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Democrats seek reversal of ban on federal abortion funding

JayDubya said:
End all federal funding for all of those things... Save even more money, problem solved.

But if they try to start taking our money by force to kill innocents then they will have insurrection and they will deserve it.
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What a boring insurrection it would be.

"We're insurrecting because of the federal governments expansion of funding to perfectly legitimate medical services".
 
Beaudreaux said:
Liposuction, post lumpectomy or mastectomy breast reconstruction surgery, hair implants, and reading glasses. All of which should be paid for by the government. /sarcasm

Well done, more good examples of those unintended consequences I mentioned earlier.

Doing away with the Hyde Amendment is a bad idea.
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Much like the law states that a deli cooked (convenience) chicken may not be purchased using SNAP if it is served/sold hot - that same deli cooked chicken can be (and is) sold under SNAP (at the same inflated price) if served/sold cold. ;)
 
Beaudreaux said:
Over abortion funding via taxes? You may be wrong on that one. Of all the topics that has the real potential to move a large number of people to act irrationally, abortion is the one. I sure wouldn't take the chance and use abortion to call their bluff.
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Yup, over that. What are they going to do? Arm themselves and march on military bases? Washington? Start and extended guerilla war?
 
I find it amusing that those who consider themselves pro-choice are in the party of no choice except for killing babies. School choice? Bite your tongue. Healthcare choice? Nazi. Choice in hiring? Nope. Choice in paying employees? Nope. Choice in joining a union? Nope.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yup, over that. What are they going to do? Arm themselves and march on military bases? Washington? Start and extended guerilla war?
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The US is really good against guerilla warfare. They always win those wars. :lamo
 
It'll be an uphill battle, no doubt, but it's a noble one to be sure. The Hyde Amendment puts unfair emphasis on a medical procedure for women just because other people have a bug up their butt over what women do with their own hoo-hahs.

But more to the point, the Hyde Amendment was a compromise to the pro life camp, and that even kind of worked for a while. I don't know when it stopped outright, but its lack of effect was glaringly highlighted last year with the release of the videos. In spite of it being pointed out repeatedly that Federal dollars didn't pay for abortions except in the case of rape, incest or danger to the mother, pro-lifers scoffed and replied to that so long as a single cent went to an organization that performed abortions then the principle of the Hyde Amendment was a farce.

Alright. So they consider it a farce. What that means then is that the Hyde Amendment is no longer a meaningful compromise and it can summarily be done away with. Let Federal dollars go to all abortions.
 
Cardinal said:
It'll be an uphill battle, no doubt, but it's a noble one to be sure. The Hyde Amendment puts unfair emphasis on a medical procedure for women just because other people have a bug up their butt over what women do with their own hoo-hahs.
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Yeah? How is paying for your own **** unfair? It seems pretty fair for all involved that if you want to kill your own kid that you pay for it yourself.
 
minnie616 said:
Published August 17, 2016 - 12:05am



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Democrats seek reversal of ban on federal abortion funding | West Hawaii Today

For years the Hyde amendment has made it very difficult for low-income women to obtain a legal abortion that is much more accessible for woman with good incomes.

From: Fund Abortion Now . Org
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Without even reading the thread I can already tell how this is going to go down.

As for this, I'm of two minds on it.

On one hand I'd have no problem with the Hyde Amendment being repealed or simply letting it sunset. I fully believe that it is the woman's Right to choose to have a baby or not and shouldn't be prevented from doing so simply because they're poor and politicians that are against abortion make things as hard as possible for them to get one, which includes making it expensive in any way possible.

On the other hand I don't believe that a woman has the Right to get an abortion using other peoples money. She should be using her own money or money that was donated via charity. Not taken from people by the government.

I guess that over all I would have to say that I wouldn't mind if the Hyde Amendment was kept, but I won't shed a single tear if it gets repealed.
 
JayDubya said:
End all federal funding for all of those things... Save even more money, problem solved.

But if they try to start taking our money by force to kill innocents then they will have insurrection and they will deserve it.
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GL on that insurrection. But thanks for proving to me that I am right in how i believed this type of thing would be received by anti-abortionists.
 
Patrickt said:
I find it amusing that those who consider themselves pro-choice are in the party of no choice except for killing babies. School choice? Bite your tongue. Healthcare choice? Nazi. Choice in hiring? Nope. Choice in paying employees? Nope. Choice in joining a union? Nope.
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Same here. If it's abortion democrats only care what the woman wants, but if it's literally any other topic they only care what the government wants. Democrats are all about government controlling everything unless it's abortion.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Without even reading the thread I can already tell how this is going to go down.

As for this, I'm of two minds on it.

On one hand I'd have no problem with the Hyde Amendment being repealed or simply letting it sunset. I fully believe that it is the woman's Right to choose to have a baby or not and shouldn't be prevented from doing so simply because they're poor and politicians that are against abortion make things as hard as possible for them to get one, which includes making it expensive in any way possible.

On the other hand I don't believe that a woman has the Right to get an abortion using other peoples money. She should be using her own money or money that was donated via charity. Not taken from people by the government.

I guess that over all I would have to say that I wouldn't mind if the Hyde Amendment was kept, but I won't shed a single tear if it gets repealed.
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Well, let's be clear on something, abortion is only singled out here because another group of people have a bug up their butt over issues related to woman's reproductive decisions. It points to a larger principle, though, one that demonstrates this is not just about women's reproductive rights. There are all manners of groups that have their own beliefs regarding medical issues. Scientologists hate antidepressants, anti-vaxxers hate vaccinations, and Christian Scientists believe illnesses should only be cured by prayer. It's easy to fall into the trap that because it's fundamentalist Christians making the argument that there is a legitimacy to their position, but there isn't and compromising with them on private medical issues is a dangerous precedent. You do not want the funding for your own medical needs arbitrarily struck down based on whichever group of whackadoodles happen to be in office.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, let's be clear on something, abortion is only singled out here because another group of people have a bug up their butt over issues related to woman's reproductive decisions. It points to a larger principle, though, one that demonstrates this is not just about women's reproductive rights. There are all manners of groups that have their own beliefs regarding medical issues. Scientologists hate antidepressants, anti-vaxxers hate vaccinations, and Christian Scientists believe illnesses should only be cured by prayer. It's easy to fall into the trap that because it's fundamentalist Christians making the argument that there is a legitimacy to their position, but there isn't and compromising with them on private medical issues is a dangerous precedent. You do not want the funding for your own medical needs arbitrarily struck down based on whichever group of whackadoodles happen to be in office.
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What is your deal with Christians? You seem to have a lot of conspiracy theories about them and lot of ill feelings towards them.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, let's be clear on something, abortion is only singled out here because another group of people have a bug up their butt over issues related to woman's reproductive decisions. It points to a larger principle, though, one that demonstrates this is not just about women's reproductive rights. There are all manners of groups that have their own beliefs regarding medical issues. Scientologists hate antidepressants, anti-vaxxers hate vaccinations, and Christian Scientists believe illnesses should only be cured by prayer. It's easy to fall into the trap that because it's fundamentalist Christians making the argument that there is a legitimacy to their position, but there isn't and compromising with them on private medical issues is a dangerous precedent. You do not want the funding for your own medical needs arbitrarily struck down based on whichever group of whackadoodles happen to be in office.
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My stance has nothing to do with compromising with anyone. It has to do with exactly what I stated in the 3rd and 4th paragraphs. At least for me it does. I deal with each issue individually and make my decisions based on those issues. "groups" hold no interest to me and i essentially ignore them as much as possible.
 
Henrin said:
Talking about bugs up asses. What is your deal with Christians?
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I don't know that anti-vaxxers are necessarily Christians. Also, Scientologists are definitely not Christians. Like, not even close. Scientologists believe that an intergalactic alien emperor called Xenu murdered billions of alien races and dumped their bodies into volcanos on primordial Earth, and that their spirits haunt people to this day in the form of "Thetans." That's not Christian on even the most abstract level.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
My stance has nothing to do with compromising with anyone. It has to do with exactly what I stated in the 3rd and 4th paragraphs. At least for me it does. I deal with each issue individually and make my decisions based on those issues. "groups" hold no interest to me and i essentially ignore them as much as possible.
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It's the principle of letting groups of people determine which medical procedures bother them and therefore which ones should be allowed. It's easy to dismiss those examples because they're not in any effective majority, but the principle holds true. You do not want somebody telling you which drugs you can take because Xenu determined that they were not a legitimate way to combat your Thetans.
 
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Cardinal said:
I don't know that anti-vaxxers are necessarily Christians. Also, Scientologists are definitely not Christians. Like, not even close. Scientologists believe that an intergalactic alien emperor called Xenu murdered billions of alien races and dumps their bodies into volcanos on primordial Earth, and their spirits haunt people to this day. That's not Christian on even the most abstract level.
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No, I'm talking about your views towards Christians that you have shown repeatedly over the last several months. The first time I noticed your views on the topic was when you were talking about taxing churches and I was reminded of them again in this thread and in the thread about the pharmacy case. You seem to have something personally against them and I'm kind of curious why.
 
Henrin said:
No, I'm talking about your views towards Christians that you have shown repeatedly over the last several months. The first time I noticed them was when you were talking about taxing churches and I was reminded of them again in this thread and in the thread about the Pharmacy case. You seem to want to punish them and I'm kind of curious why.
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Christians are the only ones with Churches? That's an interesting theory.
 
Cardinal said:
Christians are the only ones with Churches? That's an interesting theory.
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I didn't say that. You did however focus on Christian churches in the thread in question. You seem to consider them your enemy and it's quite interesting behavior. I'm always somewhat interested why so many atheists find such interest in religion. I figure it has to be some kind of personal issue that causes them to have such hatred towards faith.
 
Henrin said:
I didn't say that. You did however focus on Christian churches in the thread in question.
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I focused on all churches, just as in this thread I'm focusing on all crazy groups that have their own pet crazy belief about medical issues. Clearly you feel I'm singling you out, but I'm not. If your next response is "Yes you are" then you and I are done here, because if you believe I'm lying then there's nowhere to go from there.
 
Cardinal said:
I focused on all churches, just as in this thread I'm focusing on all crazy groups that have their own pet crazy belief about medical issues. Clearly you feel I'm singling you out, but I'm not. If your next response is "Yes you are" then you and I are done here, because if you believe I'm lying then there's nowhere to go from there.
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I'm an atheist, you know. Just because I notice your behavior doesn't mean that it's something personal for me or that somehow I'm a Christian myself. I just noticed it as time went on like anyone would that is paying attention to your posts.
 
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