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Melania Trump speech appears to plagiarize Michelle Obama

Threegoofs said:
Well, my third cousin at Oxford once removed once knew a guy at Penn who had an uncle at Columbia that says you're wrong.
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How do you know if someone went to Harvard? Just wait 20 seconds...he will tell you.
 
Wiggen said:
Actually you have no idea whether semi-literate peasants from Central and South America have it easy getting here or not, and the truth is, you don't care as long as they're around to pick the fruit and clean the motels and take care of yards.
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To be clear, I don't care how hard, or easy illegal aliens have it while trying to invade the United States. They shouldn't be here illegally, PERIOD.

Every hardship is THEIR choice. Deportation of illegal alien children was a possibility THEY created. Being deported themselves and putting their legal children in jeopardy is a decision THEY made.

As to what the truth is, your comment is ridiculous. Try to be at least a tiny bit intelligent in your responses. It might stimulate meaningful discussion.
 
apdst said:
Or, you could just ask me. That's an option. I've already said what I think of it, but maybe you didn't notice that post in the quagmire.
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Okay, then answer the question. Or do you want to drag this out a few more posts?
 
tres borrachos said:
Okay, then answer the question. Or do you want to drag this out a few more posts?
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As I daid, earlier, it's stupid to make a big deal out of this; totally lacking in substance, I might add.
 
TheGoverness said:
He did? When?
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That's actually a good point. No one at the top of the campaign including Trump has admitted or taken responsibility for anything. They sent the hired help out to fall on her sword and that's it.
 
JasperL said:
LMAO, the speech by Trump's wife is so bad, and she's so incompetent as a speaker, that no one in Trump's campaign should care enough about what she said to check it? You're really going with that argument? :lamo
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It's really a nothing issue, in spite of all the breathless hand wringing going on.

Have sent your email to Michelle Obama to encourage her to sue over this travesty yet?
 
Moon said:
It's really a nothing issue, in spite of all the breathless hand wringing going on.

Have sent your email to Michelle Obama to encourage her to sue over this travesty yet?
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OK, so you're NOT going with the "The Trump campaign recognized Mrs. Trump's speech was so terrible, about what one could expect from any HS senior, that no one bothered to vet it for plagiarism" defense and have changed it to the "it's not a big deal" defense. Good plan!! :lamo

BTW, if the story that "it's all the fault of the hired help!!" is legit, Mrs. Trump was inspired by Michelle Obama's words, which is how they got into her speech. So someone thought they were better than the average commencement address, even if you didn't.

And why would Michelle sue (presumably for damages), why would I care whether she does or not, and how in the world is whether she sues or not relevant to anything?

This thread has been hilarious watching Trump lemmings go round and round with their evolving rationalizations for what amounts to laziness and incompetence by the Trump campaign. So there's been no 'breathless hand wringing" from me - just enjoying the hilarity of watching you guys twist yourselves into knots defending Trump and his team.
 
JasperL said:
OK, so you're NOT going with the "The Trump campaign recognized Mrs. Trump's speech was so terrible, about what one could expect from any HS senior, that no one bothered to vet it for plagiarism" defense and have changed it to the "it's not a big deal" defense. Good plan!! :lamo

BTW, if the story that "it's all the fault of the hired help!!" is legit, Mrs. Trump was inspired by Michelle Obama's words, which is how they got into her speech. So someone thought they were better than the average commencement address, even if you didn't.

And why would Michelle sue (presumably for damages), why would I care whether she does or not, and how in the world is whether she sues or not relevant to anything?

This thread has been hilarious watching Trump lemmings go round and round with their evolving rationalizations for what amounts to laziness and incompetence by the Trump campaign. So there's been no 'breathless hand wringing" from me - just enjoying the hilarity of watching you guys twist yourselves into knots defending Trump and his team.
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Never said the speech was "so terrible". I don't care about her speech and I'm not voting for Trump. The fun is watching the screeching from the left (you included) about how she plagiarized her speech. If it's such a big deal, then Michelle should sue for damages. That's how the system is supposed to work. Or you can just keep screeching.
 
Moon said:
Never said the speech was "so terrible". I don't care about her speech and I'm not voting for Trump. The fun is watching the screeching from the left (you included) about how she plagiarized her speech. If it's such a big deal, then Michelle should sue for damages. That's how the system is supposed to work. Or you can just keep screeching.
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You said the speech was, quoting you, "pretty generic bilge." :shrug:

I've never said it's a "big deal" - it was a hhhuuuuuuggggge PR flub, unless he wanted all the focus for over a day to be on his wife's speech and plagiarism charges, but meaningless in the big picture. It has been entertaining, though, which I appreciate!

And whether Michelle does or doesn't sue for damages is, in any case, a stupid way to evaluate whether this case is a "big deal" or not. Very few even "big deal" cases of plagiarism involve lawsuits for damages or anything else. Mostly the penalty is loss of a job, a failing grade or other academic penalty, loss of prestige, professional reputation, and/or the discrediting of your written works.
 
disneydude said:
After the release of the statement by the phantom speech writer.
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It's a minor point, but she released a statement on Trump Organization letterhead (not the campaign) and I haven't seen Trump or anyone from Trump's campaign admit or take responsibility for anything.
 
JasperL said:
Ah, both sides do it. Novel defense. Only about the 30th person on this thread to make this point...
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So the whole thread is useless, right?
 
coldjoint said:
So the whole thread is useless, right?
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Not sure what your point is. I learned about age 4 or so that, "But mom, Billy did it too" isn't an effective defense of anything.
 
JasperL said:
Not sure what your point is. I learned about age 4 or so that, "But mom, Billy did it too" isn't an effective defense of anything.
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Exactly. But Billy did not have multiple networks broadcasting it in a negative light.
 
disneydude said:
Even Trump has finally admitted it....so you can stop your failed attempts at spin now.
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I am not spinning anything. It's just a reality. Ever hear the phrase "There is nothing new under the sun."? There is very few ways to convey the message of "Your word is your bond" or list traits such as those listed. Hell, Michelle Obama ripped the line from somewhere as well. All speeches do. Especially over used cliches. That's all I am saying..
 
austrianecon said:
I am not spinning anything. It's just a reality. Ever hear the phrase "There is nothing new under the sun."? There is very few ways to convey the message of "Your word is your bond" or list traits such as those listed. Hell, Michelle Obama ripped the line from somewhere as well. All speeches do. Especially over used cliches. That's all I am saying..
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It wasn't "a line" - it was most of a paragraph. The writer admitted she was read the speech, copied the lines down, incorporated them into the speech. That's the textbook example of what plagiarism is....
 
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