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In Historic NLRB Ruling, Temps Win the Right To Join Unions

and we would be correct

the applicant applies for a bargaining unit job

at the time of application they would know the job is one that requires union dues payment as a condition of employment (in non-right-to-work states)

to avoid being a dues paying union member they should avoid applying for a union represented job

nothing magical or diabolical about that. straight forward. but some seem unable to comprehend the very simple policy
The union doesn't own the company. So a applicant shouldn't be forced to be part of a union as a condition of getting that job. If unions don't want to represent non-union members then push for a change in the law much the same way states are pushing for right to work laws.
 
I agree unions are the problem. The rest of your post I don't agree with as much.


No one should be forced to join an organization they fell doesn't benefit them as a condition of employmet.


As for freeloading. At my job the laziest and least productive workers are union members. The union doesn't try to make them more productive, they defend them. They talk a good game but in the end hurt rather then help hard workers then defend the worst. At lest that has been my experience.

"The laziest and least productive workers are union"

Bull sh!t bet you can't provide documentation backing that up
 
The union doesn't own the company. So a applicant shouldn't be forced to be part of a union as a condition of getting that job. If unions don't want to represent non-union members then push for a change in the law much the same way states are pushing for right to work laws.

who says unions dont want to represent all bargaining unit members
that is nothing advocated by the union
 
I see a lot of companies cutting back on temporary employees.
They are not going to want to deal with the nonsense.

Congrats to the NLB for tanking jobs for more people.
 
I see a lot of companies cutting back on temporary employees.
They are not going to want to deal with the nonsense.

Congrats to the NLB for tanking jobs for more people.

share with us how this makes rational sense

the business enterprises that needed help magically don't need that help any more?

or if they still do need those hours worked and choose not to place the work with the temp hires, who provides the work hours?
 
"The laziest and least productive workers are union"

Bull sh!t bet you can't provide documentation backing that up

I can verify that from personal experience.
 
In The United States?

Ah so now, in some desperate attempt to insist that I "Just don't understand" you're actually going to insist, that because I'm a Manager in a union environment in Canada, I just don't understand that as soon as you cross the border, Union workers become a bunch of lazy drooling idiots.

apdst, if you're going to be this, stunningly intellectually lazy.

Just don't come to play.
 
Ah so now, in some desperate attempt to insist that I "Just don't understand" you're actually going to insist, that because I'm a Manager in a union environment in Canada, I just don't understand that as soon as you cross the border, Union workers become a bunch of lazy drooling idiots.

apdst, if you're going to be this, stunningly intellectually lazy.

Just don't come to play.

Obviously, we're discussing union in The United States. Of you can't handle that reality, then don't troll my posts with references to Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin.
 
Obviously, we're discussing union in The United States.

So you're going to make the case that Unions are so VASTLY different between US and Canada that again, I have no idea what I'm talking about?

Of you can't handle that reality, then don't troll my posts with references to Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin.

I'm not sure i'm the one who can't handle reality.

But actually I do apologize, I shouldn't have brought Michelle or Alex into this, what you said wasn't crazy, like in Alex's MO, or ignorant as in Michelle's MO.

No to say something as downright dishonest as this:

At my job the laziest and least productive workers are union members.

I can verify that from personal experience.

It would have to be inspired by Ann Coulter, your heroine.
 
So you're going to make the case that Unions are so VASTLY different between US and Canada that again, I have no idea what I'm talking about?



I'm not sure i'm the one who can't handle reality.

But actually I do apologize, I shouldn't have brought Michelle or Alex into this, what you said wasn't crazy, like in Alex's MO, or ignorant as in Michelle's MO.

No to say something as downright dishonest as this:





It would have to be inspired by Ann Coulter, your heroine.

Have you ever worked a union job in The United States? Yes, or no?
 
Right, but if there is a union, that union is still required to represent the freeloaders, whether they want to or not.



That's true. Why is it any different than the argument, "Free market types claim no one is forced to work for minimum wage since they don't have to apply and accept that job" What changes when you substitute "join a union" for 'working for minimum wage'?

Except that many of we free market supporters want to see people earn a lot more than minimum wage. A union culture is hostile to craftsmanship and pride in one's work.
 
share with us how this makes rational sense

the business enterprises that needed help magically don't need that help any more?

or if they still do need those hours worked and choose not to place the work with the temp hires, who provides the work hours?

It isn't magical help.
However ifthe cost of the help exceeds their value then the company will do something about it.

This is something liberals fail to understand about business every time.
 
Except that many of we free market supporters want to see people earn a lot more than minimum wage. A union culture is hostile to craftsmanship and pride in one's work.

No it's not. If it were no one would accept union training (think apprenticeships) as valid, nor would our workplaces be safer and more productive then countries where unions do not exist.

The non union Boeing workers in South Carolina still can't build an acceptable jet that doesn't have to be sent to Everett to get fixed
 
It isn't magical help.
However ifthe cost of the help exceeds their value then the company will do something about it.
your 'solution' was for the business to discontinue using the temp workers they were formerly using
a business hires labor because it needs the labor to perform work essential to the business' operations
if that labor no longer comes from temp workers, where does it come from?
the need for labor does not just go away

This is something liberals fail to understand about business every time.
your posts only illustrate an ignorance of basic business fundamentals
you presume that labor formerly required all of a sudden is no longer needed - only because temp employees performing that labor can now join unions. that is a bogus assumption devoid of business management knowledge or understanding
 
your 'solution' was for the business to discontinue using the temp workers they were formerly using
a business hires labor because it needs the labor to perform work essential to the business' operations
if that labor no longer comes from temp workers, where does it come from?
the need for labor does not just go away
They could outsource it to a different company.
That of they hire a few of them full time and let the rest go.

They will find a way to reduce the cost.

your posts only illustrate an ignorance of basic business fundamentals
you presume that labor formerly required all of a sudden is no longer needed - only because temp employees performing that labor can now join unions. that is a bogus assumption devoid of business management knowledge or understanding

Yes your post is as proven already.
If you raise the cost of labor which this will do if these temp people decide to join the union then the company will take measures to recoil that cost. That is what businesses do.

Yep is the cost of the help exceeds the value companies find a way to reduce that cost.
Whether that is man power or outsourcing two someone else.
 
They could outsource it to a different company.
yes, they could
they could use a temporary staffing agency's employees and the premium that comes with such hire
have you ever figured out how to cut costs [/s]. now you are going to pay a 15-30% premium to a staffing agency on top of the hourly wage of the temp worker


That of they hire a few of them full time and let the rest go.
you forget. they have now become union represented employees
how they are able to discharge them will be as is negotiated in the labor-management contract

They will find a way to reduce the cost.
maybe they will. but it will not result from following your "advice"



Yes your post is as proven already.
it has proven which of the two of us knows what they are posting about

If you raise the cost of labor which this will do if these temp people decide to join the union then the company will take measures to recoil that cost. That is what businesses do.
what will the employers be able to do to mitigate the costs
my bet is you have NO idea

Yep is the cost of the help exceeds the value companies find a way to reduce that cost.
Whether that is man power or outsourcing two someone else.
now, the cost is going to be the cost of a employee under a union contract
and eliminating that non-essential employee will be determined by the terms of the labor-management contract
and how the employer brings on the temporary help will be determined by that same contract
no where have you shown us how the employer is going to be able to minimize costs
but here's another chance
tell us what they would do
hint: there are some ways
let's see if you can figure them out
 
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