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How do you know that?
The Bible is a book written by bronze aged men, with immorality filling the pages. That book should in no way be a guide to any moral values. It is the antithesis of morality.
You've GOT to be joking. On this forum it is generally LIBERALS who have supported Putin's Nationalism and expansionism. Most conservatives have suggested instead kicking Putin's ass.
You're completely missing the point. My claim isn't based on studies (that no one has really conducted) looking at religious vs. non-religious families and upbringing. My claim is based on the Bible which is the word of God.
Just stop, I'm not going to respond again to your ignorant claims that I somehow support or have said that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to adopt or raise kids. For the 3rd or 4th time (I've lost count) I'll restate that with the above sentence, and that's the last time. If you want to continue pushing that I'm somehow advocating that gays, lesbians, secular or any other type of family unit shouldn't raise kids then you're just misrepresenting my view because it's convenient for you to do so with petty attacks.
Nah, it's not a lie and it's what the word of God says.
You're the one that made the initial claim that there is no "pro-life" position, I merely refuted your illogical way of misrepresenting an issue to fit your ideology. I disappear from threads usually because I get busy or because people that refuse to debate rationally and just continue on with their arrogant misrepresentations aren't worth dealing with anymore :shurg: But let's not make things personal.
Right now abortion is a reproductive right, just like slave ownership was a right before the lives of slaves were recognized. The law doesn't dictate right and wrong and it doesn't make the pro-life argument illegitimate anymore than the anti-slavery argument was legitimate during times when slavery was legal. Heck, if law determines right and wrong then one can concede to the logical fallacy that up until court decision on gay marriage that gays simply didn't have the right to wed because the law didn't recognize it (and in some states still doesn't). Humans make errors, rights can be given in error and in some cases throughout history humanity needed to correct itself just like with the reversal of slavery or the denial of gays to wed and in the case of wrongfully allowing people to kill the unborn for elective, non-medically necessary reasons because the law doesn't value that life. You can continue to make accusations of straw mans, bash faith, ignore the concept of spiritual truth or just discuss me as a person or poster but if that's where the debate is headed I'm just going to stop. I've said my peace already.
I know it through validated prophecy, the ongoing works of the Holy Spirit of which I have definitive proof in my own life and seen in the lives of others and the fact that God, as an absolute being, does not lie about His word or allow for other things contradictory to what he says as being true. Humans can reject that as much as they want or go down kicking and screaming claiming the contrary, but it doesn't make the truth any less true and the truth isn't based on their flawed methods of thinking or personal selfishness in forming an ideology comfortable for and not based on truth.
The Bible is a compilation of works written by men as inspired and dictated by God's Holy Spirit. It's not simply the writing of bronze aged men, it's the words of God as given to those men and inspired by God's spirit. They are God's truths that he has given down to us through them and sometimes by himself where he directly commands people who copied as he has said (like with the 10 commandments or the words of Jesus, God himself). The antithesis of morality is the human sinful nature that naturally rejects or attacks God's truth.
I know it through validated prophecy, the ongoing works of the Holy Spirit of which I have definitive proof in my own life and seen in the lives of others and the fact that God, as an absolute being, does not lie about His word or allow for other things contradictory to what he says as being true. Humans can reject that as much as they want or go down kicking and screaming claiming the contrary, but it doesn't make the truth any less true and the truth isn't based on their flawed methods of thinking or personal selfishness in forming an ideology comfortable for and not based on truth.
The Bible is a compilation of works written by men as inspired and dictated by God's Holy Spirit. It's not simply the writing of bronze aged men, it's the words of God as given to those men and inspired by God's spirit. They are God's truths that he has given down to us through them and sometimes by himself where he directly commands people who copied as he has said (like with the 10 commandments or the words of Jesus, God himself). The antithesis of morality is the human sinful nature that naturally rejects or attacks God's truth.
So you have no proof; all you have is faith and what you were taught. I'm sorry, but faith is the enemy.
No, it's not. See, that was easy.
No offense, but this is why arguing with the devout is impossible. That book is "the truth," period, end of discussion.
The Bible does have some good in it. However, the immorality in it, the anti-gay stuff, the anti-women stuff, the pro-slavery stance, etc, just condemns the book as something that should be ignored by modern societies.
The Bible does have some good in it. However, the immorality in it, the anti-gay stuff, the anti-women stuff, the pro-slavery stance, etc, just condemns the book as something that should be ignored by modern societies.
Sure, the love-thy-neighbor stuff is nice (would be even better if more of our alleged Christians actually practiced it), but for the most part it's Bronze Age superstition being passed off as the incontrovertible word of some magical sky being who will condemn you to eternal suffering if you don't sufficiently worship him or if you go against his often contradictory orders ... but he loves you.
Depends on how you define "best." The best home is a loving mother and father who raise their kids according to God's principals, by definition a gay couple living together are going against God's principals. Just because homosexuals can raise kids and not have them be screwed up doesn't mean it's the best option. I'm not against homosexuals raising kids or adopting, but it's not the best option.
How do you feel about the Quran
I'm not as familiar with it, but the same anti-gay, anti-women stuff, I don't know about the slavery issue, is in it, and it is as equally commendably.
I'm very conservative in the terms of economics, and retaining the constitution. That being said you have to understand Putin is being bullied by the west and being provoked into a new Cold War.
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Now Putin isn't the best leader or even someone I as a conservative admire, I think his policies are less libertarian then what I like, then again I don't know too much about his policies. However, I do know that we as the west are bullying Putin and we should be more concerned with ourselves then financing an overthrow of Ukraine to create a bigger e.u. In order to rectify sanctions of a sovereign nation with nuclear capabilities
Eh... so you don't know what his policies are... but you know we're bullying him?
321K jobs added ... Dow Jones almost at 18K...
It's almost like you make it up as you go. The Russian ruble going down would only make the AK47 a more attractive choice if it wasn't produced in about... oh I don't know.... the 20 other countries that have made its value drop for decades. Secondly, you shucked and jived so much I almost forgot you didn't answer my question. Putin is so good at his geopolitical game that he's managed to cripple the Russian economy, cut the rubles value by half, and made investors flee from the country. That's the geopolitics game Obama should be afraid of? Get serious.
Sure, the love-thy-neighbor stuff is nice (would be even better if more of our alleged Christians actually practiced it), but for the most part it's Bronze Age superstition being passed off as the incontrovertible word of some magical sky being who will condemn you to eternal suffering if you don't sufficiently worship him or if you go against his often contradictory orders ... but he loves you.
I'm more concerned why there hasn't been a full recovery of our economy after almost six years under the Obama administration and everyone forgets that the "Feds" have been propping up Obama's economy since day one ? Whats going to happen when the "Feds" stop propping up Wall Street ?
I'm pretty sure that the "Feds" will stop propping up America's economy around early 2017.
As for the Russian ruble. Not good for the civilized Western world when the Russian ruble is weak. The weapon of choice by the bad guys in the world are the Russian AK's and 7.62X39 mm ammunition. I weak Russian ruble means the bad guys can buy more AK's and ammunition for less money. It's how it works in the geopolitical game.
Pay close attention to OPEC and especially Saudi Arbabia. They been playing both sides, always have going back to the 1970's.
Greetings, APACHERAT. :2wave:
I read somewhere recently that Russia is getting rid of US dollars. My question is why? Several possibilities came to mind, none of them pleasant. Anyone have any info on this?
I've heard the same scuttlebutt.
The best home is a loving mother and father who raise their kids according to God's principals, by definition a gay couple living together are going against God's principals. Just because homosexuals can raise kids and not have them be screwed up doesn't mean it's the best option.
The document and spreadsheet is all right there....