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Yes, Donald Trump can still be stripped of the Nomination

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"Can still be" and will be are two very different things.

At this point we are talking about which mess Republicans want to go with. Mess one, removing Trump from the ticket. Mess two, not removing Trump from the ticket.

Odds are what will really happen is the party will form up behind whatever it takes to hold Congress. If the 115th stays Republican, then neither Trump or Hillary can do much.
 
"Can still be" and will be are two very different things.

At this point we are talking about which mess Republicans want to go with. Mess one, removing Trump from the ticket. Mess two, not removing Trump from the ticket.

Odds are what will really happen is the party will form up behind whatever it takes to hold Congress. If the 115th stays Republican, then neither Trump or Hillary can do much.

I agree. removing Trump from the ticket will cause an internal war within the party, and whatever candidate they come up with to replace Trump simply cannot win anyway with a divided party. it's not possible. It would be like the McGovern race.

Not only that but a divided party resulting in millions of republicans staying home is bad for down ballot races, right now the GOP is in a stronger position then people realize, they hold the majority of Governorships, the vast majority of state legislature seats, majority in Congress, majority in Senate, but a lot of these are 52, 53, 55 % victories and voters staying home will guarantee many losses, whereas most independent voters probably do not associate their local officials with Trump anyway. so they lose the one super powerful race, for an office with little real power? they won't risk everything to depose Trump.
 
It no longer matters. The Republicans have lost White House and likely the Senate. Its time for damage control.

It's a pity the Party was too weak to stop this buffoon in the primary process.Frankentrump2.jpg
 
It no longer matters. The Republicans have lost White House and likely the Senate. Its time for damage control.

It's a pity the Party was too weak to stop this buffoon in the primary process.View attachment 67208364
Based on what, your prognostications? Lets all laugh in unison, ha ha ha, talk about science free... but I guess with a free college education we can also be science free, ha ha ha.

Bubba actually DID most of the things Trump only spoke about doing, Hill defended and protected him. With Wikileaks she is now more than ever a proven liar, corrupt, incompetent, scumbag criminal... I could go on but you get the idea.

Absolutely no reason to replace him, he will disrupt the establishment and THAT is a good thing.
 
Based on what, your prognostications? Lets all laugh in unison, ha ha ha, talk about science free... but I guess with a free college education we can also be science free, ha ha ha.

Bubba actually DID most of the things Trump only spoke about doing, Hill defended and protected him. With Wikileaks she is now more than ever a proven liar, corrupt, incompetent, scumbag criminal... I could go on but you get the idea.

Absolutely no reason to replace him, he will disrupt the establishment and THAT is a good thing.

Always fun when people challenge my statements as I never make a statement I can not back.

You realize, of course, that the Republican path to the White House is narrow....

The missing story of the 2014 election - GOPlifer
Can a Republican Win 270 Electoral Votes in 2016...or Ever? - The Daily Beast
The Democrats have a lock on the White House - MarketWatch
Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can’t Win With Whites Alone

It involves them EXPANDING the base. Even the Republicans know this...

GOP.com: Growth and Opportunity Project

Trump has not expanded his base nor meant any of the benchmarks articulated in the GOP Project

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/dissecting-donald-trumps-support/499739/

...as a result, before the bombshell on Friday, the polls uniformly show that Trumps chances of winning were slim.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

That does NOT include the polls taken since Friday. Do you think he helped himself with that video? Tonight's debate can help him IF he apologies in the debate then stays out of the gutter..... Do you think he can do that? I don't... and soon as he goes after the Clinton marriage, what little chance his has left is gone....

...and conventional wisdom is that he is toast..

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-electoral-votes-gop-insiders-226932
http://www.sltrib.com/news/4448500-155/utahs-lee-says-trump-cant-win
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/i-dont-think-donald-trump-can-win-hugh-hewitt-calls-on-trump-to-withdraw/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ike-crapo-mike-lee-barbara-comstock/91784714/

As to the Dems taking the Senate.... we will stick with the odds forecast by 538

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

The House should be safe..... well, maybe...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-house-majority-is-safe-right/

So there is my "science".... competent third party evidential matter. If you have another opinion, the bar has been raised.... let's see your "science"


BTW.... I am not arguing the Trump should be replaced on the ticket.... that ain't gonna happen (and its too late). The Republican train is travelling too fast and won't make the curve.... its going to derail. Its time for the Republicans to brace themselves to minimize injury.
 
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Always fun when people challenge my statements as I never make a statement I can not back.

You realize, of course, that the Republican path to the White House is narrow....

The missing story of the 2014 election - GOPlifer
Can a Republican Win 270 Electoral Votes in 2016...or Ever? - The Daily Beast
The Democrats have a lock on the White House - MarketWatch
Bad Bet: Why Republicans Can’t Win With Whites Alone

It involves them EXPANDING the base. Even the Republicans know this...

GOP.com: Growth and Opportunity Project

Trump has not expanded his base nor meant any of the benchmarks articulated in the GOP Project

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/dissecting-donald-trumps-support/499739/

...as a result, before the bombshell on Friday, the polls uniformly show that Trumps chances of winning were slim.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html

That does NOT include the polls taken since Friday. Do you think he helped himself with that video? Tonight's debate can help him IF he apologies in the debate then stays out of the gutter..... Do you think he can do that? I don't... and soon as he goes after the Clinton marriage, what little chance his has left is gone....

...and conventional wisdom is that he is toast..

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-electoral-votes-gop-insiders-226932
http://www.sltrib.com/news/4448500-155/utahs-lee-says-trump-cant-win
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/i-dont-think-donald-trump-can-win-hugh-hewitt-calls-on-trump-to-withdraw/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ike-crapo-mike-lee-barbara-comstock/91784714/

As to the Dems taking the Senate.... we will stick with the odds forecast by 538

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/senate/?ex_cid=2016-forecast

The House should be safe..... well, maybe...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-house-majority-is-safe-right/

So there is my "science".... competent third party evidential matter. If you have another opinion, the bar has been raised.... let's see your "science"


BTW.... I am not arguing the Trump should be replaced on the ticket.... that ain't gonna happen (and its too late). The Republican train is travelling too fast and won't make the curve.... its going to derail. Its time for the Republicans to brace themselves to minimize injury.
Ha ha ha, I am glad you can find so many sites to confirm your bias, not a poll watcher here, so the only poll that matters to me is on election day.

Trump is fortunate in that he has only beat the confirmed criminal, the one that lies to everyone [- probably even herself ], is about as corrupt, through and through as any candidate to every run for the office, most certainly does not have the health to withstand the campaign much less the rigors of the presidential job after the O bomb, with a lot of her help, put the US in such bad shape societally, domestically and of course worldwide... she just doesn't have it even if it were smooth sailing ahead, which it most assuredly is not.

Sorry you went to all that trouble, but if it makes you feel better and more confident about the worst, most corrupt and incompetent, candidate in US history... go for it.
 
Ha ha ha, I am glad you can find so many sites to confirm your bias, not a poll watcher here, so the only poll that matters to me is on election day.

Trump is fortunate in that he has only beat the confirmed criminal, the one that lies to everyone [- probably even herself ], is about as corrupt, through and through as any candidate to every run for the office, most certainly does not have the health to withstand the campaign much less the rigors of the presidential job after the O bomb, with a lot of her help, put the US in such bad shape societally, domestically and of course worldwide... she just doesn't have it even if it were smooth sailing ahead, which it most assuredly is not.

Sorry you went to all that trouble, but if it makes you feel better and more confident about the worst, most corrupt and incompetent, candidate in US history... go for it.

How ironic.... you question whether I had a basis for my assertion making fun of my science free comment, to which I respond with plenty of science (polling is statistic sampling, which is a form of science) and other expert opinion, to which you respond with your fact free, science free impressions that come from the voices in your head.

We all noticed you were unable to come up with ANY legit cites that backed up what the voices in your head are saying to you... duly noted by all that read this (certainly laughing in unison that you have been so easily slammed). Please do accept my apologies for overwhelming your fact-less reality with facts. (may I also point out that my so-called "bias" items included articles and expert opinions from members of the right ... but we know you ignored it all)

..and yes, I do feel better and more confident that the worst, most corrupt and incompetent, candidate in US history will never get anywhere near the White House. Thanks for asking. Fortunately, the American political process flushed him out before it was too late.... now having flushed this piece ...er, sad excuse for a human being, we have to settle for Hillary Clinton. While hardly my first choice, at least she enters the White House as one of the MOST experienced ever to run for the office.

BTW... while we are discussing proof and science (and voices in one's head), kindly produce evidence of this "confirmed criminal" that is running for office. I assume you can post court documents which show the conviction and sentencing, Mr. Fact Free.
 
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It no longer matters. The Republicans have lost White House and likely the Senate. Its time for damage control.

It's a pity the Party was too weak to stop this buffoon in the primary process.View attachment 67208364

No one has any control over who the people vote for. Anyone that doesn't like a Trump candidacy only has the big government folks to blame.
 
How ironic.... you question whether I had a basis for my assertion making fun of my science free comment, to which I respond with plenty of science (polling is statistic sampling, which is a form of science) and you respond with your fact free, science free impressions that come from the voices in your head. We all noticed you were unable to come up with ANY legit cites that backed up what the voices in your head are saying to you... duly noted by all that read this.

..and yes, I do feel better and more confident that the worst, most corrupt and incompetent, candidate in US history will never get anywhere near the White House. Thanks for asking. Fortunately, the American political process flushed him out before it was too late.... now having flushed this ...... we have to settle for Hillary Clinton, while hardly my first choice, at least enters the White House as one of the MOST experienced ever to run for the office.

BTW... while we are discussing proof and science (and voices in one's head), kindly produce evidence of this "confirmed criminal" that is running for office. I assume you can post court documents which show the conviction and sentencing, Mr. Fact Free.

Don't you know in the world of the Trumpettes there is no court of law only the ramblings of partisans that proclaim guilt on Facebook based on lies and innuendos. That is the America they want to "bring back". They will be soundly reminded that we are better than that.
 
No one has any control over who the people vote for. Anyone that doesn't like a Trump candidacy only has the big government folks to blame.

Actually, had the Republican party actually read and embraced their own document

http://goproject.gop.com/rnc_growth_opportunity_book_2013.pdf

The Trump candidacy never would have had traction... so yes, I do blame the Republicans for letting this happen. They will pay the price in November, but will they learn?
 
How ironic.... you question whether I had a basis for my assertion making fun of my science free comment, to which I respond with plenty of science (polling is statistic sampling, which is a form of science) and other expert opinion, to which you respond with your fact free, science free impressions that come from the voices in your head.

We all noticed you were unable to come up with ANY legit cites that backed up what the voices in your head are saying to you... duly noted by all that read this (certainly laughing in unison that you have been so easily slammed). Please do accept my apologies for overwhelming your fact-less reality with facts. (may I also point out that my so-called "bias" items included articles and expert opinions from members of the right ... but we know you ignored it all)

BTW... while we are discussing proof and science (and voices in one's head), kindly produce evidence of this "confirmed criminal" that is running for office. I assume you can post court documents which show the conviction and sentencing, Mr. Fact Free.

Wow . . . . now thats an ass whoopin LMAO
 
How ironic.... you question whether I had a basis for my assertion making fun of my science free comment, to which I respond with plenty of science (polling is statistic sampling, which is a form of science) and you respond with your fact free, science free impressions that come from the voices in your head. We all noticed you were unable to come up with ANY legit cites that backed up what the voices in your head are saying to you... duly noted by all that read this (certainly laughing in unison that you have been so easily slammed)

..and yes, I do feel better and more confident that the worst, most corrupt and incompetent, candidate in US history will never get anywhere near the White House. Thanks for asking. Fortunately, the American political process flushed him out before it was too late.... now having flushed this ...... we have to settle for Hillary Clinton, while hardly my first choice, at least enters the White House as one of the MOST experienced ever to run for the office.

BTW... while we are discussing proof and science (and voices in one's head), kindly produce evidence of this "confirmed criminal" that is running for office. I assume you can post court documents which show the conviction and sentencing, Mr. Fact Free.

Sorry, but ever hear the adage, lie, damn lies and statistics?

Polls are simply a rudimentary tool used by the faint of heart... if they were indeed scientific, we would need only one polling agency and/or their polls would all be exactly the same. Its a guess, an extrapolation that makes you, not me, feel comfortable with whatever result they come up with. In fact I believe polls are more used to influence the outcome, not predict it exactly or scientifically. Polling is not science...if it were we would not even need elections, right? Its a solely a snapshot of one brief moment in time.

Take a snapshot of an NFL receiver catching a pass at his own 17 yard line... will he make the touchdown, will he even make a first down...??? That snapshot will not tell you much of anything real. You could, based on some set of analytics, make a determination as to how often someone has a caught a pass at that point on the field in the past and make some determinations, but still those are only generalized guesses.

This is a constantly moving target, those stats will change with each game played. If science could determine it all before the game, or during the game, why even play? Why have elections?

You go on ahead and keep on relying on your comforting polls, maybe you will wake up some day and Dewey will have beaten Truman, too.

Polling is just a heightened version of guessing.
 
The Republican Party has a rules for replacing a nominee for "death, declination or otherwise." If you're hanging your hat on "otherwise" give it up. It ain't happening. The first thing Trump would do is get an injunction against the party from exercising that rule. And that doesn't even address the issues around people who have already voted, the fact that ballots have been printed already etc.

It ain't happening.
 

Cool. I've heard the phrase, obviously, but would have spelled it wrong and never knew the origin until I just looked it up to confirm.

Bated here is a contraction of abated through loss of the unstressed first vowel (a process called aphesis); it means “reduced, lessened, lowered in force”. So bated breath refers to a state in which you almost stop breathing as a result of some strong emotion, such as terror or awe.

:peace
 
I sincerely hope he isn't.
How can you not want Donald Trump to drop out? His presidential campaign is an embarrassment to the entire country. If your sole reason for not wanting Trump to drop out is because you're excited for a Clinton win, then I have a major issue with that. I know you don't support Trump, so I cannot think of a single reason why you would not want Trump to drop out/be replaced.
 
How can you not want Donald Trump to drop out? His presidential campaign is an embarrassment to the entire country. If your sole reason for not wanting Trump to drop out is because you're excited for a Clinton win, then I have a major issue with that. I know you don't support Trump, so I cannot think of a single reason why you would not want Trump to drop out/be replaced.

Trump isn't going to win. First, there aren't going to be any October surprises in favor of Trump. Second, even if the polls come back and find literally no downturn in ratings for Trump as a result of his taxes and his misogynistic sexual aggression recordings, that's actually still super awful for him. Third, Trump needed a win last night, and at best it was a draw. So the guy isn't going to be President. The Republican party, however, knew what horror they had in their midst, and despite going on record repeatedly acknowledging what a nightmare he was they chose to lend their support for him instead. I don't want them to try to magically "cleanse" themselves of him at the last possible moment. They need to pay a price for abandoning rationality and the good of the country.
 
Actually, had the Republican party actually read and embraced their own document

http://goproject.gop.com/rnc_growth_opportunity_book_2013.pdf

The Trump candidacy never would have had traction... so yes, I do blame the Republicans for letting this happen. They will pay the price in November, but will they learn?
Hmmmm, what is it you find so compelling about this Growth and Opportunity Project document? How would this have changed things to prevent a Trump? Why is that important to you? How would that, an anti-Trump styled party, have helped America?

The Trump campaign is one that, as an effort, the Republican Party can be proud of. Is Trump flawed? Sure, who the hell isn't? The current flap over his locker room banter... you would be lying or an abnormal [ and I am not ruling this out as the liberal side has a lot of Abbie Normals on that side ] guy not to have engaged in this type of talk during your lifetime. Its just whats done and to deny it as anything but truthful.

Can the overwhelming majority of guys out there honestly say they have not so engaged in such talk? If one denies it, I would have say one is either lying... or one of that minimal percentage of Abbies.

The Republican voters have thrown off the establishment, the controllers.

We came down to 2 anti-establishment guys and our voters picked Trump. Me, I was a Cruz guy, but since the country needs a drastic shakeup after 8 years of attempted suicide by socialism, by government promoted societal dysfunction, a collapse of border and proper immigration maintenance, a weakening of our military, an economic Sargasso and defeats worldwide in policy and trade... hell, he IS the right guy at the right time.

And then he is pitted against what? THE EPITOME ESTABLISHMENT candidate who uses them to enrich her and her's and they, the ESTABLISHMENT, will use her for the access and power she will so willingly sell, no matter what. A symbiotic relationship of folks who do not have America's, but instead their own short term, interests at heart pocket and purse.

Simply, she is an un-indicted and therefore un-convicted, but admitted, criminal after undeniably breaking FOIA and national security laws, at minimum...yet the Democrat party [read: ESTABLISHMENT] 'selected' her to represent them and by extension, should we as a country be so unfortunate, our nation to the world... well, what a sham that would be, wouldn't it?

Yes. It will be a loss to the entire world if Republicans do not win in November. With the same type anti-American and anti-heritage choices as the O bomb put on our Supreme Court--- that will force far too many of us into a situation where the Abbie Normals running governmental enforced new societal 'norms' will create an atmosphere in which many of us with values simply can no longer in good conscience comply. Not a threat, just the reality.

It will certainly be a catalyst for divisional change in this nation, and maybe it best to have that confrontation sooner rather than later. The Cultural divide has become that wide, and so what will occur with another Clinton as president? I do not know, but it will not be pretty, its already gone too far under the current incompetent and disruptive, wrong choice for president, administration.
 
How can you not want Donald Trump to drop out? His presidential campaign is an embarrassment to the entire country. If your sole reason for not wanting Trump to drop out is because you're excited for a Clinton win, then I have a major issue with that. I know you don't support Trump, so I cannot think of a single reason why you would not want Trump to drop out/be replaced.

First, what Cardinal said.

Also, he's not going to drop out, and if they force him out that just empowers the toxic elements supporting him. The last thing the country needs is a bunch of unstable zealots being given an actually good reason to conclude the elites are aligned about Real America or whatever bull**** they'll come up with.

And Trump has shown again and again he doesn't give one damn about the party or other candidates unless they're helping him, or the country for that matter should he lose, and if there is any justice the GOP will pay a big price for enabling that kind of candidate. Frankly what he said last night about if he wins he'll target Clinton for prosecution is dangerous, and appropriate in a tinpot dictatorship but not a functioning democracy, and he's also repeatedly suggested the votes will be rigged against him, and either one is IMO disqualifying for a major party candidate and I hope the cowards in the GOP who remain behind him live to regret their choice to remain silent or actively back Trump.
 
No one has any control over who the people vote for. Anyone that doesn't like a Trump candidacy only has the big government folks to blame.

...and not the primary voters?
 
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LMAO. A good number of people have already voted, and ballots have already been mailed out to our soldiers overseas, so good luck with that. To those who voted for the chump chained to the dead hooker in the primaries, suck it up, and get busy dragging the monster you created to the finish line.
 
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