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Ryan: I’ll step down as convention chairman if Trump asks

tres borrachos said:
What are the values of the Republican party that he represents?
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abortion, universal health care, raising the minimum wage, raising taxes, legalizing drugs..

Oh wait those are the Democratic ideals that Trump represents
 
Van Basten said:
A spoiled child for opposing some wretched populist, for not yielding to the tool brigade, for at least trying to be the conscious of the GOP? Sure, buddy.
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Nope the GOP is crying because they wanted people to vote for someone else.
in fact they basically came out and told people not to vote for trump.

it was the worst thing they could do. had they ignored him he probably would have
spun himself out, but they didn't.

now the establishment is acting like babies because they didn't get their way.
 
ludin said:
Nope the GOP is crying because they wanted people to vote for someone else.
in fact they basically came out and told people not to vote for trump.

it was the worst thing they could do. had they ignored him he probably would have
spun himself out, but they didn't.

now the establishment is acting like babies because they didn't get their way.
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The GOP probably didn't want a lifelong Democrat as their nominee.

They didn't have to tell me not to vote for Trump. I made that decision months ago. I'm not dumb enough to vote for a Democrat in the Republican primary.
 
ludin said:
Nope the GOP is crying because they wanted people to vote for someone else.
in fact they basically came out and told people not to vote for trump.

it was the worst thing they could do. had they ignored him he probably would have
spun himself out, but they didn't.

now the establishment is acting like babies because they didn't get their way.
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the establishment is acting like babies by offering to step down from the convention's chair upon the request of the presumptive GOP candidate
i don't see it
 
tres borrachos said:
The GOP probably didn't want a lifelong Democrat as their nominee.

They didn't have to tell me not to vote for Trump. I made that decision months ago. I'm not dumb enough to vote for a Democrat in the Republican primary.
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the only reason I will vote for trump and the only reason is that Hillary is worse.
 
tres borrachos said:
The man who supported the assault weapons ban is for 2nd Amendment rights?

Enforcing our laws is a "Republican" value and the Democrats advocate ignoring laws? Can you cite an example of that?
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Donald Trump's opinion on the 2nd amendment has evolved. I know you hate that so much but if the Republican establishment can accept Mitt Romney's flip flops, they can accept Trump's.

And yes Democrats favor ignoring and not enforcing our laws. If you had witnessed the Democratic Debate between Sanders and Hillary when they were in Florida they were competing to see which federal immigration laws they could ignore the most. It was really iconic to me.
 
reinoe said:
Donald Trump's opinion on the 2nd amendment has evolved. I know you hate that so much but if the Republican establishment can accept Mitt Romney's flip flops, they can accept Trump's.

And yes Democrats favor ignoring and not enforcing our laws. If you had witnessed the Democratic Debate between Sanders and Hillary when they were in Florida they were competing to see which federal immigration laws they could ignore the most. It was really iconic to me.
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It's evolved. :lamo
 
Crovax said:
abortion, universal health care, raising the minimum wage, raising taxes, legalizing drugs..

Oh wait those are the Democratic ideals that Trump represents
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I'm fine with raising taxes as long as we aren't creating deficeits. That's why I said "fiscal responsibility". If tax cuts don't balance the budget then you can't give tax cuts. You can't give tax cuts during a time a war. And legalizing drugs is very much about personal responsibility. Perhaps you're mistaking conservative values with authoritarian values? You seem to have a strong dislike, maybe even a hatred for people taking personal responsibility and feel that the government should be in charge of how we live our lives.
 
reinoe said:
I'm fine with raising taxes as long as we aren't creating deficeits. That's why I said "fiscal responsibility". If tax cuts don't balance the budget then you can't give tax cuts. You can't give tax cuts during a time a war. And legalizing drugs is very much about personal responsibility. Perhaps you're mistaking conservative values with authoritarian values? You seem to have a strong dislike, maybe even a hatred for people taking personal responsibility and feel that the government should be in charge of how we live our lives.
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Strawman much?

Perhaps you misunderstand that nature of conservatism and the prominence of conserving traditional values.
 
Crovax said:
Strawman much?

Perhaps you misunderstand that nature of conservatism and the prominence of conserving traditional values.
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I know that I became so fed up with what "conservatism" is that I mocked and scorned them all over this site. I frequently called "conservatism" a failed ideology much like communism: ie as soon as conservatives get in charge they can't actually operate the government by the tenets of conservative standards. I'm not a conservative. I've made that very clear all over the place. From what I've seen conservatism or whatever it is that the Republican party talks about: they stand for nothing. I mean literally nothing. As soon as liberals propose a policy conservatives stand against it.

War on drugs? Conservatives are inexplicably for it. Balanced budgets? Conservatives are only for it when Democrats are in charge otherwise they're fine with spending like drunken sailors. Law and order? No, Republicans have come dangerously close to openly advocating for amnesty. Conservatives, they're a joke and they discard their own ideals at the drop of a hat; or more likely at the drop of the almighty dollar. At least liberals are in your face and open about federal power grabs and dictating how we should live our lives. Conservatives say they are opposed to those things but then just do the same damn thing and give feeble excuses for doing so.
 
reinoe said:
I know that I became so fed up with what "conservatism" is that I mocked and scorned them all over this site. I frequently called "conservatism" a failed ideology much like communism: ie as soon as conservatives get in charge they can't actually operate the government by the tenets of conservative standards. I'm not a conservative. I've made that very clear all over the place. From what I've seen conservatism or whatever it is that the Republican party talks about: they stand for nothing. I mean literally nothing. As soon as liberals propose a policy conservatives stand against it.

War on drugs? Conservatives are inexplicably for it. Balanced budgets? Conservatives are only for it when Democrats are in charge otherwise they're fine with spending like drunken sailors. Law and order? No, Republicans have come dangerously close to openly advocating for amnesty. Conservatives, they're a joke and they discard their own ideals at the drop of a hat; or more likely at the drop of the almighty dollar. At least liberals are in your face and open about federal power grabs and dictating how we should live our lives. Conservatives say they are opposed to those things but then just do the same damn thing and give feeble excuses for doing so.
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seldom agree, but you nailed it with this post
at least regarding the pretend conservatives who were elected
 
ludin said:
Nope the GOP is crying because they wanted people to vote for someone else.
in fact they basically came out and told people not to vote for trump.

it was the worst thing they could do. had they ignored him he probably would have
spun himself out, but they didn't.

now the establishment is acting like babies because they didn't get their way.
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You a Trump supporter?
 
reinoe said:
Ryan needs to realize that if Trump doesn't represent the values of the Republican party then he wouldn't have won the nomination.
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If Trump represents the values of the Republican Party, the sickness is deeper and more systemic than anyone realized.
 
reinoe said:
I know that I became so fed up with what "conservatism" is that I mocked and scorned them all over this site. I frequently called "conservatism" a failed ideology much like communism: ie as soon as conservatives get in charge they can't actually operate the government by the tenets of conservative standards. I'm not a conservative. I've made that very clear all over the place. From what I've seen conservatism or whatever it is that the Republican party talks about: they stand for nothing. I mean literally nothing. As soon as liberals propose a policy conservatives stand against it.

War on drugs? Conservatives are inexplicably for it. Balanced budgets? Conservatives are only for it when Democrats are in charge otherwise they're fine with spending like drunken sailors. Law and order? No, Republicans have come dangerously close to openly advocating for amnesty. Conservatives, they're a joke and they discard their own ideals at the drop of a hat; or more likely at the drop of the almighty dollar. At least liberals are in your face and open about federal power grabs and dictating how we should live our lives. Conservatives say they are opposed to those things but then just do the same damn thing and give feeble excuses for doing so.
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Lucky you. This election cycle you picked a lifelong Liberal Democrat to support so you don't have to tolerate one of those evil conservatives.
 
reinoe said:
The "too many people running" argument doesn't hold water. Trump was swimming in the same pool of sharks that everyone else was swimming in.
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Those weren't sharks. The Republican candidates were a motly collection of unelectable losers. Trump was the one with trash-TV experience to guide him and now the GOP has exactly what they deserve, the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat.
 
tres borrachos said:
Lucky you. This election cycle you picked a lifelong Liberal Democrat to support so you don't have to tolerate one of those evil conservatives.
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Although Trump's not a liberal either.
 
Trump and Ryan will patch this up and move on to a convention united in purpose to win in November. He is not stepping down from anything and there is no chance Ryan will do anything but fall in line.

There is an old political saying: Democrats fall in love - Republicans fall in line. And we are seeing it all over the nation as one former Trump hater after another can't jump on the Trump bandwagon fast enough.
 
I don’t pretend to know all of the details but it seems like an obvious no-win trap to me. If Trump takes him up on the offer and asks him to step down, Trump looks cowardly and he looks conciliatory (or at least it’d be easily spun that way). If Trump doesn’t take him up on the offer to step down, he can claim a stronger “mandate” for whatever he does in that role at the convention.
 
Casper said:
VP? Ryan and The Donald do not share the same ideology there is no way Ryan would ever consider being a partner of Trumps. I warned that if The Donald got the nomination he would be stuck not only fighting with the Dems in Congress but also a large number of the Repubs, as we see that is exactly what is taking place. And yes even for some Repubs the lesser of the two evils is Hillary Clinton, I guess they see the Donald for who is and still believe the Nation is still more important than a Party Election Win. Good For Them.
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What exactly IS Trump's ideology?
 
Howler63 said:
What exactly IS Trump's ideology?
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No one knows for sure other than it is a Liberal one, one cannot run away from ones past, a past that encompasses his life all the way up to announcing he was running for the GOP Presidential nomination.
 
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