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Trump's Swipe at Martinez Alarms GOP

QuadpolarNutjob said:
False. the GOP was hijacked by the religious right, we true moderate conservatives are taking it back.
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Arbitrarily banning all Muslims from entering the US is a 'moderate' stance? Telling people to beat up others is a 'moderate' stance? Using 20 year old rumors to attack rivals is a 'moderate' action? Since when?
 
Cyrylek said:
The number usually quoted is a little higher: $40 million in 1974, when he became the president of his dad's RE firm. But then there were many more injections, usually in the form of cheap loans, and, finally, a much-disputed amount of final inheritance, when his father died in 1999.
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When he became President of the firm, Trump was earning money for the firm, and probably at a faster rate than his father had. Thus, the initial seed money of 40 million cannot be counted a true windfall inheritance. Forbes lists Trump's self made score as a '5' on a scale of 1-10 as he did inherit or had access to a small or medium size fortune, then turned it into billions.

http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/...silver-spooners-to-boostrappers/#3863409a7d40
 
MrT said:
Trump's Swipe at Martinez Alarms GOP | RealClearPolitics



Trump took a very public and dramatic swing at a rising star within the GOP ranks. Governor Martinez is a twice-elected Republican Governor from a historically democratic state with a high hispanic population. She is often cited as a potential VP pick specifically because she could, theoretically, help with Mr. Trump's disapproval amongst Latinos and Females.

So why did Trump take a swing at Martinez?



But that seems really pathetic doesn't it? I mean there are several other prominent Republicans who have yet to endorse Trump - Paul Ryan being a very prominent example who has not endorsed Trump despite false allegations made by Manafort. Could Martinez's race or sex be at least one of the reasons Trump is willing to attack her and not Ryan?

The single best defense that I have seen from Trump surrogates is that Trump is showing his willingness to stand up to colleagues who aren't getting the job done. This is at least a semi-viable argument...although it does have the inevitable effect of helping your colleagues to lose their job. The worst defense is that Trump is attacking her out of frustration at being slow to endorse him. Is the man really so childish and so stupid as to think that attacking these individuals publicly will help garner their support?

Apparently, Martinez does not take kindly to these childish and bullying attacks.
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Trump, and the GOP embrace of his idiocy drove the party from me. This buffoon is appalling.
 
MrT said:
Even if it were the "truth" (and frankly, I could give two ****s about trying to defend her economic record - even though other Prominent Republicans have done so) - why is it a good idea for a Presidential candidate trying to represent the Republican party to publicly attack the economic record of a rising star within the Republican party?

Particularly when attacking a hispanic female only helps to further solidify the narrative that Trump does not like females or hispanics?
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IOW, anyone who criticizes a minority is a racist, or a sexist
 
apdst said:
IOW, anyone who criticizes a minority is a racist, or a sexist
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No no...in whack job liberal land any conservative that criticizes any woman or minority is a sexist and/or racist. And any liberal that opposes a conservative woman or minority is fine.
 
VanceMack said:
No no...in whack job liberal land any conservative that criticizes any woman or minority is a sexist and/or racist. And any liberal that opposes a conservative woman or minority is fine.
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In whack job liberal land Conservative women are known as white trash and blacks are known as Uncle Tom.
 
Cryptic said:
When he became President of the firm, Trump was earning money for the firm, and probably at a faster rate than his father had. Thus, the initial seed money of 40 million cannot be counted a true windfall inheritance. Forbes lists Trump's self made score as a '5' on a scale of 1-10 as he did inherit or had access to a small or medium size fortune, then turned it into billions.

http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/...silver-spooners-to-boostrappers/#3863409a7d40
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How much of that was because of Trump is subject to scrutiny. He relied on "loans" from daddy to bail him out and his father's connections until the day he died. All he did was inherit an empire and ride the coattails of his father. He's fallen flat on his face every time he wandered off the reservation. He is really good at making obvious decisions such as, I can make money if I buy a rent-controlled building overlooking Central Park, evict everyone and remodel it into million dollar condos but his business savy isn't such that he would be where he is today without the silver spoon and all the groundwork laid for him. Without those things, he'd just be another Billy Mays with a wig.
 
Cardinal said:
You know, generally the way that language works is one person uses words, and the listener/reader interprets those words and turns them into images.
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and an image once seen, even in the mind's eye, can't be unseen.
 
MrT said:
Trump's Swipe at Martinez Alarms GOP | RealClearPolitics



Trump took a very public and dramatic swing at a rising star within the GOP ranks. Governor Martinez is a twice-elected Republican Governor from a historically democratic state with a high hispanic population. She is often cited as a potential VP pick specifically because she could, theoretically, help with Mr. Trump's disapproval amongst Latinos and Females.

So why did Trump take a swing at Martinez?



But that seems really pathetic doesn't it? I mean there are several other prominent Republicans who have yet to endorse Trump - Paul Ryan being a very prominent example who has not endorsed Trump despite false allegations made by Manafort. Could Martinez's race or sex be at least one of the reasons Trump is willing to attack her and not Ryan?

The single best defense that I have seen from Trump surrogates is that Trump is showing his willingness to stand up to colleagues who aren't getting the job done. This is at least a semi-viable argument...although it does have the inevitable effect of helping your colleagues to lose their job. The worst defense is that Trump is attacking her out of frustration at being slow to endorse him. Is the man really so childish and so stupid as to think that attacking these individuals publicly will help garner their support?

Apparently, Martinez does not take kindly to these childish and bullying attacks.
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Regarding Trump's behavior - you have to realize that A) She's Hispanic, and B) She's a woman. Two groups Trump needs absolutely no support from - just ask him, he'll tell you. Oh, and she's also actually governed - something Trump has zero experience with.
 
Renae said:
Trump, and the GOP embrace of his idiocy drove the party from me. This buffoon is appalling.
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And he's the nominee of the party of Lincoln! Congratulations, guys!
 
VanceMack said:
No no...in whack job liberal land any conservative that criticizes any woman or minority is a sexist and/or racist. And any liberal that opposes a conservative woman or minority is fine.
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In what universe does that post qualify as 'Independent'? Can't you at least be honest with your leans?
 
MrT said:
Even if it were the "truth" (and frankly, I could give two ****s about trying to defend her economic record - even though other Prominent Republicans have done so) - why is it a good idea for a Presidential candidate trying to represent the Republican party to publicly attack the economic record of a rising star within the Republican party?

Particularly when attacking a hispanic female only helps to further solidify the narrative that Trump does not like females or hispanics?
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It passed the 'narrative' stage some time ago. It's just fact now.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
As far as I can tell, Trump doesn't think in terms of strategy. Whatever feels right for him to say or do at the time, that's what he'll say or do. He's like a chess player who never, ever looks beyond his next move.

Yet these people want him with his finger on the nuclear button. Gee, what could possibly go wrong?
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He is truly the most frightening man ever to be the nominee of a major political party. Impulsive and reckless are two of the nicer adjectives that can be applied to him.
 
Wiggen said:
In what universe does that post qualify as 'Independent'? Can't you at least be honest with your leans?
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Says the guy with a 'slightly liberal' moniker? :lamo

I'm fiscally conservative. Overall... I'm a Kennedy democrat. Todays liberal? Dood....they arent even political. Just...goofy.
 
apdst said:
IOW, anyone who criticizes a minority is a racist, or a sexist
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I'm sorry - were you expecting political attacks to comport to your notion of fairness?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
It's been shown that Trump would have made more money over the years by sticking what he got from his dad into an index fund and letting it sit and grow. But he decided that he was a great businessman...and made less money as a result.

In other words, he's not as savvy a businessman as you might think. Not only that, but he's a snake-oil salesman, too - just ask most people who "attended" Trump University.

What he is...is loud. He's Yosemite Sam writ large...and with about as much common sense. Thing is - and just like in the old cartoons - such people are so easily manipulated...and that's what those who are eager to harm America see right away - all they have to do is poke him in the right way, and he'll do just what they expect him to do...against the people they want him to do it to.
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He could have parked that money and took of sailing for the rest of his life. He chose to put some skin in the game instead, and has had far more winners than losers.

I think he has done very well.
 
Napoleon said:
How much of that was because of Trump is subject to scrutiny. He relied on "loans" from daddy to bail him out and his father's connections until the day he died. All he did was inherit an empire and ride the coattails of his father. He's fallen flat on his face every time he wandered off the reservation. He is really good at making obvious decisions such as, I can make money if I buy a rent-controlled building overlooking Central Park, evict everyone and remodel it into million dollar condos but his business savy isn't such that he would be where he is today without the silver spoon and all the groundwork laid for him. Without those things, he'd just be another Billy Mays with a wig.
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I relied on a couple loans to make improvements to my home repair business. I relied heavily on real a estate broker, real estate agents, and some of their connections for keeping me busy.

Am I a loser also?
 
I find it ironic that the left looks for every reason to hate Donald J Trump. In truth, he's a moderate, he shares many of their ideas. If he had a (D) after his name they would be embracing him as the second coming.
 
MrT said:
Trump's Swipe at Martinez Alarms GOP | RealClearPolitics



Trump took a very public and dramatic swing at a rising star within the GOP ranks. Governor Martinez is a twice-elected Republican Governor from a historically democratic state with a high hispanic population. She is often cited as a potential VP pick specifically because she could, theoretically, help with Mr. Trump's disapproval amongst Latinos and Females.

So why did Trump take a swing at Martinez?
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Because she attacked him!


Ms. Martinez has been critical of Mr. Trump. She has declined to endorse him, expressed concerns about him at closed-door party gatherings and did not appear at his rally here because, she told reporters, she was “really busy.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/donald-trump-gov-susana-martinez-new-mexico.html?_r=0



When someone goes around publicly bad-mouthing you......she's entered the fray, and has made herself, fair game.
You've got every right to fire back.
 
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Southern Dad said:
I find it ironic that the left looks for every reason to hate Donald J Trump. In truth, he's a moderate, he shares many of their ideas. If he had a (D) after his name they would be embracing him as the second coming.
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Given the way that he speaks, his mannerisms, his lack of experience, and his temperament - I highly, highly doubt that prediction.
 
tosca1 said:
Because she attacked him!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/donald-trump-gov-susana-martinez-new-mexico.html?_r=0
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If that were the deciding factor, then I would like to know why Trump doesn't attack folks like Rick Perry, who called him a cancer to conservatism?

Also, why is the fact that she "attacked him" a legitimate reason for Trump to attack her? Trump is running to be the Presidential nominee of the Republican Party. He should be a ****ing Presidential candidate and not a ****ing child by going tit-for-tat with someone from his own party. Stay on message.

But there’s something else going on: Donald Trump simply cannot let go of a grudge.

This is something he freely admits. He is always on the lookout for someone treating him “unfairly,” which to him means any kind of criticism, disagreement, or, if it comes from the press, tough questioning. And as he said in January, “When people treat me unfairly, I don’t let them forget it.”

Remarkably, Trump seems to think this is an admirable quality, that his never-ending desire for revenge on those he thinks have wronged him is something we should admire. And it might be tempting to see his willingness to go after fellow Republicans as laudable candor. He doesn’t engage in the rote back-and-forth cross-party sniping we’re so used to — he criticizes everybody! But the thing about criticizing people from the other party is that it has a purpose. It’s meant to persuade people that your side is right and their side is wrong. But what’s the purpose of criticizing your own allies? There is none. It’s just about lashing out, personal pique, indulging your hurt feelings.
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Trump’s attacks on other Republicans matter. They show he is unfit for the presidency.
 
MrT said:
No, but the argument goes like this - Trump has not attacked Paul Ryan despite his public unwillingness to support Trump just yet. Meanwhile, Martinez - who has done the same (merely withheld support for now) - is being attacked. The difference between these two individuals (they are both prominent and rising stars within the Republican Party after all) is their respective political positions, their race, and their sex.
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Trump didn't criticize Martinez for being female, or for her race.

She was criticized for her performance. But yes, I think it's a strategic attack that's meant to undermine Martinez' influence.
Trump is good at his game - no doubt about that. He's unpredictable, and doesn't seem to follow any political playbook - which is why he's so popular.

Btw, is there anything to criticize about Paul Ryan's job performance?
 
Southern Dad said:
I find it ironic that the left looks for every reason to hate Donald J Trump. In truth, he's a moderate, he shares many of their ideas. If he had a (D) after his name they would be embracing him as the second coming.
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Ummm no. He is an opportunist and has no 'ideals' past stroking his ahhh 'ego' in public- he is no moderate. He is playing the ultimate right wing snake oil salesman- more like Rush than a Rockefeller Republican. No moderate Republican would push the hate wave like The Orange Guy. If he had a (D) after his name his name would be George Wallace... :peace
 
tosca1 said:
Trump didn't criticize Martinez for being female, or for her race.

She was criticized for her performance. But yes, I think it's a strategic attack that's meant to undermine Martinez' influence.

Is there anything to criticize about Paul Ryan's job performance?
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Plenty.
 
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