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SailaWay said:
its the media's biased reporting against a nationalist candidate that has made people think trump is crazy

they did the very same thing with the other nationalist candidate... ross perot and perot was right about nafta
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It does not take a "biased media" to have people see that Trump is an arrogant, ignorant, thin-skinned, vindictive narcissistic man-child. It is pretty obvious to anyone with a discerning eye.

Now you may think he is the second coming. Frankly, I too worry about that. I know he he is not the 2nd coming of a man that lived two thousand years ago (way too many lies to be 'the truth'), as he has far more in common with a nationalist that died 71 years ago.
 
code1211 said:
I'm not sure, but your opposition seems to be softer than it was in the past. i admit, I don't keep a log on these things.

This election kind of reminds of the Nixon/Humphrey race.

The polls were closing as the election approached, but not quickly enough for Humphrey to have won.

Can Trump win that race with the calendar the clock? I think we'll know more after Monday night.
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Sorry, I fired-off a quick reply earlier, but misunderstood & glossed over your first line.

Actually code1211, I was initially an anti-establishment Bernie supporter this time around - but subsequently took a look at Trump when it became apparent Bernie would not prevail in the Dem primary. I dislike HRC, though I have a bit of a fond spot for Bubba - and see him getting back in the WH as one of the few redeeming features of an HRC presidency.

Being anti-establishment and a strong opponent of illegal immigration/strong proponent of secure borders, I wanted to support Trump. Initially, I was moderately warm with him but bothered by the way he characterized Mexicans (rapists, murderers, I suppose *some* are good), and by his John McCain comments (I like soldiers that don't get caught!). My father and uncle served in Korea, I knew a lot of guys that served in 'Nam, and my wife's friends have kids that served in Afghanistan; so the McCain comment struck me as particularly hard and unpatriotic, and I thought that there might sink him. I also didn't like some of the racist & bigoted elements I was seeing in his growing ranks of supporters.

But I still kinda' hung around wanting to support him, until finally the Mexican judge and Khan Family disputes arose along with what I perceived as an even further attracting of nasty elements at his speeches. So I threw in the towel on him. I also couldn't take his talking total B.S., often in circles or contradicting himself, senseless lacking in detail platform positions , impossible to attain promises, his moving harder Right, and God knows how much other stuff.

So I'm a bit teed-off here, because I very much like Trump's anti-establishment message & his strong anti-illegal immigration stands, just as I like Bernie's anti-establishment ethos too. It is the right message I believe. But my number one messenger got knee-capped by the DNC and the Clinton's, and my number two messenger has some fatal flaws that I couldn't quite get over.

The saddest part of all this is: It really does seem the mood in the country and time for a change is now; it's a shame if it will be wasted, and it's a shame that Trump is the vehicle we are left with. But then maybe this is the way these things go, and we have to accept agents of change with all their flaws? If he wins, I'm going to try to be optimistic about successfully getting an anti-establishment candidate in the WH, and hope most of the talk he's spouted was salesmanship he believed he needed to use to win, and that there may be more to him that may indeed reflect my values.

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Wow! This was carthartic! Sorry about the length!
 
Goshin said:
Politics is always about compromise. The alternative is violence.


It isn't so much that I support Trump, as that I oppose Hillary and find no viable alternative to Trump.
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I think you're probably the member of a pretty big club, here. ;)
 
Dad Bush and Slick Willie are good friends and have combined to work together on many issues since Willie left office. Dad has got to know that as First Gentleman, Clinton will be a top advisor to Madam President.
 
Chomsky said:
Sorry, I fired-off a quick reply earlier, but misunderstood & glossed over your first line.

Actually code1211, I was initially an anti-establishment Bernie supporter this time around - but subsequently took a look at Trump when it became apparent Bernie would not prevail in the Dem primary. I dislike HRC, though I have a bit of a fond spot for Bubba - and see him getting back in the WH as one of the few redeeming features of an HRC presidency.

Being anti-establishment and a strong opponent of illegal immigration/strong proponent of secure borders, I wanted to support Trump. Initially, I was moderately warm with him but bothered by the way he characterized Mexicans (rapists, murderers, I suppose *some* are good), and by his John McCain comments (I like soldiers that don't get caught!). My father and uncle served in Korea, I knew a lot of guys that served in 'Nam, and my wife's friends have kids that served in Afghanistan; so the McCain comment struck me as particularly hard and unpatriotic, and I thought that there might sink him. I also didn't like some of the racist & bigoted elements I was seeing in his growing ranks of supporters.

But I still kinda' hung around wanting to support him, until finally the Mexican judge and Khan Family disputes arose along with what I perceived as an even further attracting of nasty elements at his speeches. So I threw in the towel on him. I also couldn't take his talking total B.S., often in circles or contradicting himself, senseless lacking in detail platform positions , impossible to attain promises, his moving harder Right, and God knows how much other stuff.

So I'm a bit teed-off here, because I very much like Trump's anti-establishment message & his strong anti-illegal immigration stands, just as I like Bernie's anti-establishment ethos too. It is the right message I believe. But my number one messenger got knee-capped by the DNC and the Clinton's, and my number two messenger has some fatal flaws that I couldn't quite get over.

The saddest part of all this is: It really does seem the mood in the country and time for a change is now; it's a shame if it will be wasted, and it's a shame that Trump is the vehicle we are left with. But then maybe this is the way these things go, and we have to accept agents of change with all their flaws? If he wins, I'm going to try to be optimistic about successfully getting an anti-establishment candidate in the WH, and hope most of the talk he's spouted was salesmanship he believed he needed to use to win, and that there may be more to him that may indeed reflect my values.

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Wow! This was carthartic! Sorry about the length!
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While I understand where you are coming from have to disagree. Yes he makes statements that are hard to listen to and says things that makes one wonder how he could know less about issues than most here on DP.

That being said, is it worse than someone who has zero qualms about looking you straight in the eye and bald faced lie? Is it worse who will get into bed (figuratively) with anyone to get and retain power? What would that mean she will do or be influenced by? teachers unions blocking charter schools, Al Sharpton the NY race baiter? The Iranian government to hide the failure of her nuclear arms deal, until like North Korea the genie is out of the bottle? A Supreme Court that allows almost unlimited power to the chief executive, negating our key checks and balances forever.

As always this is a high stakes election. I happen to live in one of the 80% of states where a peson's vote does not matter. The electoral votes only go one way. I hope in the states where people's votes count, they really take a look at issues rather than personalities when they go to vote.
 
washunut said:
While I understand where you are coming from have to disagree. Yes he makes statements that are hard to listen to and says things that makes one wonder how he could know less about issues than most here on DP.

That being said, is it worse than someone who has zero qualms about looking you straight in the eye and bald faced lie? Is it worse who will get into bed (figuratively) with anyone to get and retain power? What would that mean she will do or be influenced by? teachers unions blocking charter schools, Al Sharpton the NY race baiter? The Iranian government to hide the failure of her nuclear arms deal, until like North Korea the genie is out of the bottle? A Supreme Court that allows almost unlimited power to the chief executive, negating our key checks and balances forever.

As always this is a high stakes election. I happen to live in one of the 80% of states where a peson's vote does not matter. The electoral votes only go one way. I hope in the states where people's votes count, they really take a look at issues rather than personalities when they go to vote.
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Thanks for the reply.

But my dislike of Donald Trump, does not equate an endorsement of HRC. I dislike her as well, though I might be able to live with her SC picks; we'll see about, that if she gets in.

And that's not to say I absolutely can't live with Trump, either. We'll have to see about that, too. But both of these guys suck, IMNSHO.

The country is being forced to accept two candidates neither like; a lessor of two evils it seems.
 
SMTA said:
I have been a Republican for 40 years.

The GOP royally screwed me as Trump is a purely evil POS who I would never vote for.

I hate Hilary with a passion, but it is either her or Johnson/Weld.

Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
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Considering it's either Clinton or Johnson, I'm voting for Johnson.
 
SailaWay said:
WRONG... you failed a logic test clearly....america has the greatest natural resources of the world and also invents the best.... being globalist harms this type nation...
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I can't wait for your "wisdom test," as it will clearly make you ineligible to vote.

Unless the only question is "Did you vote for the God-Emperor?"
 
Chomsky said:
Thanks for the reply.

But my dislike of Donald Trump, does not equate an endorsement of HRC. I dislike her as well, though I might be able to live with her SC picks; we'll see about, that if she gets in.

And that's not to say I absolutely can't live with Trump, either. We'll have to see about that, too. But both of these guys suck, IMNSHO.

The country is being forced to accept two candidates neither like; a lessor of two evils it seems.
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I would not be shocked if she picked Obama (if he wants the job) to replace Ginsberg in a year or two.

As for having two lousy candidates I totally agree. But my sense is that in order to run for president today with the all attendant ugliness that is thrown not just at you but also your family,friends supporters et al. takes a certain type of person.
 
rocket88 said:
Considering it's either Clinton or Johnson, I'm voting for Johnson.
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I know but Johnson sure is a strange bird sometimes.

His saving grace is that Weld is sharp.
 
SMTA said:
I know but Johnson sure is a strange bird sometimes.

His saving grace is that Weld is sharp.
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And Weld is reportedly contemplating dropping out to avoid causing HRC to lose the general election.
 
Gaea said:
And Weld is reportedly contemplating dropping out to avoid causing HRC to lose the general election.
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No he is not.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, I think Hillary's hyperbole was a bit amiss;

The race itself, could be described as: "The race of 'the deplorables'" :lamo
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I look at it as the race between the guy that you think may turn out to be incompetent and dishonest and the gal who has already demonstrated that she is incompetent and dishonest.
 
Chomsky said:
Sorry, I fired-off a quick reply earlier, but misunderstood & glossed over your first line.

Actually code1211, I was initially an anti-establishment Bernie supporter this time around - but subsequently took a look at Trump when it became apparent Bernie would not prevail in the Dem primary. I dislike HRC, though I have a bit of a fond spot for Bubba - and see him getting back in the WH as one of the few redeeming features of an HRC presidency.

Being anti-establishment and a strong opponent of illegal immigration/strong proponent of secure borders, I wanted to support Trump. Initially, I was moderately warm with him but bothered by the way he characterized Mexicans (rapists, murderers, I suppose *some* are good), and by his John McCain comments (I like soldiers that don't get caught!). My father and uncle served in Korea, I knew a lot of guys that served in 'Nam, and my wife's friends have kids that served in Afghanistan; so the McCain comment struck me as particularly hard and unpatriotic, and I thought that there might sink him. I also didn't like some of the racist & bigoted elements I was seeing in his growing ranks of supporters.

But I still kinda' hung around wanting to support him, until finally the Mexican judge and Khan Family disputes arose along with what I perceived as an even further attracting of nasty elements at his speeches. So I threw in the towel on him. I also couldn't take his talking total B.S., often in circles or contradicting himself, senseless lacking in detail platform positions , impossible to attain promises, his moving harder Right, and God knows how much other stuff.

So I'm a bit teed-off here, because I very much like Trump's anti-establishment message & his strong anti-illegal immigration stands, just as I like Bernie's anti-establishment ethos too. It is the right message I believe. But my number one messenger got knee-capped by the DNC and the Clinton's, and my number two messenger has some fatal flaws that I couldn't quite get over.

The saddest part of all this is: It really does seem the mood in the country and time for a change is now; it's a shame if it will be wasted, and it's a shame that Trump is the vehicle we are left with. But then maybe this is the way these things go, and we have to accept agents of change with all their flaws? If he wins, I'm going to try to be optimistic about successfully getting an anti-establishment candidate in the WH, and hope most of the talk he's spouted was salesmanship he believed he needed to use to win, and that there may be more to him that may indeed reflect my values.

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Wow! This was carthartic! Sorry about the length!
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Not a problem in any way.

I am bothered by much of what Trump said, but I chalk a lot of that up to his inexperience in the political arena.

When you're the boss or the side show barker, nobody cares what you say or how or to whom. All is forgiven if you sign the paycheck or make them smile.

He was suddenly in the middle ring of the Circus instead of selling the peanuts. Too big a jump to make with no training.

If Bill Clinton had said in public what he said about Obama in private, that would have been career crippling. Political acumen and experience prevented that.

I see Trump as the enemy of my enemy. That enemy being the establishment with the same old same old. The establishment means both parties. I happen to think that Harry Reid is the worst example of anything yo may care to name: An evil, vile, cess pool of hate and lies. Because he leads the Dems at the moment, they are all painted with the same brush. Of course Nancy Pelosi is right there also. Neither has more than a distant relationship with the truth, ethics, honesty or fairness.

The Republicans are just as partisan, but execute their divisiveness with a little more decorum. High comedy watching as they fight with their reflexive support of the party to support the nominee and their reflexive support of the party to oppose Trump. What's an automaton to do?

It is funny observing the activities of the press that when Trump was the opposition of the Republican Party during the primaries, the press seemed to love him. Now he is the Republican Party and that love affair is over. I suppose the press only loves those that hate those that they hate. Again, what's an automaton to do?
 
the bush's are globalists the bushs works with the democrats and globalists like they did with nafta

the campaign manager of daddy bush married the campaign manager of bill clinton .. proving the system is totally corrupt and rigged against nationalists like ross perot and trump
 
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