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Walmart Threatened Workers For Trying To Organize, Judge Rules

HenryChinaski said:
A Wal-Mart employee can get by with a second job, however it's near impossible to take a second job when Walmart changes the employees schedules from week to week, which is a strategic move on Walmart's part. If an employee is working two jobs, adding up to full time hours, that employee doesn't need supplemental welfare and Walmart is no longer a consumer of Taxpayer supported aid. They know exactly what they're doing keeping their employees in the poorhouse.
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Seriously believe that?
Do you partisan much?
 
I disagree with this:

The judge also ordered the company to change its dress code for California employees that restricted employees' ability to wear union shirts.

This meant on the job if you explore it. Yet it is WalMart's policy to not allow any clothing or pins of any kind with political or ideological slogans. I think an employer can set a dress code that excludes controversy and non-business promotion.

Could managers where anti-union clothing and buttons? Could employees?

If this applies to WalMart, it applies to anything political and economic - thus employees could wear shirts saying homosexuals are going to hell, vote Republican, the Pope is the Anti-Christ, Eliminate Israel or anything else.
 
Meister said:
Seriously believe that?
Do you partisan much?
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They take out insurance policies on their employees. Can you imagine a more evil way to make money?

Pay your employees **** and make them work ****ty hours - many will not be able to afford or get insurance. These employees will, of course, be higher risk of death due to poor standards of living and lack of health care. Employee dies, you collect, everyone wins. Except the employee.
 
Meister said:
For myself and having worked there, it was an entirely different experience.
Walmart hires a lot of people in the areas where they open stores and willingly open stores that are in depressed areas.
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The few people I've known who work for WalMart had no complaints - and it seemed like most felt their alternative potential employment and previous employment was worse. Employment isn't in isolation, but rather relative to the alternatives for employment. Who we hear complaining are people who work for Dollar General.
 
whysoserious said:
They take out insurance policies on their employees. Can you imagine a more evil way to make money?

Pay your employees **** and make them work ****ty hours - many will not be able to afford or get insurance. These employees will, of course, be higher risk of death due to poor standards of living and lack of health care. Employee dies, you collect, everyone wins. Except the employee.
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The insurance policy thing really sucks and should be outlawed.
 
whysoserious said:
They take out insurance policies on their employees. Can you imagine a more evil way to make money?

Pay your employees **** and make them work ****ty hours - many will not be able to afford or get insurance. These employees will, of course, be higher risk of death due to poor standards of living and lack of health care. Employee dies, you collect, everyone wins. Except the employee.
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Step out of the echo chamber and look at reality.
The average pay is well above the minimum wage.
Do they still take out policies to this day, or do you know and if not, when was the last time it was practiced?
I know they didn't have a policy on me.

But, back to the post to what I responded to.....nice deflection.
 
Helix said:
they also have the freedom to organize in order to sell their labor at a better price.
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Absolutely. However, the company has a right to refuse to pay what is demanded and replace those employees who will not work at the wage being offered. Most employees don't understand that if they go on strike, they can be permanently replaced - unless there already is a contract says otherwise. The company also can close the location and open an alternative location.
 
Meister said:
Step out of the echo chamber and look at reality.
The average pay is well above the minimum wage.
Do they still take out policies to this day, or do you know and if not, when was the last time it was practiced?
I know they didn't have a policy on me.

But, back to the post to what I responded to.....nice deflection.
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How do you know they didn't have a policy on you? They don't have to tell you ****. Their claim of indemnity on you is that you are an employee who is trained and valuable to them, so when you die, they are indemnified with money. The only thing you have to do with it is whether you work for them and have a pulse.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/walmart-salary_n_4151131.html
Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year

^^ That's all I need to know regarding pay.
 
whysoserious said:
How do you know they didn't have a policy on you? They don't have to tell you ****. Their claim of indemnity on you is that you are an employee who is trained and valuable to them, so when you die, they are indemnified with money. The only thing you have to do with it is whether you work for them and have a pulse.

Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year
Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year

^^ That's all I need to know regarding pay.
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How do I know????? You asked, "how do I know?"
I just did some research on it, something you should have done. That's how I know.
 
Meister said:
How do I know????? You asked, "how do I know?"
I just did some research on it, something you should have done. That's how I know.
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Fair enough. It appears they quit doing it after a class action lawsuit.

I still think Walmart is a ****ty company.
 
whysoserious said:
How do you know they didn't have a policy on you? They don't have to tell you ****. Their claim of indemnity on you is that you are an employee who is trained and valuable to them, so when you die, they are indemnified with money. The only thing you have to do with it is whether you work for them and have a pulse.

Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year
Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year

^^ That's all I need to know regarding pay.
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That seems right.

Most employees are not full time.
 
Meister said:
Seriously believe that?
Do you partisan much?
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It is absolutely true. Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an about $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing. Each worker on the dole is collecting about $5800 in public aid. Taxpayers shouldn't be supplementing the salaries of these part time workers at large profitable companies. And there is something wrong with seeing the checkout girl finish her shift, then pull out her LINK card for grocery shopping. If Walmart provided consistent and regular schedules, then their workers could find second jobs to supplement their incomes, not needing welfare.
 
joko104 said:
Absolutely. However, the company has a right to refuse to pay what is demanded and replace those employees who will not work at the wage being offered. Most employees don't understand that if they go on strike, they can be permanently replaced - unless there already is a contract says otherwise. The company also can close the location and open an alternative location.
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i know that it's satisfying for some to be knee jerk anti-organized labor, but this is the labor dynamic that your kids will be navigating. while you might already be established and have a secure job, the odds are increasingly stacked against them.

there's a balance. at one point in the 20th century, unions probably did have way too much pull. the pendulum is seriously swinging the other way right now, though, and we're at the point where a bit more labor organization is necessary to prevent people from being treated like toilet paper by their employers. as with most issues, there's a ton of nuance here.
 
HenryChinaski said:
It is absolutely true. Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an about $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing. Each worker on the dole is collecting about $5800 in public aid. Taxpayers shouldn't be supplementing the salaries of these part time workers at large profitable companies. And there is something wrong with seeing the checkout girl finish her shift, then pull out her LINK card for grocery shopping. If Walmart provided consistent and regular schedules, then their workers could find second jobs to supplement their incomes, not needing welfare.
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You do understand the Walmart does hire people who don't want the full time job for a number of reasons, being mom's or senior citizens, etc. right?
 
whysoserious said:
Fair enough. It appears they quit doing it after a class action lawsuit.

I still think Walmart is a ****ty company.
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Think what you want, my opinion is just different than yours....and I worked for them
 
HenryChinaski said:
It is absolutely true. Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an about $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing. Each worker on the dole is collecting about $5800 in public aid. Taxpayers shouldn't be supplementing the salaries of these part time workers at large profitable companies. And there is something wrong with seeing the checkout girl finish her shift, then pull out her LINK card for grocery shopping. If Walmart provided consistent and regular schedules, then their workers could find second jobs to supplement their incomes, not needing welfare.
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Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.

Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.

“The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs,” reads the report.
Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance - Forbes

I imagine that there might just be some bias to your premise.

But back to my response of your post....this is what I was responding to:

HenryChinaski said:
They know exactly what they're doing keeping their employees in the poorhouse.
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This isn't their intent, and for various reasons a large number of their employees want to stay part time.
 
Helix said:
i was a member of UAW for sixty days about fifteen years ago. then the warehouse fired a bunch of us on the last day of our probationary period and brought in temps. union tried to fight it; there was nothing they could do, though.



if i were to organize Walmart workers, my demands wouldn't include base pay. i'd ask for better control over schedules and more opportunity for promotion and raises.
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You are always at your employer's discretion for schedule. I have to work sometimes at 3 am by phone because one of my staff needs a call with customers overseas. I don't like it, but if I choose to remain employed, I have to do it. If the WalMart employees want to pick their own schedules all the time, they should consider another line of work, or open up their own competing business.
 
whysoserious said:
They take out insurance policies on their employees. Can you imagine a more evil way to make money?

Pay your employees **** and make them work ****ty hours - many will not be able to afford or get insurance. These employees will, of course, be higher risk of death due to poor standards of living and lack of health care. Employee dies, you collect, everyone wins. Except the employee.
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Not since 1995 have they done that - almost 20 years ago. And the outstanding policies were all cancelled in 2000.

Hillary Clinton was on the board at WalMart when they were doing this. Take it up with her and find out why the Board allowed it.
 
Meister said:
Step out of the echo chamber and look at reality.
The average pay is well above the minimum wage.
Do they still take out policies to this day, or do you know and if not, when was the last time it was practiced?
I know they didn't have a policy on me.

But, back to the post to what I responded to.....nice deflection.
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I will say that the average pay at walmart is heavily skewed by people who have worked there way to long.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not since 1995 have they done that - almost 20 years ago. And the outstanding policies were all cancelled in 2000.

Hillary Clinton was on the board at WalMart when they were doing this. Take it up with her and find out why the Board allowed it.
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I thought you weren't going to converse with me because I called you out on the torture thread. I was rather looking forward to that.
 
Crovax said:
I will say that the average pay at walmart is heavily skewed by people who have worked there way to long.
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Maybe they have no other hope..lack education..or are generally unwelcome in America??

You can always kick people when they are down..
 
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