The point isn't who 'started it.' I'm not claiming the Democrats are innocent here - just the opposite. What I'm pointing out is if you think the birther stuff is BS concocted to distract the citizenry from important issues and have them step in line to support their side based on irrelevant crap they create to divide the public, but that doesn't matter to ANYTHING, then you have to acknowledge the YEARS that the right wing spent pushing that stupid meme.

Why do you think that happened? Do you think anyone with any actual power doubted Obama's birthplace? HELL NO! And they wouldn't care AT ALL if he was born in Kenya.
 
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JasperL said:
If you can't read that and understand that the "unaware and compliant citizenry" is a societal problem and not a 'votes usually democratic' problem, you're among the unaware and compliant. Give me a break. There are a very few but large issues that really, really matter to the elites and the two parties have mostly agreed on those except around the margins since forever. And all the heat is on a bunch of other issues that while on the margins do affect a lot of people but aren't issues the powerful actually care about much if at all - things like abortion, gay marriage, family leave, etc.

What's obvious both with Bernie and with Trump is there are a lot of people who have 'woken up' if that's the right term and see that the neoliberal economics agreed on across the board since at least Reagan and probably before has failed them, and we clearly saw in the primaries it wasn't enough for the candidates to talk about "liberal" or "conservative" hot button issues but not address the core assumptions of our economic system.
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Is the Email refering to the lack of public awareness as a good thing or a bad thing as far as Clintons campaign is concerned ??
 
JasperL said:
What's obvious both with Bernie and with Trump is there are a lot of people who have 'woken up' if that's the right term and see that the neoliberal economics agreed on across the board since at least Reagan and probably before has failed them, and we clearly saw in the primaries it wasn't enough for the candidates to talk about "liberal" or "conservative" hot button issues but not address the core assumptions of our economic system.
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Boy, you sure hit the nail on the head there. I would even go further and say that to those who think "term limits" are a solution are not understanding the fact that the electoral system we have in place that produces the fat-cat politicians needs reform. Otherwise, it's just a parade of the same stuff and people.
 
JasperL said:
I'll just end it here - if you don't see the right wing propaganda machine doing the same thing but to a different group of voters, you're not paying attention or are part of the group they were talking about.

The point isn't who 'started it.' I'm not claiming the Democrats are innocent here - just the opposite. What I'm pointing out is if you think the birther stuff is BS concocted to distract the citizenry from important issues and have them step in line to support their side based on irrelevant crap they create to divide the public, but that doesn't matter to ANYTHING, then you have to acknowledge the YEARS that the right wing spent pushing that stupid meme.

Why do you think that happened? Do you think anyone with any actual power doubted Obama's birthplace? HELL NO! And they wouldn't care AT ALL if he was born in Kenya.
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I noticed you dodged the hell out the rest of my post.

I bet you still believe The United States created the Taliban.

Obama gave us the worst GDP in history.
 
The Left " Cosnpires to Produce a Compliant and Unaware Citizenry "
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While the right conspires to produce typos.
 
apdst said:
Obama gave us the worst GDP in history.
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No he didn't. Obama's GDP growth is equal to that of Bush. The difference is that Obama's created 9 million net private sector jobs while Bush lost 460,000.
 
apdst said:
I bet you still believe The United States created the Taliban.
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We didn't create the Taliban per se, but we sure as hell armed and trained the people who would eventually become the Taliban.
 
Incisor said:
So long as we continue to have for-profit private insurance in this country, this will always be an issue.
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So...how are things working at the VA? That is a not-for-profit system.

You do know Obama lied when he said he fired a bunch of people?
 
Fenton said:
Is the Email refering to the lack of public awareness as a good thing or a bad thing as far as Clintons campaign is concerned ??
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The elites want us all to be unaware and/or misinformed.

As long as the rich keep us arguing over who grabbed p**** vs. who slut-shamed grabbed p****, and which is more evil?
It's a useful distraction from them grabbing land, oil, and resources while threatening anyone who opposes it.
 
Fenton said:
Is the Email refering to the lack of public awareness as a good thing or a bad thing as far as Clintons campaign is concerned ??
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First of all, it didn't come from the campaign.

Second, I'll quote Jack Fabulous:

Seems pretty clear to me that when he says "we've all" he means everyone in politics, everyone in government in general. The concern is that Trump has figured out a way to tap into that by using his celebrity status as an entertainer and Hillary does not have that same quality.

Seems like a pretty alarming revelation of a suspicion long held by many on both sides of the aisle... the powers that be want us and COUNT ON us being stupid.
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I don't have much to add to that along with my earlier comment you just quoted.
 
Incisor said:
We didn't create the Taliban per se, but we sure as hell armed and trained the people who would eventually become the Taliban.
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We didn't create the Taliban, period. And no, the people we armed didn't become the Taliban. The people we armed went to war against the Taliban, after the Russo-Afghan war ended.

This is what I'm talking about. An informed populace would destroy the Democrats.
 
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