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Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

Crovax said:
You cant understand why a 2nd income wife making a some extra money and passing time wouldn't want to go to a more stressful position with worse hours or why a retiree drawing ss and working part time wouldnt want to make more money and cut into their ss benefits?

Edit: how much do you think a person who is in the base tier of hourly management and has worked at walmart for 20 years makes?
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not enough to refuse raises and promotions. not everyone who works at walmart is a retired greeter.

FFS, i don't want to close your precious walmart or to force it to pay a higher base salary. i just want to see better working conditions at the nations's largest employer so that people can work and stay off of public assistance. why does that piss you off?
 
Helix said:
not enough to refuse raises and promotions. not everyone who works at walmart is a retired greeter.

FFS, i don't want to close your precious walmart or to force it to pay a higher base salary. i just want to see better working conditions at the nations's largest employer so that people can work and stay off of public assistance. why does that piss you off?
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You seem to be the only one pissed off, you dont know a thing about how walmart actually works and how the retail business works
 
Crovax said:
You seem to be the only one pissed off, you dont know a thing about how walmart actually works and how the retail business works
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dude, i'm not pissed off. i just want a system in which people have better upward mobility and access to job training and education so that they aren't on public assistance long term. that's what a union should be asking for instead of $15 an hour minimum wage.
 
Helix said:
dude, i'm not pissed off. i just want a system in which people have better upward mobility and access to job training and education so that they aren't on public assistance long term. that's what a union should be asking for instead of $15 an hour minimum wage.
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And once again im telling you that walmart has lots of lower tier management positions already, how many more should they add?
 
Crovax said:
And once again im telling you that walmart has lots of lower tier management positions already, how many more should they add?
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more, apparently.

come on, man. you know you'd rather have people working their way up the ladder than drawing public assistance. can we at least agree on that? if you have to pay a buck more for tide, isn't it worth it?
 
Helix said:
more, apparently.

come on, man. you know you'd rather have people working their way up the ladder than drawing public assistance. can we at least agree on that? if you have to pay a buck more for tide, isn't it worth it?
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How does making someone more comfortable in the rung they are on encourage them to work their way up the ladder?
 
Declan said:
How does making someone more comfortable in the rung they are on encourage them to work their way up the ladder?
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How does requiring ~25% of people to earn chicken scratch encourage this nation to work it's way up the ladder?

The United States Leads in Low-Wage Work and the Lowest Wages for Low-Wage Workers | Economic Policy Institute
In the United States, according to the OECD, 25.3 percent of workers had “low-pay”—earning less than two-thirds of the median wage—which was the highest incidence of low-pay work among the twenty-six countries surveyed and far higher than the OECD average of 16.3 percent.
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These jobs are non-negotiable. People may think they're easy, for idiots, and the people that work them are expendable, but if any job is going to exist in this country, it is these. The cashiers, waitresses, janitors, etc. So your idea that they can just "work their way up the ladder" is a fallacy, because our economy requires that they don't. We have to have uneducated, cheap and expendable labor.
 
Declan said:
How does making someone more comfortable in the rung they are on encourage them to work their way up the ladder?
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i didn't argue to increase the base pay. i argued for more opportunities for promotion and raises, as well as increased control over schedules so that the workers can enjoy more middle class benefits. this is why i think that the workers should organize.
 
Helix said:
more, apparently.

come on, man. you know you'd rather have people working their way up the ladder than drawing public assistance. can we at least agree on that? if you have to pay a buck more for tide, isn't it worth it?
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Ok then once again I ask, what % of the jobs at a walmart store should be some type of management level?
 
Crovax said:
Ok then once again I ask, what % of the jobs at a walmart store should be some type of management level?
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and i answered you. there needs to be more opportunity to climb the ladder so that these workers aren't drawing public assistance. Walmart can still make a profit.

you guys bitch constantly about "takers," i tell you how to solve the problem, and then you bitch about that, too. FFS, have a glass of egg nog, and be happy that you aren't doomed to a life of random retail work in which you don't even know what hours you're working next week.
 
Helix said:
i didn't argue to increase the base pay. i argued for more opportunities for promotion and raises, as well as increased control over schedules so that the workers can enjoy more middle class benefits. this is why i think that the workers should organize.
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So they should be required to have a caboose in every store and a person sitting in the caboose even though the caboose isn't needed but the union keeps the caboose in the store so the person who sits in the caboose has a job? Seems pretty economically wasteful to me.
 
Declan said:
So they should be required to have a caboose in every store and a person sitting in the caboose even though the caboose isn't needed but the union keeps the caboose in the store so the person who sits in the caboose has a job? Seems pretty economically wasteful to me.
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no, they should encourage workers to work hard and be loyal, and reward them for that hard work via more promotions and raises. entry level jobs are always going to pay ****, but every company benefits from workers who are trying to climb the ladder. i mean, yeah, **** is cheap there, but make it a touch more expensive and help the workers to stay off of public assistance.
 
whysoserious said:
How does requiring ~25% of people to earn chicken scratch encourage this nation to work it's way up the ladder?

The United States Leads in Low-Wage Work and the Lowest Wages for Low-Wage Workers | Economic Policy Institute


These jobs are non-negotiable. People may think they're easy, for idiots, and the people that work them are expendable, but if any job is going to exist in this country, it is these. The cashiers, waitresses, janitors, etc. So your idea that they can just "work their way up the ladder" is a fallacy, because our economy requires that they don't. We have to have uneducated, cheap and expendable labor.
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Cashiers are already being replaced by self-checkout kiosks and McDonald's will be deploying 2,000 touch screen ordering kiosks in the very near future similar to what Sheetz uses in their stores' kitchens. Our economy does not require any of that you said--the corporate model does. Go to a mom and pop shop where mom or pop work the register, clean the floors, cooks the food, takes your order, drives the tractor, picks the lettuce if you so desire. You will create more jobs shunning multi-national businesses than by frequenting them.
 
Declan said:
Cashiers are already being replaced by self-checkout kiosks and McDonald's will be deploying 2,000 touch screen ordering kiosks in the very near future similar to what Sheetz uses in their stores' kitchens. Our economy does not require any of that you said--the corporate model does. Go to a mom and pop shop where mom or pop work the register, clean the floors, cooks the food, takes your order, drives the tractor, picks the lettuce if you so desire. You will create more jobs shunning multi-national businesses than by frequenting them.
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Agreed - sort of. I generally don't like when people bitch and then don't have a solution, but I guess I'm that guy today. I don't know the best way to fix our societies economic injustices, I just know it's ****ed up. I know when people say, "well they should have worked harder and they could have climbed the ladder", it's nonsense. Everyone can't work harder and climb the ladder - it's just not possible in our current economy. Someone has to stay behind and wait on people and clean up their ****.

So while I can't say how to fix it, all I can say is at least treat these people with respect.
 
Helix said:
and i answered you. there needs to be more opportunity to climb the ladder so that these workers aren't drawing public assistance. Walmart can still make a profit.

you guys bitch constantly about "takers," i tell you how to solve the problem, and then you bitch about that, too. FFS, have a glass of egg nog, and be happy that you aren't doomed to a life of random retail work in which you don't even know what hours you're working next week.
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You haven't answered me at all, what % of a stores jobs should be management type positions for there to be an adequate opportunity to climb the ladder?
 
Helix said:
no, they should encourage workers to work hard and be loyal, and reward them for that hard work via more promotions and raises. entry level jobs are always going to pay ****, but every company benefits from workers who are trying to climb the ladder. i mean, yeah, **** is cheap there, but make it a touch more expensive and help the workers to stay off of public assistance.
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"They" have a duty to the stockholders above the employees. Walmart is one of the largest employers in the world behind like the Chinese railroad. If they need a worker, they have them already or will get them in due course. If you want to create jobs, you would be better off saying "Amazon, be more like Walmart and build some stores".
 
whysoserious said:
Agreed - sort of. I generally don't like when people bitch and then don't have a solution, but I guess I'm that guy today. I don't know the best way to fix our societies economic injustices, I just know it's ****ed up. I know when people say, "well they should have worked harder and they could have climbed the ladder", it's nonsense. Everyone can't work harder and climb the ladder - it's just not possible in our current economy. Someone has to stay behind and wait on people and clean up their ****.

So while I can't say how to fix it, all I can say is at least treat these people with respect.
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There is a fundamental flaw in most people's economic analysis that I have referenced here before. It is called the productivity paradox. People are engrained with the concept of the alleged economy of scale because business wants business majors to believe the propaganda. Very often, the economy of scale is exactly the opposite what people believe. Small farms are more productive than big farms for instance. Big farms operate in a manner intended to reduce labor costs, not generate the largest output. It is why they are sucking up all our farmland--they need it to hide their production inefficiencies. You won't change the world alone, but sourcing your food from the closest supplier instead of from Dole on the Food Lion carts and being willing to pay more for it would be a start.
 
Crovax said:
You haven't answered me at all, what % of a stores jobs should be management type positions for there to be an adequate opportunity to climb the ladder?
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****, i don't know, dude. just give them a chance to work their way out of poverty, and to be good, loyal, and self sufficient workers.
 
Declan said:
"They" have a duty to the stockholders above the employees. Walmart is one of the largest employers in the world behind like the Chinese railroad. If they need a worker, they have them already or will get them in due course. If you want to create jobs, you would be better off saying "Amazon, be more like Walmart and build some stores".
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eh, i think that capitalism is more than just profit or growth. it is the best way to encourage people to work their way up the socioeconomic ladder. it is the only system in which a person can be born into poverty and achieve a good standard of living through hard work. i think that we should encourage that, and at this point, it requires organized labor to make sure that the rungs of the ladder aren't too far apart.
 
Helix said:
eh, i think that capitalism is more than just profit or growth. it is the best way to encourage people to work their way up the socioeconomic ladder. it is the only system in which a person can be born into poverty and achieve a good standard of living through hard work. i think that we should encourage that, and at this point, it requires organized labor to make sure that the rungs of the ladder aren't too far apart.
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Unless you own Walmart stock, you get no say in what Walmart does or does not have as part of its mission. You will help people move up the economic ladder faster by plowing into them with your car and letting them sue you, win, and clean out your insurance company than you will by beating your head against the Walmart brick wall.
 
Helix said:
****, i don't know, dude. just give them a chance to work their way out of poverty, and to be good, loyal, and self sufficient workers.
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That chance already exists, those who arent working their way out have only themselves to blame
 
Declan said:
Unless you own Walmart stock, you get no say in what Walmart does or does not have as part of its mission. You will help people move up the economic ladder faster by plowing into them with your car and letting them sue you, win, and clean out your insurance company than you will by beating your head against the Walmart brick wall.
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well, i guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree. walmart is going to come to a point where they will have to deal with labor organization, and the reason for this will be that they don't give their workers enough opportunities to climb the ladder. if they deal with this by closing stores, then they will be closing a lot of them. it would be much better for them to just raise prices a bit, but i don't think that this is likely. so i guess that they can just deal with the unions that are pretty much inevitable at this point.
 
Crovax said:
That chance already exists, those who arent working their way out have only themselves to blame
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this is oversimplified bull****, and you know it. the problem isn't the laziness of workers. i know, because i live in a town where people work their asses off and get paid **** for it.
 
Helix said:
well, i guess that we'll just have to agree to disagree. walmart is going to come to a point where they will have to deal with labor organization, and the reason for this will be that they don't give their workers enough opportunities to climb the ladder. if they deal with this by closing stores, then they will be closing a lot of them. it would be much better for them to just raise prices a bit, but i don't think that this is likely. so i guess that they can just deal with the unions that are pretty much inevitable at this point.
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Doubtful Walmart will unionize in the retail end of the business. Maybe the warehouse workers at best. Walmart won't shut down stores. They will bankrupt suppliers first.
 
Declan said:
Doubtful Walmart will unionize in the retail end of the business. Maybe the warehouse workers at best. Walmart won't shut down stores. They will bankrupt suppliers first.
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they are really fighting unionization, so it will take a while. they could fight it off completely with very little effort, though.
 
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