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Man Who Filmed Cop Choking Eric Garner Was Indicted (Video).....

No, but my world says that their use of force induced the heart attack since, you know, their use of force induced a heart attack.
Decades of fatty foods and no exercise induced the heart attack. Resisting arrest induced the heart attack. Funny how when you are doing illegal acts, sometimes law enforcement gets called and you dont get to just tell them to leave you alone. You would have thought he would have figured that out during any one of his prior 30 arrests.
 
No the choking gave rise to an asthma attack..probably due to the adrenalin going on..

He was murdered by your big fat white cops!!
He was 'murdered' by his big fat ass. All of the things happened are a natural consequence of committing criminal acts and then resisting the police response.
 
He was 'murdered' by his big fat ass. All of the things happened are a natural consequence of committing criminal acts and then resisting the police response.
No their natural responses of someone being choked. He could have had a defect in his heart that caused the attack too even if he was not so big.

Even if he was resisting their was non need to choke him. Cops are trained in how to restrain people without hurting them, although they almost never employee these tactics.
 
He was 'murdered' by his big fat ass. All of the things happened are a natural consequence of committing criminal acts and then resisting the police response.

I don't see how ''a fat ass'' or being choked to death have any comparison..
 
I don't see how ''a fat ass'' or being choked to death have any comparison..
He died of a heart attack from a heart attack caused by being choked.

Basically the police induced a heart attack, that's why these numbskulls are saying these silly things...
 
Decades of fatty foods and no exercise induced the heart attack. Resisting arrest induced the heart attack. Funny how when you are doing illegal acts, sometimes law enforcement gets called and you dont get to just tell them to leave you alone. You would have thought he would have figured that out during any one of his prior 30 arrests.

Note: He was never charged with a crime or officially arrested, during this incident.
 
I call em like I see em cops act like pigs and lobby for illegal laws that give em more money and power. Pig is a very fitting term for that. And that's not to mention the way they defend each others illegal and immoral actions.

Cops are pigs

If you support pigs you are.

Capitalism is really at the root of this

If your a supporter of pigs you should be fined or jailed.

When the revolution comes we will see to it that all answer for their crimes.

Yes cops are people for the most part terrible, immoral people, like you seem to be. I have seen your posts elsewhere....

America and the world are run by oligarchs and the military industrial complex. Pigs protect the whole shebang. It certainly is a conspiracy, just not the one your thinking.

I like how you claim that my argument was a strawman then turn around and confirm everything that I presented.
 
I like how you claim that my argument was a strawman then turn around and confirm everything that I presented.
I didn't confirm anything. I pointed out the multiple things you claim I said I did not, and reasserted the things I did...

Nice try though.

Aren't you the same guy that tried to tell me that environmentalism was driving up oil stock prices (a hilariously flawed notion according to Forbes and the rest of reputable sources)
 
Note: He was never charged with a crime or officially arrested, during this incident.

They were trying to arrest him, but he wouldnt let them. Hence why they needed to subdue the man. Then the guy died they cant charge him with a crime after he's dead.
 
I didn't confirm anything. I pointed out the multiple things you claim I said I did not, and reasserted the things I did...

Nice try though.
yet you confirmed it in your next post. Funny.

Aren't you the same guy that tried to tell me that environmentalism was driving up oil stock prices (a hilariously flawed notion according to Forbes and the rest of reputable sources)

That was not me.
 
They were trying to arrest him, but he wouldnt let them. Hence why they needed to subdue the man. Then the guy died they cant charge him with a crime after he's dead.

So they were trying to arrest him. Even though there is no crime charged in this instance. And he was never officially arrested.... that makes no sense.
 
Note: He was never charged with a crime or officially arrested, during this incident.
........yet. the heart attack kinda hindered that process.
 
Decades of fatty foods and no exercise induced the heart attack. Resisting arrest induced the heart attack. Funny how when you are doing illegal acts, sometimes law enforcement gets called and you dont get to just tell them to leave you alone. You would have thought he would have figured that out during any one of his prior 30 arrests.

Funny how I don't think that simple crimes should result in death or excuse any amount of force used against the individual. Oh wait....restricted and restrained government force was one of the founding principles of the Republic.

They never even had proof that's what he was doing on that day, never informed him he was under arrest. There were lots of suspect things in this case and with incidents of death by cop on the rise, it's reasonable to demand restraint and proper threat assessment.
 
........yet. the heart attack kinda hindered that process.

Why wasnt he givin medical treatment immediately? Esp if it was never proven he commited a crime in this instance and he was never officially arrested?
 
Funny how I don't think that simple crimes should result in death or excuse any amount of force used against the individual. Oh wait....restricted and restrained government force was one of the founding principles of the Republic.

They never even had proof that's what he was doing on that day, never informed him he was under arrest. There were lots of suspect things in this case and with incidents of death by cop on the rise, it's reasonable to demand restraint and proper threat assessment.
Simple crimes shouldnt result in death and wouldnt if the perpetrator of said crime didnt have a heart attack.
 
Why wasnt he givin medical treatment immediately? Esp if it was never proven he commited a crime in this instance and he was never officially arrested?
A legit question...take THAT question up with EMTs. Now MAYBE the fact that his heart was still beating and he was still breathing had something to do with it. He didnt go into full arrest til a full hour later. Its not like they can give CPR in that situation. But it IS a legit question.
 
I most certainly did not. Your painting yet another straw man.

Sorry you had very similar avatars.

I dont think that you understand exactly what the strawman fallacy is.

Hilarious propaganda. You have never talked to a off duty pig, or you are a pig....

Those that support pigs are authoritarian scumbags who also want to inflict their will and morality on everybody else.

In post #263 (a response to your post above)

I noted that you generalize all law enforcement as 'pigs'. Since law enforcement are human you have attacked a great deal of people by making such a broad insult.
And clearly you said so. At the same time while you are throwing this insult out you are asserting that anyone who doesnt believe that law enforcement are pigs are insulted as well.
You also accused law enforcement and everyone that supports law enforcement of supporting a authoritarian government. Authoritarian governments are also called dictatorships. being pissed that I used a descriptive word that you did not use to describe the same exact things is silly.

Pointing at cops and calling them ALL "pigs" and that they work only for the rich and powerful, while ignoring that cops are actually just normal people is by every definition propaganda.
Law enforcement are not at all what you have described them to be. ANd that is what I pointed out, there wasnt any strawman fallacy in my post. And seriously alling people names and lying is a poor argument and was why I felt it necessary to point out that your argument failed.

ANd be real no one has a Avatar like mine. lol

 
So they were trying to arrest him. Even though there is no crime charged in this instance. And he was never officially arrested.... that makes no sense.

Getting arrested isnt the same as being charged with a crime. You get arrested first then later the prosecutor charges the suspect with a crime. Unless of course there was a arrest warrant in the first place. For example I was arrested once because the cop suspected that I was involved in a crime. No charges though were ever filed against me.

The reason that the cops were talking to this guy is because it was reported that he was selling cigarettes. The officers had every right to arrest the man. But the man refused to comply, repeatedly in the video. The cops warned him also repeatedly to comply yet he still refused and only became further agitated.

But you should lay blame where it should laid. EMTs and paramedics who responded to Eric Garner have been suspended without pay by hospital | SILive.com

"The decision was made after video surfaced showing one of the responding EMTs - identified in the New York Post as Nicole Palmeri - taking Garner's pulse but apparently doing little else for about two minutes before Garner is hoisted onto a stretcher."
 
I dont think that you understand exactly what the strawman fallacy is.



In post #263 (a response to your post above)

I noted that you generalize all law enforcement as 'pigs'. Since law enforcement are human you have attacked a great deal of people by making such a broad insult.
And clearly you said so. At the same time while you are throwing this insult out you are asserting that anyone who doesnt believe that law enforcement are pigs are insulted as well.
You also accused law enforcement and everyone that supports law enforcement of supporting a authoritarian government. Authoritarian governments are also called dictatorships. being pissed that I used a descriptive word that you did not use to describe the same exact things is silly.

Pointing at cops and calling them ALL "pigs" and that they work only for the rich and powerful, while ignoring that cops are actually just normal people is by every definition propaganda.
Law enforcement are not at all what you have described them to be. ANd that is what I pointed out, there wasnt any strawman fallacy in my post. And seriously alling people names and lying is a poor argument and was why I felt it necessary to point out that your argument failed.

ANd be real no one has a Avatar like mine. lol



I understand what a straw man is fine. Your denial of making multiple ones is irrelevant. You set up multiple sham arguments in your statement, thus making them "straw men"

Its not a insult, its a apt name. They are not cop. They do not act like cops. They act like pigs, they enforce unconstitutional laws, have the power to acquit themselves in court, they almost all abuse their power regularly, when they do they defend each other unjustly and with a religious fervent, and the fop endorses this mentality and supports it. They think they are better then everybody else.

Why would anyone who incorrectly believes this be insulted as well? I never asserted anything of the sort. I smell more straw.

They do support a authoritarian government. America is a authoritarian government. Up until the civil rights movement it was racial authoritarianism, (and to some extent still is) it was and is corporatist authoritarian as well.

No dictatorships are totalitarian governments. Totalitarianism is a form of authoritarianism, but authoritarianism is a broad word that encompasses multiple things.

I have no idea why you think I'm pissed for you using a descriptive word. More straw?

No its not its fact. They protect unjust earnings of the rich, and oppress the working and lower classes, the rich have the money to buy their way out of legal situations, the poor do not, and are MUCH more likely to be victimized by police.

Their were a plethora of strawmen in your argument, and you continue to make them now.

I did not lie once. I don't know what "alling" is, but all pigs are at least complicit, and most are corrupt. They are complicit for being members or fop.

My arguments fine, your is full of conjecture and shows your general ignorance of the topic nationwide.

No it was another brightly colorful avatar that looked similar. It was months ago, forgive me if I don't memorize peoples avatars on here.
 
"People who believe police officers are mean, vengeful, angry, bitter racists, are seeing a reflection of themselves.

Those who see them as helpful, positive, respectful, and protecting are also seeing their own reflection."
Hilarious propaganda. You have never talked to a off duty pig, or you are a pig....

Those that support pigs are authoritarian scumbags who also want to inflict their will and morality on everybody else.
You do realize, don't you that you are a extraordinarily hateful person, don't you? I cannot take you seriously. You are a parody of yourself.
 
I don't see how ''a fat ass'' or being choked to death have any comparison..
One of them has actual relative bearing on his death (cardiac arrest brought on by physical exertion and morbid obesity) and the other did not.
 
Re: Maybe the pigs were pets

"Obviously what isn't a local issue?"
Pigs attacking people for no reason or greatly abusing their power and KILLING people for very minor infractions, or no reason at all.
Even if true how would that make it something beyond a local issue? Where are all those pigs coming from? I wonder how close the nearest pig farm is from where Garner died. I wonder how those pigs got there? It had to have been a long walk.

Maybe they were pets:

 
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