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Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

Walmart is not stupid enough to voluntarily make a contract with any union.

Ergo, yes any "strike" is just employees failing to show up to work and yes, that is grounds for termination.
 
I like how the right-wing response to ****ty employers is always "just get a different job!"
 
twixie1 said:
That is quite depressing..a lose..lose situation..
Who are these people..are they American..Mexican or what..
Who allow themselves to be abused in this way?
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please just walk out of your job and see if you are fired. it is a standard company policy everywhere.
 
Helix said:
treat them like cattle enough, and they will unionize. easiest thing in the world to prevent.
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as I said if you don't like the schedule then they can look for something else.
a union isn't going to help their schedule. the company can still set whatever schedule they want.

if they don't want to work it even in a union they can be fired.
 
twixie1 said:
I'm not sure..what is the minimum wage in America?
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Depends on which state you live in. There are some states where cost of living is higher than other states.
 
Deuce said:
I like how the right-wing response to ****ty employers is always "just get a different job!"
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It's sound advice, Deuce. You wouldn't work at mickey D's because of the pay, would you? You would get a different job.
Mickey D's isn't a career job for most of the employees and they know that.
 
Meister said:
You do understand the Walmart does hire people who don't want the full time job for a number of reasons, being mom's or senior citizens, etc. right?
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Particularly with ObamaCare, the government has HUGE penalties against hiring full time employees. This was one way to artificially inflate employment numbers. The blame falls 100% on the government.
 
Deuce said:
I like how the right-wing response to ****ty employers is always "just get a different job!"
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And the leftwing response is to bring in millions more unskilled laborers and make them legal to insure wages remain as low as possible.

The increasing number of unskilled labor including by illegal immigration, combined with the government making it generally required to move jobs out of the USA, has lead to a job shortage of tens of millions. When there are 100 people who apply for 1 job, wages will be low - which is what Democrats really want just as Republicans do.
 
twixie1 said:
People who join ''Unions'' here are seen as militants..
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no kidding. it's amazing how one can defend a corporation selling its product for as much of a profit as possible and then turn around and get defensive / hostile when someone tries to do the same for his or her labor.
 
Meister said:
To be honest, the majority of the people who work at Walmart really aren't that interested in unions. There are a lot of part timers who just don't want to deal with it.
And no matter what the liberals say about Walmart, they do treat their people pretty damn good.
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anecdotal evidence aside, that hasn't really been the case for the people i know who worked there.
 
Meister said:
Wildly irregular schedules? Really? Not when I worked there, they asked what hours I would be available and they scheduled me as such.
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this has been probably ten years ago, so maybe it has changed. this individual had her shift changed regularly and randomly, and was basically on call a lot of the time when she was off. perhaps they've cut that **** out. if so, good for them.
 
joko104 said:
And the leftwing response is to bring in millions more unskilled laborers and make them legal to insure wages remain as low as possible.

The increasing number of unskilled labor including by illegal immigration, combined with the government making it generally required to move jobs out of the USA, has lead to a job shortage of tens of millions. When there are 100 people who apply for 1 job, wages will be low - which is what Democrats really want just as Republicans do.
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I disagree about the immigration issue as that is a supply-demand issue and having low skilled workers will boost the US economy and many of the workers who come in here have been displaced by immigration into Mexico from central america.. I agree that the democratic party will sell out workers as fast as the GOP to corporations, but the solution to the immigration problem would be more economic cooperation with Latin America over Asia. If China actually builds the second canal, it will be more progress toward that than either party has made in a generation or two toward immigration relief.
 
cpwill said:
:raises eyebrow: I was working a pretty insane, irregular schedule involving (sometimes) 54 hour days, and probably making less than them on an hourly basis.

If they are willing to take the money for the job, then it's fair.
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and if they want to organize to sell their labor at a better price / improved working conditions, that's fair, too.
 
Helix said:
anecdotal evidence aside, that hasn't really been the case for the people i know who worked there.
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Not sure where the WM is that you know of where the employees aren't being treated well. A few friends of my oldest son work in WalMarts here (southern NH) and they love it. And they say the people they work with also love it. It reminds me of how the Market Basket employees articulated their working conditions during the summer strike against the possibility of losing their beloved CEO.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not sure where the WM is that you know of where the employees aren't being treated well. A few friends of my oldest son work in WalMarts here (southern NH) and they love it. And they say the people they work with also love it. It reminds me of how the Market Basket employees articulated their working conditions during the summer strike against the possibility of losing their beloved CEO.
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midwest. former industrial area. a few other chains treated workers like that at the time, too, so it wasn't unique to Walmart. working before clocking in, cleaning up after clocking out, haphazard scheduling, etc. seeing it left a bad enough taste in my mouth that i stopped shopping there except when there wasn't anything else around. i'm also not a huge fan of their iron fisted grip on their supply chain, or the fact that when one gets built, you lose a lot of neat downtown shops. finally, they're the nation's largest employer, and they cost the tax payers a lot of money in public assistance for their employees. i hope that working conditions are actually getting better, as some here have argued.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Walmart getting called out on their oppressive labor practices. First judge decision since OUR Walmart was formed. I suspect more decision like this one to come not in Walmart's favor but in favor of the employees.
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For most of those people the alternative to a job at Wal Mart is no job at all.

Unionization results in a loss of jobs. Not a threat, just an economic fact. As the cost of employment goes up employment goes down. So why do you hate these workers so much?

Poor people rely on the cheap goods they can get at Wal Mart. Liberal snobs make fun of the customers you find at Wal Mart because they are poor and therefore poorly dressed and unkempt, uneducated, etc. Unionization will mean those poor people pay more, so why do you hate poor people so much?
 
Helix said:
midwest. former industrial area. a few other chains treated workers like that at the time, too, so it wasn't unique to Walmart. working before clocking in, cleaning up after clocking out, haphazard scheduling, etc. seeing it left a bad enough taste in my mouth that i stopped shopping there except when there wasn't anything else around. i'm also not a huge fan of their iron fisted grip on their supply chain, or the fact that when one gets built, you lose a lot of neat downtown shops. finally, they're the nation's largest employer, and they cost the tax payers a lot of money in public assistance for their employees. i hope that working conditions are actually getting better, as some here have argued.
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the fact that when one gets built, you lose a lot of neat downtown shops.

I feel that way of all the big chains. As soon as a Lowes or Home Depot or Target etc. comes to town, you can kiss the small guy goodbye. But that's business. The only way to prevent it is to do what Vermont did, and keep them out of the state for years. Funny thing is, the citizens of VT and the lawmakers were so proud of the fact that they kept WalMart out for so long. Next thing you know, they allow 4 of them to open - and guess what? They're the busiest damn stores in the entire state. So there's a demand for them.

I only shopped there when I was buying diapers and formula, but that's been a while.
 
Helix said:
no kidding. it's amazing how one can defend a corporation selling its product for as much of a profit as possible and then turn around and get defensive / hostile when someone tries to do the same for his or her labor.
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Which isn't the case with Walmart, they undersell the competition and is why low and middle income people swear by Walmart.
 
Helix said:
and if they want to organize to sell their labor at a better price / improved working conditions, that's fair, too.
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Sure. And if Wal-Mart isn't willing to pay those higher costs for the service, then that is also fair :shrug:.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

Walmart getting called out on their oppressive labor practices. First judge decision since OUR Walmart was formed. I suspect more decision like this one to come not in Walmart's favor but in favor of the employees.
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Just the tip of the iceberg for walmart. Such management thuggery is always illegal.

Mcdonald's sales are slumping too do organizing pressure as well. The stock market recently gave them a "profit notice".
 
Helix said:
and if they want to organize to sell their labor at a better price / improved working conditions, that's fair, too.
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then the company shuts down the store and everyone who had a job there no longer has one.
 
Meister said:
To be honest, the majority of the people who work at Walmart really aren't that interested in unions. There are a lot of part timers who just don't want to deal with it.
And no matter what the liberals say about Walmart, they do treat their people pretty damn good.
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Yep, you can only expect to get out of a job, what you put into it. I'm sure employee treatment is never due to their own actions. :roll:
 
This thread is all about the pro union activists trying to get into Walmart.
Walmart isn't a sweat shop and the management does treat people better than most
union shops. I've worked for both and seen how the union has screwed up the management
of the business. The management in both places I've worked that were union became intolerant
and on numerous occasions decided not to resolve the problem with the employee
but just told the employees to file a grievance. That's been my experience.
 
twixie1 said:
Not talking about ''dept managers'' who I am sure all very nice Americans..talking about the shelf fillers..the people who pull round the trolleys out of the car park...the people who clean the johns..I'd like to now how much they earn a week..
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Try asking them. Just a thought. :roll:
 
Thom Paine said:
:roll::doh

Walmart should close those stores and leave town...

As an employer I retain the authority to dictate employee attire during work periods.
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And allow smaller locally owned businesses to prosper again? We wouldn't want that.
 
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