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Obama Being Forced Out

Mycroft said:
Such is the condition of politics nowadays. Yes, it could be characterized as childish
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I'm not just talking politics, I'm talking about being an honest person. Deliberately taking someone's words out of context is dishonest, regardless of whether or not someone did it to your team.

You advocating and excusing it because "the other child did it" is not a valid excuse to anyone with a modicum of maturity or integrity.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'm not just talking politics, I'm talking about being an honest person. Deliberately taking someone's words out of context is dishonest, regardless of whether or not someone did it to your team.

You advocating and excusing it because "the other child did it" is not a valid excuse to anyone with a modicum of maturity or integrity.
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And yet, there are many people who don't like Obama's words being taken out of context but will do it to Trump every chance they get.

My comment wasn't so much condoning the practice but pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining that it's being done to Obama and not complaining that it's being done to Trump. (and, of course, wondering why Obama would say something so stupid since he's an experienced politician)
 
Mycroft said:
And there are some Obama lovers who get their panties in a twist when words from the guy they like gets twisted all out of whack to essentially create a lying perception of the guy...but jump in with both feet when people do the same with people they don't like.

Turnabout is fair play, don't you think?
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So, you want to be exactly like those who you complain about? If that's what you want, be my guest. I'd hope that one would want to be above those they complain about.
 
Mycroft said:
And yet, there are many people who don't like Obama's words being taken out of context but will do it to Trump every chance they get.
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Ignoring for a moment there's little need to take Trump's comments out of context since he usually is proud of what he is saying, if there are people taking his words out of context for the wrong reasons, then those people are wrong also.

What's hard to understand about this?

My comment wasn't so much condoning the practice but pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining that it's being done to Obama and not complaining that it's being done to Trump.
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When you say "turnabout is fair play", that doesn't suggest pointing out hypocrisy, but rather excusing dishonesty by saying "the other child did it". And that's ridiculous and childish.

and, of course, wondering why Obama would say something so stupid since he's an experienced politician
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I can point to a few different stupid things Obama has said, some excusable and some not. But I don't recall President Obama, or presidential candidate Obama, ever saying he could stand in the street and shoot someone and people would still love him. I don't think President Obama has ever said that Mexico is sending their drug dealers and their rapists. And he's never said anything, as far as I'm aware, which can easily be construed as a threat of violence against his political opponent.

If you can present something to me you think Trump has said which has been taken out of context for politically attack reasons, post the full comment and the context it was provided in and I'll happily tell you if I think it's been taken out of context. But I guarantee you cannot find anywhere that I'VE taken a comment out of context for political purposes, so my point still remains valid.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Ignoring for a moment there's little need to take Trump's comments out of context since he usually is proud of what he is saying, if there are people taking his words out of context for the wrong reasons, then those people are wrong also.

What's hard to understand about this?
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Wait..are saying there is a difference between "taking his words out of context" and "taking his words out of context for the wrong reasons"? One is okay...the other isn't? Tell me...exactly what would be a "wrong reason" for taking Trump's words out of context?

When you say "turnabout is fair play", that doesn't suggest pointing out hypocrisy, but rather excusing dishonesty by saying "the other child did it". And that's ridiculous and childish.
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shrug...

I think taking a person's words out of context is just plain wrong. But if the left wants to do is, they shouldn't be hypocritical and complain if the right does it.

I can point to a few different stupid things Obama has said, some excusable and some not. But I don't recall President Obama, or presidential candidate Obama, ever saying he could stand in the street and shoot someone and people would still love him. I don't think President Obama has ever said that Mexico is sending their drug dealers and their rapists. And he's never said anything, as far as I'm aware, which can easily be construed as a threat of violence against his political opponent.
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Ahhh...now we are getting somewhere. This must be one of your "acceptable reasons" for taking one's words out of context.

If you can present something to me you think Trump has said which has been taken out of context for politically attack reasons, post the full comment and the context it was provided in and I'll happily tell you if I think it's been taken out of context. But I guarantee you cannot find anywhere that I'VE taken a comment out of context for political purposes, so my point still remains valid.
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I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, but you've already provided an example. I've bolded it above.
 
Mycroft said:
Wait..are saying there is a difference between "taking his words out of context" and "taking his words out of context for the wrong reasons"? One is okay...the other isn't? Tell me...exactly what would be a "wrong reason" for taking Trump's words out of context?
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Of course there's a difference in taking comments out of context. Some people only hear truncated soundbites, other people know the full context and deliberately omit relevant parts. Still others may lack the requisite back knowledge to understand the context.

Of course there's different levels of taking words out of context. But when someone does it intentionally for political reasons, that's wrong. And there's no difference when it comes to deliberately taking words out of context, it's wrong no matter what.

shrug...
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So when shown your previous words do not match your new positions, your response is to shrug, as if it doesn't matter that you've contradicted yourself?

No wonder you don't seem to have a problem with other people showing no integrity.

I think taking a person's words out of context is just plain wrong. But if the left wants to do is, they shouldn't be hypocritical and complain if the right does it.
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How about no one does it? Like I've suggested?

Ahhh...now we are getting somewhere. This must be one of your "acceptable reasons" for taking one's words out of context.
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Umm, that's not taken out of context. He has said he's starting to agree with those who think his political opponent should be locked up (despite a federal investigation which declined to press charges) and has now said that after Hillary Clinton is voted President and after she nominates her judges, then those people who are pro guns can do something about it.

I'm not taking his comments out of context. For what it's worth, I'm NOT arguing he is saying someone should shoot Clinton or should start an armed rebellion. But I AM saying it can easily be construed in such a manner, given the full context of what he said.

I never said it's "acceptable" to take someone's words out of context. I do not understand why you would tell a lie and say that I have. Then again, we have already established integrity doesn't really matter much to you.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, but you've already provided an example. I've bolded it above.
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That's not an example, because it's not a comment taken out of context. In fact, I specifically said that WITH context it can easily be interpreted that way, even if I don't personally believe that's what he meant.

So try again. Although I doubt you will, since we've already established honesty and integrity don't seem to be vitally important to you.
 
Slyfox696 said:
How about no one does it? Like I've suggested?
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This is the only part of your post that isn't some weasel-worded, disingenuous, spun BS, so this is all I'll address.

Yes...I'll agree with that. Nobody...not even you...should take anybody's words out of context.

The problem, though, is that it IS being done...it WILL be done...and crying because the other side does it is useless. Especially when the person crying is being hypocritical enough to be doing the same thing themselves. (which was my point all along)
 
Mycroft said:
This is the only part of your post that isn't some weasel-worded, disingenuous, spun BS
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Nonsense, everything I said was accurate. Why do you claim it's not, but refuse to address it? Why do you refuse to address the facts of what Trump said? Why do you refuse to acknowledge your new position is different from your old? Why do you refuse to provide an example of Trump's comments being deliberately stripped of context to present a false narrative of what he said? Why do you hide from addressing real issues?

Yes...I'll agree with that. Nobody...not even you...should take anybody's words out of context.
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And I don't. But, unlike you, I also don't excuse people for doing so. Whereas you seem to have no problem if someone deliberately removes context, so long as some other child has done it first.

and crying because the other side does it is useless.
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I don't have sides. I prefer facts and reality over team politics. You're playing team politics. You have sides.
Especially when the person crying is being hypocritical enough to be doing the same thing themselves. (which was my point all along)
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Your (new) point is childish. Which has been my point all along.

Why is it so hard for people to have a modicum of honesty and integrity? Why is it so difficult for you to admit that you shouldn't take, or excuse those who take, words out of context for political advantage? Why do you insist on the childish "they do it too" defense?
 
Slyfox696 said:
Your (new) point...
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My point isn't new...unless you didn't read my first and second post on this subject.


Mycroft said:
Because many people jump at the chance to make a big deal about some innocuous thing a politician happens to say.

My question is how Obama could say this knowing from experience that people would jump on it? Is he slipping? Or does he just not care anymore?
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Mycroft said:
And there are some Obama lovers who get their panties in a twist when words from the guy they like gets twisted all out of whack to essentially create a lying perception of the guy...but jump in with both feet when people do the same with people they don't like.

Turnabout is fair play, don't you think?
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Mycroft said:
My point isn't new...unless you didn't read my first and second post on this subject.
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I did read it. Your position is definitely new, as I've already noted.

Again, why do you refuse to address the issues? Why won't you provide any of those things I asked for?
 
Slyfox696 said:
I did read it. Your position is definitely new, as I've already noted.

Again, why do you refuse to address the issues? Why won't you provide any of those things I asked for?
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I already told you...I'm not going to address your weasel-worded, disingenuous, spun BS. No matter how much you beg me to, I might add.

You are dismissed.


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Mycroft said:
I already told you...I'm not going to address your weasel-worded, disingenuous, spun BS.
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Because you can't. Because you know your entire argument boils down to "but the other child did it too". And because you know I'm 100% correct about what Trump said.

It's exactly what I'm coming to expect from those who excuse Trump. Facts, reality and logic don't matter.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Because you can't. Because you know your entire argument boils down to "but the other child did it too". And because you know I'm 100% correct about what Trump said.

It's exactly what I'm coming to expect from those who excuse Trump. Facts, reality and logic don't matter.
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shrug...

Keep begging. I don't care. It makes you look pathetic, but hey...that's your choice.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Keep begging. I don't care. It makes you look pathetic, but hey...that's your choice.
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Oh, I'm not begging. I'm just giving you every opportunity to provide a post of honesty and integrity. Your continued refusal to do so is not surprising to me.
 
Zyphlin said:
President makes a joke, people stupidly get upset, news at 11

:roll:
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Perhaps you're right. He has no sense of humor. If this was a joke and not simply whining then it was almost as funny as telling reporters Air Force One was stopping so he could visit Hugo Chavez...back when Chavez was still alive.
 
Patrickt said:
You do realize the Constitution isn't forcing him out? Oh, perhaps you haven't read it either. At best, it's a misconception on the part of a liberal who's not familiar with the Constitution.

If he were a lawyer who was familiar with the Constitution he would have realized his term of office is up. A lawyer familiar with the Contitution would have said, "I'm not quitting but my term of office is up." But, no, he doesn't understand.

No one, and nothing, is forcing him out of office. Perhaps they should have forced him out when he first began ruling and violating Constitutional provisions but they didn't so forcing him out when his term of office is up would be rather pointless.

Liberals don't understand a constitutional form of government. They only grasp the concept of dictatorships.
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So you've started a thread to engage in the fine art of hair splitting, along with the obligatory Obama/liberal/Democrat bashing of course. Got it! :roll:
 
American said:
He got those earnings while in office. I don't give a **** what he does afterward.
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Right, he's paid a salary as POTUS, which he earned while in office doing the job he's paid to do. What's the problem?
 
Casca XV said:
Obama calls the Constitution "A Charter of Negative Liberties"
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And.... I guess you're confused about that that means, because it's just a fact that the document primarily outlines a series of negative liberties. Your political philosophy (libertarianism) is almost entirely based on the concept of negative liberties.

The 2nd Amendment is a negative liberty, so is the 1st, etc......
 
Slyfox696 said:
Uh, you know he's referring to the Constitution when he says he's being forced out, right?
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Don't tell that to Breitbart readers. Their heads will explode.

And Breitbart for mainstream news? What's next? The Daily kos? The Obama Sucks Daily? The Daily Republicans Like to Rotate their fingers in their asses paper?
 
JasperL said:
And.... I guess you're confused about that that means, because it's just a fact that the document primarily outlines a series of negative liberties. Your political philosophy (libertarianism) is almost entirely based on the concept of negative liberties.

The 2nd Amendment is a negative liberty, so is the 1st, etc......
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Exactly, and that's why the US Constitution is so beautiful. It tells us what government cannot do. By contrast, The Texas Constitution tells us what governments can do. It has been amended thousands of times, and just the amendments to the Texas Constitution take up more than 30 volumes. It sucks to be a lawyer in Texas. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
Exactly, and that's why the US Constitution is so beautiful. It tells us what government cannot do. By contrast, The Texas Constitution tells us what governments can do. It has been amended thousands of times, and just the amendments to the Texas Constitution take up more than 30 volumes. It sucks to be a lawyer in Texas. LOL.
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I had no idea, wouldn't have thought it possible, to amend a constitution that much. I'll have to read about that - totally surprises me. :peace
 
Aunt Spiker said:
lol - Being hopeful that the people would elect him for a 3rd.

But one thing that pissed me off with Bush was how they jumped all over **** he said while golfing . . . it seemed pendantic and errant. I'm not going to give a rats ass over anything Obama says while golfing. The dude's been president for 8 years - he needs a break.
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Even if Obama wanted a third term, Michelle won't let him do it. He's said many times that she's pretty eager to get out of there. Can't say I blame her.
 
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