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Monday night ratings down, again

OK, substitute whoever was doing the broadcasts - same point. And it doesn't matter what you think but what the people with big money on the line thought about it and they wanted Hank Jr. gone and that was within their power to do, and they did.



Sure, but AFAIK, only the team has any power to do anything about it.


I just didn't understand your point, but I don't believe individual stations actually have ANY discretion about the games they're broadcasting. And what discretion they do have cannot be, "We'd rather air this game, not this one, cause we don't like that player."



Goodness, those are COMPLETELY different situations. ESPN or whoever can control who works for ESPN, or who sings their intro - those are THEIR EMPLOYEES. They don't have the power (or at least I can't imagine they do) to dictate behavior by players on the team they have signed $billion contracts to broadcast, or to just say, "Nah, we don't like So and So Player for whatever reason, not gonna broadcast his team!"



Except the singer worked for ESPN or whoever, and the player doesn't. It's a key distinction - the broadcaster has firing authority over THEIR employees, but not someone ELSE'S employees. This is obvious. If you want to say the NFL should tighten up its player contracts in the next union deal to give them firing authority over players who don't stand properly during the national anthem, fine. Let them try.



Well did you disagree with stations taking the Dixie Chicks off the air?

And I get the principle, but you're dealing with a $billion industry and deciding to keep Team Z off the airwaves just because the broadcaster doesn't like what a player on that team is doing is just not going to fly. Here's the wiki entry on broadcast rights for the NFL. It's incredibly detailed and there's no way in hell the broadcasters can just decide, "Nope, we'd rather air the Patriots game this week!
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Somebody decides, but there is not enough transparency for regular Joes to know who, or why. This is a standard failure of the current class of elites, they will yak about it, but they sure dont want to do it much.
 
OK, substitute whoever was doing the broadcasts - same point. And it doesn't matter what you think but what the people with big money on the line thought about it and they wanted Hank Jr. gone and that was within their power to do, and they did.
Yes, that decision, along with other faults I see as ruining the actual game, has led me as one viewer to become a former viewer who has quit watching NFL games.

Now, with the addition of going this direction on HW, Jr and another direction of allowing the very open anti patriotic pro BLM sentiments of the SF QB, lots of folks are questioning their own loyalty to watching and supporting teams and a league that condones such behavior and its own hypocrisy.

Some folks earlier were saying this is a stupid thread, nothing here to discuss, nothing to debate.



Sure, but AFAIK, only the team has any power to do anything about it.
Again, if ESPN agrees to terms in the future, and a lot of folks like myself are even passably patriotic who do appreciate what America has offered to us and our families/friends/etc... there should be penalties for players/teams that express such disrespect that will cost the networks viewership and affect their bottom line.

Its just not a good business decision to turn off loyal clients who may, after doing so, find something else better and never return. I did. Generally I now would much rather debate here, for instance, than watch a bunch of overpaid guys play a kids game into adulthood... especially when their self evident prima dona nature spills over into the anti patriotic.

That is me. And maybe a lot of other folk.




I just didn't understand your point, but I don't believe individual stations actually have ANY discretion about the games they're broadcasting. And what discretion they do have cannot be, "We'd rather air this game, not this one, cause we don't like that player."
I am pretty sure they have lots of discretion, they've already paid for it and can do what they please I would think.




Goodness, those are COMPLETELY different situations. ESPN or whoever can control who works for ESPN, or who sings their intro - those are THEIR EMPLOYEES. They don't have the power (or at least I can't imagine they do) to dictate behavior by players on the team they have signed $billion contracts to broadcast, or to just say, "Nah, we don't like So and So Player for whatever reason, not gonna broadcast his team!"
Ummm, as much money as they are paying the NFL I think ESPN can probably broadcast or not broadcast any game or any part of any game they so desire. And if not, they certainly should be able.




Except the singer worked for ESPN or whoever, and the player doesn't. It's a key distinction - the broadcaster has firing authority over THEIR employees, but not someone ELSE'S employees. This is obvious. If you want to say the NFL should tighten up its player contracts in the next union deal to give them firing authority over players who don't stand properly during the national anthem, fine. Let them try.

If ESPN is paying the NFL, ESPN is, in effect, the employer of the NFL. I am sure they have clauses in their contractual agreements for both indiviuals and corporate entities similar in effect to the old moral turpitude standards by which if you do not live up to them there are penalties/consequences. ESPN should not have to bear the financial consequences of stupid moves by these already overpaid athletes.




Well did you disagree with stations taking the Dixie Chicks off the air?

And I get the principle, but you're dealing with a $billion industry and deciding to keep Team Z off the airwaves just because the broadcaster doesn't like what a player on that team is doing is just not going to fly. Here's the wiki entry on broadcast rights for the NFL. It's incredibly detailed and there's no way in hell the broadcasters can just decide, "Nope, we'd rather air the Patriots game this week!"

I am pretty sure this $$billion industry can do a lot of what it wants. If it can do it to an individual singer because of something he said off the field, it can more than likely be done to an athlete that does a despicable thing on the field in front of ESPN cameras.
 
So a 2nd string QB kneeling for 2 mins. before a game is now 'liberalism ruining the NFL'?

Wow, conservatives take their politics way too seriously. That's probably why conservative media is popular with conservatives. They sit there daily listening and watching so they can be told what to believe. In this case they believe this is liberals ruining the NFL.

Whatever.

the people brainwashing to make money from sports addiction are the globalists and democrats

the media .. sports.... hollywood...all makes their money working with globalists..

Giant corporations owns the entertainment industry.. sports .... owns the voting system.

ALL this is about to change...
 
the people brainwashing to make money from sports addiction are the globalists and democrats

the media .. sports.... hollywood...all makes their money working with globalists..

Giant corporations owns the entertainment industry.. sports .... owns the voting system.

ALL this is about to change...

Yeah, it's all the Libs and Dems fault. Republican like the Koch Bros and even Mr. Trump have nothing to do with large corporations. LOL It's all one-sided. LOL
 
Yes, that decision, along with other faults I see as ruining the actual game, has led me as one viewer to become a former viewer who has quit watching NFL games.

Now, with the addition of going this direction on HW, Jr and another direction of allowing the very open anti patriotic pro BLM sentiments of the SF QB, lots of folks are questioning their own loyalty to watching and supporting teams and a league that condones such behavior and its own hypocrisy.

I'm not sure they 'condone' the behavior, but it's a little unclear how the league can punish the players. Like it or not, there is no law requiring someone to stand a certain way during the national anthem, and I wouldn't want to live in a country that did have such laws.

Again, if ESPN agrees to terms in the future, and a lot of folks like myself are even passably patriotic who do appreciate what America has offered to us and our families/friends/etc... there should be penalties for players/teams that express such disrespect that will cost the networks viewership and affect their bottom line.

It's not really the point of our discussion, but I don't see the kind of silent protests going on in the NFL as unpatriotic. There is no shortage of people on the right and left who think the country is way off track, is being failed by its leaders, and more - that's essentially the entirety of the Trump campaign - and the protests going on are just another example.

Its just not a good business decision to turn off loyal clients who may, after doing so, find something else better and never return. I did. Generally I now would much rather debate here, for instance, than watch a bunch of overpaid guys play a kids game into adulthood... especially when their self evident prima dona nature spills over into the anti patriotic.

That is me. And maybe a lot of other folk.

I can't question your decision - I watch very little pro football.

I am pretty sure they have lots of discretion, they've already paid for it and can do what they please I would think.

If you read through a little of the link, seems doubtful at best. Maybe they could not run the game, and then the 95% or more who don't agree with you would be filling up their voice mail boxes, letters, etc. and they'd cut their ad revenues by taking off the most watched, by far, hours of the week on their stations.

Ummm, as much money as they are paying the NFL I think ESPN can probably broadcast or not broadcast any game or any part of any game they so desire. And if not, they certainly should be able.

No, they can't and why would the NFL team owners give them that right, to take THEIR games off the air for pretty much any reason ESPN wants?

If ESPN is paying the NFL, ESPN is, in effect, the employer of the NFL. I am sure they have clauses in their contractual agreements for both indiviuals and corporate entities similar in effect to the old moral turpitude standards by which if you do not live up to them there are penalties/consequences. ESPN should not have to bear the financial consequences of stupid moves by these already overpaid athletes.

No, ESPN bid on the rights to those games, that's it, and the NFL gets to set the terms of their rights and just a brief review of the wiki entry makes it clear how specific the terms of that deal are. If ESPN doesn't want them as dictated, lots of stations will be glad to take over the right to broadcast the most popular programming in the Fall.

And I guess we just disagree that obviously legal and silent protests are on the same level as rape or sexual assault, etc.

Finally, it's hard to say the athletes are overpaid - they are the game, the entertainers, immensely talented individuals in their field and who people tune in to watch. Put a bunch of third rate scrubs out there and see how the ratings do. And arguing more of the $billions going into the NFL SHOULD end up in the hands of owners is a tough argument. They're sitting on gold mines as it is

I am pretty sure this $$billion industry can do a lot of what it wants. If it can do it to an individual singer because of something he said off the field, it can more than likely be done to an athlete that does a despicable thing on the field in front of ESPN cameras.

I'm sure the NFL can try to put in the next player contract that all players have to stand at attention with their hand over their heart during the national anthem. It's not there now, obviously, and whether their protests are 'despicable' is a matter of opinion. I don't see them that way at all.
 
I dunno. I'm a big football fan. I just watch the football game, and the rest I let blow right on by. Generally speaking, teams are not ready to play professional football at the start of the season these days. We have to endure about a month of teams playing subpar games until they get their act together. The collective bargaining agreement between the NFL and the players has assured this. If the ratings are down, it's largely due to the quality of play the league mandated contractually.


This is a great mentality. I mean, Im a huge hockey fan (LA Kings) and if the NHL, commentators, players jumped into the pool of conservative filth, I would simple do what Humbolt does. I mean, im not there for the commentary, im there because im a FAN of my team. There's a bunch of chest pounding from the cons saying that they are not going to watch football anymore. I call Bsht! on that.

All of this NFL nonsense today is just another reason to complain; something the cons are good at. Well, most of them at least.
 
How about crappy teams.

That is certainly less silly, but you'd have to show a demonstrable difference between the quality of previous year match-ups versus the crappiness of this year's match-ups.
 
This is a great mentality. I mean, Im a huge hockey fan (LA Kings) and if the NHL, commentators, players jumped into the pool of conservative filth, I would simple do what Humbolt does. I mean, im not there for the commentary, im there because im a FAN of my team. There's a bunch of chest pounding from the cons saying that they are not going to watch football anymore. I call Bsht! on that.

All of this NFL nonsense today is just another reason to complain; something the cons are good at. Well, most of them at least.

I can't comment on the political aspects of it all. I'll be a fan until football stops looking like football. I honestly wouldn't have known what Kaepernick did during the National Anthem had the media not focused on it. He's not much of a quarterback, and what he does on the sidelines is even less interesting than what he does on the playing field, which is uninteresting enough.
 
Monday night ratings down, again

The red bolded is NBC trying desperately to makes excuses...There is only ONE reason ratings are down, and it's the anthem boycotts...

And the problem is NOT simply believing what players are doing is disrespectful or offensive...

Here's the problem...and it's even if you AGREE with the players...

Most people come home from a hard day's work, kiss the spouse, hug their kids and maybe help them with their homework, have a nice meal, and then settle down to some entertainment to ESCAPE from the politics, punditry and activism that's shoved down their throat on a daily basis... They don't WANT to have to think about this stuff...It means little to them and they just want to watch the damn game!!!!...:yes

There's a quote from Erick Erickson, who runs the website "redstate", about the what goes on culturally...

"The Left will not let you stay on the sidelines. You will be MADE to care."

...and that's what going on with these anthem boycotts....

You want to get AWAY from the "daily grind" and sit back with a beer and NOT have to form opinions and have discussions on subjects you care little about and wished weren't discussed so you can just enjoy the on-field action?

Well "F*ck you!! Were NOT going to let you do that!"...

And the public is responding to that by not bothering to watch...There are so many more options to "escape" from the "daily grind" that WON'T force people to "care", and that's exactly what's happening...and it won't stop until the NFL decides to end these ideology stunts...

Time to turn off the NFL and those crybaby millionaires that whine about how bad they have it in this Country ! :roll:
 
Time to turn off the NFL and those crybaby millionaires that whine about how bad they have it in this Country ! :roll:

I think that all pro sports are near the top of their income capacity. They have simply gotten to be too expensive for too much of the nation, something that the current NFL Commish should have understood but no, he came up with a plan to pull I think it was double the amount of money out of pockets over ten years. It wont happen.
 
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Somebody decides, but there is not enough transparency for regular Joes to know who, or why. This is a standard failure of the current class of elites, they will yak about it, but they sure dont want to do it much.

So, what, nationalize the NFL? Make it subject to votes? Or maybe the owners of the NFL can do what they want with their property and if you don't like it just watch something else.
 
So, what, nationalize the NFL? Make it subject to votes? Or maybe the owners of the NFL can do what they want with their property and if you don't like it just watch something else.

Only after all the taxpayers money that has been feed onto the NFL over the decades is returned, with appropriate interest.
 
Only after all the taxpayers money that has been feed onto the NFL over the decades is returned, with appropriate interest.

That's not a realistic idea - I am as against taxpayers subsidizing a vanity project for $billionaires as you are, but the state and local governments awarding those ridiculous handouts to $billionaires don't get to change the rules after the fact and demand repayment.

As an aside, it's one reason I'm a Green Bay fan - the team is owned by the public who purchase shares and get not much back but pride in the team. That's frankly the way it should be if the city is going to provide taxpayer funds to the team.
 
I think that all pro sports are near the top of their income capacity. They have simply gotten to be too expensive for too much of the nation, something that the current NFL Commish should have understood but no, he came up with a plan to pull I think it was double the amount of money out of pockets over ten years. It wont happen.

It's disgraceful taxpayers have to pay billions for new stadium every few years then greedy owners move teams to the highest bidder . Turn them OFF !
 
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